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    Has anyone made up a one page printoff pamphlet like the one at http://www.paopencarry.org/downloads.html ?? Cuz I think it's a great tool and would love to be able to shoot off a bunch to carry around with me.

    If no one has made one up for Michigan I'd appreciate input on what people think should go into it and I'll see what I can whip up.

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    TheSzerdi wrote:
    Has anyone made up a one page printoff pamphlet like the one at http://www.paopencarry.org/downloads.html ?? Cuz I think it's a great tool and would love to be able to shoot off a bunch to carry around with me.

    If no one has made one up for Michigan I'd appreciate input on what people think should go into it and I'll see what I can whip up.
    There is a wallet card floating around I believe. Don't quote me on that one though. It might still be in the production phase.

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    I have started one, pretty much just used the info from the two page version in the introductory threads. The idea was to ultimately get a quote from a printer to have a nice heavy-weight color version made up.

    I have been stalled for a while on this though, anyone else working on something similar?
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    I made this info card. I hope the link works. You should be able to print on a perforated business card sheet. This is something you can carry in your wallet, to give out.

    http://home.comcast.net/~gosirr/OpenCaryCard.doc


    edit: link works now-spelling error, Added age per SAS request.
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    I have a family member thathas a printing business. I'm sure I could get him to print anything you'd want reasonably. He does a lot of high volume printing.

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    Hi and welcome my take day or two to get reply !

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    Shadows wrote:
    I have a family member thathas a printing business. I'm sure I could get him to print anything you'd want reasonably. He does a lot of high volume printing.
    Great opportunity here everyone! A full color tri-fold brochure would really add an impression of credibility to our efforts. Does anyone have anything formatted?
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    JeffSayers wrote:
    Shadows wrote:
    I have a family member thathas a printing business. I'm sure I could get him to print anything you'd want reasonably. He does a lot of high volume printing.
    Great opportunity here everyone! A full color tri-fold brochure would really add an impression of credibility to our efforts. Does anyone have anything formatted?
    I can work on something, but cost is an issue, and is this something that will be tossed in the trash after the person gets the info he needs. I'm all for it, just thinