Marco
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I'm getting this one put on a t-shirt.
I'm getting this one put on a t-shirt.
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Empty Holster at El Camino Community College
- Thread starter VigilanceOfFreedom
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cato
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I got beat to the punch:lol:...
I got beat to the punch:lol:...
cato
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cato
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VigilanceOfFreedom wrote:
VigilanceOfFreedom wrote:
As an adult at a college, not all that (626) applies to you at a collage. Just be aware of how vast the laws are and try to be aware of them. Example; an adult visiting ak-12 schoolwith a pocket knife is breaking the law.
VigilanceOfFreedom
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Sorry, accidental double post.
Sorry, accidental double post.
VigilanceOfFreedom
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An art show is a good idea. I'm able to print some decent 8.5x11 color pictures cheaply since I work at a UPS Store. I'll most likely have to apply to the school to set up an official exhibition. But for now, due to the recent attempted sexual assaults on campus, a bunch of bs fliers have been put up about "sexual assault awareness." I was thinking about borrowing some of Oleg's artwork and creating a poster advertising "sexual assault prevention" if you know what I mean. I plan to add a-human-right.com, opencarry.org, and concealedcampus.org on the flier as well. If any of you have time to play with photoshop, let's see what you got.
On the note of empty holster on campus today, I met an officer in training for the Torrance PD after my boxing class. At first I didn't know he was an officer; I handed him a flier and proceeded to tell him that open carry was legal. The then told me he was aware of the laws and that he was an officer in training and that he agrees with civilian open carry, saying "you should do it man." I'm getting hyped up about open carry now! Almost ready to pop my cherry....
As a preamble to my carry, I sent my gun registration certified mail just a few hours ago, about how long does it take for the information to be recorded? I don't want be detained with an unregistered pistol, though I do plan to carry the return receipt around with me.
I also sent a letter regarding my intention to open carry in the south bay area as well as copies of the fliers by Mudcamper and Decoligny and my contact information, to the El Segundo PD, LAPD, and LA Sheriff's Department. I'll let you know when I receive their replies.
Carry safely and goodnight.
An art show is a good idea. I'm able to print some decent 8.5x11 color pictures cheaply since I work at a UPS Store. I'll most likely have to apply to the school to set up an official exhibition. But for now, due to the recent attempted sexual assaults on campus, a bunch of bs fliers have been put up about "sexual assault awareness." I was thinking about borrowing some of Oleg's artwork and creating a poster advertising "sexual assault prevention" if you know what I mean. I plan to add a-human-right.com, opencarry.org, and concealedcampus.org on the flier as well. If any of you have time to play with photoshop, let's see what you got.
On the note of empty holster on campus today, I met an officer in training for the Torrance PD after my boxing class. At first I didn't know he was an officer; I handed him a flier and proceeded to tell him that open carry was legal. The then told me he was aware of the laws and that he was an officer in training and that he agrees with civilian open carry, saying "you should do it man." I'm getting hyped up about open carry now! Almost ready to pop my cherry....
As a preamble to my carry, I sent my gun registration certified mail just a few hours ago, about how long does it take for the information to be recorded? I don't want be detained with an unregistered pistol, though I do plan to carry the return receipt around with me.
I also sent a letter regarding my intention to open carry in the south bay area as well as copies of the fliers by Mudcamper and Decoligny and my contact information, to the El Segundo PD, LAPD, and LA Sheriff's Department. I'll let you know when I receive their replies.
Carry safely and goodnight.
Theseus
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Although I commend your enthusiasm, I would not tell LE of my intent to OC any more than I would warn DMV I intended to drive. It is none of their business and it will not protect you in any way.
I am pretty decent with photoshop, but can not speak on behalf or or give permission to use the opencarry.org name. When I get back we should get together for dinner and discuss plans. I am also putting together an organization that is designed to collect funds and lobby for stronger OC rights. Other than this forum no one else really supports OC in Cali.
Although I commend your enthusiasm, I would not tell LE of my intent to OC any more than I would warn DMV I intended to drive. It is none of their business and it will not protect you in any way.
I am pretty decent with photoshop, but can not speak on behalf or or give permission to use the opencarry.org name. When I get back we should get together for dinner and discuss plans. I am also putting together an organization that is designed to collect funds and lobby for stronger OC rights. Other than this forum no one else really supports OC in Cali.
CA_Libertarian
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Theseus wrote:
Theseus wrote:
Cal Guns Foundation and Madison Society offer moral support to our cause, but we need some financial/legal support. I think we should get such an organization together, but I also think it should be nation-wide. We have a very limited number of people involved in CA open carry. If we could get everybody else in the nation involved, we could start attacking state laws state-by-state. Hell, we could maybe even push litigation to make carry laws uniform across the US.
Theseus
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CA_Libertarian wrote:
That is to say, I don't wish to start a legal lobbying leg without the support of an activist leg...if you know what I mean. I don't wish to take away anything from such great orgs as Madison CalGuns or OpenCarry.
Lets try to sit down sometime and hammer out what we might be able to get done... ie. bylaws, rules, goals, etc.
CA_Libertarian wrote:
I might be interested in a national effort, but only if it was as a connection with a grassroots deal like OpenCarry.org.
That is to say, I don't wish to start a legal lobbying leg without the support of an activist leg...if you know what I mean. I don't wish to take away anything from such great orgs as Madison CalGuns or OpenCarry.
Lets try to sit down sometime and hammer out what we might be able to get done... ie. bylaws, rules, goals, etc.
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The numbers don't yet call for it IMO. I say work with and effect a constituency within Calguns Foundation and NRA. The NRA, for all it's faults, really wants people involved at the member council level. They need an infusion of young blood and activism. I think the OC and CC movements UNITED in Ca. IS that activism.
Right now we're too spread out. But I see that changing soon as numbers balloon.
But I'll still join any specific OC group which forms, no matter how small,as I don't see CGF or NRA at this time releasing the kind of press releases and promoting gatherings,in the fashion ofVCDL, which I'd like to see.
The numbers don't yet call for it IMO. I say work with and effect a constituency within Calguns Foundation and NRA. The NRA, for all it's faults, really wants people involved at the member council level. They need an infusion of young blood and activism. I think the OC and CC movements UNITED in Ca. IS that activism.
Right now we're too spread out. But I see that changing soon as numbers balloon.
But I'll still join any specific OC group which forms, no matter how small,as I don't see CGF or NRA at this time releasing the kind of press releases and promoting gatherings,in the fashion ofVCDL, which I'd like to see.
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Theseus wrote:
It actually does sever a public relations purpose with those who have the power to ruin your dayand goes along waytoward explaining the "why" of OC. It is better to receive such a letter from a local citizen IMO then to have their only exposure to OC come from the "Sac. Terrorism" office or from their Dept.'sfirst call of "there is a guy in here with a gun on his belt and I don't see a badge".
And it may very well protect him as he has put them on notice officially and asked them to inform him if they are of a different opinion. They have no excuse nowif those under their command exceed their lawful authority.
I think such letters should be sent to all LE agencies. I'd prefer one which was written by an attorney with proof of service documented, however.
Theseus wrote:
It actually does sever a public relations purpose with those who have the power to ruin your dayand goes along waytoward explaining the "why" of OC. It is better to receive such a letter from a local citizen IMO then to have their only exposure to OC come from the "Sac. Terrorism" office or from their Dept.'sfirst call of "there is a guy in here with a gun on his belt and I don't see a badge".
And it may very well protect him as he has put them on notice officially and asked them to inform him if they are of a different opinion. They have no excuse nowif those under their command exceed their lawful authority.
I think such letters should be sent to all LE agencies. I'd prefer one which was written by an attorney with proof of service documented, however.
VigilanceOfFreedom
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Yes, I would definitely enjoy the help of an attorney, but alas, I'm a poor college student working at $9 an hour.
I do agree that it is no business of the police to know when we are carrying, I haven't seen any open carriers here at all... which is very discouraging, but the few officers I have spoken too agree we have, or that we should have a right to carry, yet only one trainee understood the open carry laws in California. Right now, as crazy as it seems, I feel we need to loose a bit of our own freedom and privacy in order to push the open carry movement through without incidents.
But again at school today, I got a lot of positive comments from my fellow students, with a few exceptions who believed open carry is weird or, unloaded open carry was useless to which I would simply counter, "So, because we have very limited rights, we should not exercise them at all?" The calls we have to worry about are the psychotic socialist that I see coming into the store where I work every day ranting and raving about how great obama is... I have to rush to the bathroom to puke if a bad one comes in. Those anti-freedom control freaks will call me in in a heartbeat for just wearing my gun at my waist and being polite.
But I digress... we'll soon see how much my letter will help me when they reply!
BTW CA_Libertarian and Leagueof1607, perhaps we can get some backing from the NRA. With so few gun rights movements in California, they may take interest in our cause. Perhaps we should contact them. A good central leadership in California would greatly help our cause.
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Yes, I would definitely enjoy the help of an attorney, but alas, I'm a poor college student working at $9 an hour.
I do agree that it is no business of the police to know when we are carrying, I haven't seen any open carriers here at all... which is very discouraging, but the few officers I have spoken too agree we have, or that we should have a right to carry, yet only one trainee understood the open carry laws in California. Right now, as crazy as it seems, I feel we need to loose a bit of our own freedom and privacy in order to push the open carry movement through without incidents.
But again at school today, I got a lot of positive comments from my fellow students, with a few exceptions who believed open carry is weird or, unloaded open carry was useless to which I would simply counter, "So, because we have very limited rights, we should not exercise them at all?" The calls we have to worry about are the psychotic socialist that I see coming into the store where I work every day ranting and raving about how great obama is... I have to rush to the bathroom to puke if a bad one comes in. Those anti-freedom control freaks will call me in in a heartbeat for just wearing my gun at my waist and being polite.
But I digress... we'll soon see how much my letter will help me when they reply!
BTW CA_Libertarian and Leagueof1607, perhaps we can get some backing from the NRA. With so few gun rights movements in California, they may take interest in our cause. Perhaps we should contact them. A good central leadership in California would greatly help our cause.
*edited for clarity*
Theseus
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I hope you are right, but I don't see the letter helping in any way.
Now, I would like the help of NRA, better yet for them to do it all...but in reality they have made it clear (IIRC) that they have no intention supporting OC until incorporation. They feel they have bigger fish to fry, and admittedly they do.
this is why I feel it is more important for use to form on our own those with the willingness and desire to do something.
As my father said....if you can't do it all at once, do what you can consistently, and you will find yourself closer than if you had waited until you could do it all at once.
I would like to get together and see what motivation we have and what we can put together. If we feel that we have enough to start something, then lets do it.
I will say thought that I may not be the most qualified candidate to do this, but if I am the only one...I am prepared to do what I can.
I hope you are right, but I don't see the letter helping in any way.
Now, I would like the help of NRA, better yet for them to do it all...but in reality they have made it clear (IIRC) that they have no intention supporting OC until incorporation. They feel they have bigger fish to fry, and admittedly they do.
this is why I feel it is more important for use to form on our own those with the willingness and desire to do something.
As my father said....if you can't do it all at once, do what you can consistently, and you will find yourself closer than if you had waited until you could do it all at once.
I would like to get together and see what motivation we have and what we can put together. If we feel that we have enough to start something, then lets do it.
I will say thought that I may not be the most qualified candidate to do this, but if I am the only one...I am prepared to do what I can.
Decoligny
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cato wrote:
Only if it is either a lockblade, fixedblade, or has a blade 2 1/2 inches or longer.
When I have business at a school, I carry a small swiss army knife with a 2" blade. It is perfectly legal.
The law in California is full of tiny little nuances.
cato wrote:
Only if it is either a lockblade, fixedblade, or has a blade 2 1/2 inches or longer.
When I have business at a school, I carry a small swiss army knife with a 2" blade. It is perfectly legal.
The law in California is full of tiny little nuances.
VigilanceOfFreedom
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Theseus wrote:
I agree, we do need to become more organize as soon as possible. I will be attending law school after I finish my bachelors, though I can't wait until I finish school to begin fighting the injustices in firearm legislation in our State. Our rights are severely restricted, but it's not over till it's over, and I believe we can get our rights back, we just have to start. And there's no time like the present.
I have not started OCing yet as I'm waiting for the reply from the local law enforcement, however I am ready to start meeting with local OCer's in the south bay area. We need to decided on a day, like the first and third Sunday of every month, where we can get together and coordinate our efforts to reach the public in a polite and constructive manner to help change public opinion about firearms. OC in a public place during our meetings or having a lunch in public after our meetings would be very beneficial as well.
Also, would it be possible for US to represent opencarry.org in an effort to direct more attention to this site and/or do we need permission to advertise opencarry.org or any of the other wonderful gun facts resources?
I live in El Segundo, CA. If there are any other open carriers near El Segundo, LAX, Marina Del Rey, give us a shout here and we can begin an organized pro-OC movement. As we grow, we'll attract the attention of the NRA and CRPA.
Theseus wrote:
I agree, we do need to become more organize as soon as possible. I will be attending law school after I finish my bachelors, though I can't wait until I finish school to begin fighting the injustices in firearm legislation in our State. Our rights are severely restricted, but it's not over till it's over, and I believe we can get our rights back, we just have to start. And there's no time like the present.
I have not started OCing yet as I'm waiting for the reply from the local law enforcement, however I am ready to start meeting with local OCer's in the south bay area. We need to decided on a day, like the first and third Sunday of every month, where we can get together and coordinate our efforts to reach the public in a polite and constructive manner to help change public opinion about firearms. OC in a public place during our meetings or having a lunch in public after our meetings would be very beneficial as well.
Also, would it be possible for US to represent opencarry.org in an effort to direct more attention to this site and/or do we need permission to advertise opencarry.org or any of the other wonderful gun facts resources?
I live in El Segundo, CA. If there are any other open carriers near El Segundo, LAX, Marina Del Rey, give us a shout here and we can begin an organized pro-OC movement. As we grow, we'll attract the attention of the NRA and CRPA.
CA_Libertarian
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Decoligny wrote:
Decoligny wrote:
Your interpretation is correct for K-12 schools, I believe. However, my recollection is that you can not carry a fixed blade with length more than 2.5" at colleges & universities. There is no restriction on the size of folders. One catch to be wary of: as soon as you lock open a folder, it becomes a fixed blade for the purposes of the section. Just carry two knives: one that has <2.5" blade for mundane cutting tasks, and then a larger folder for self defense purposes.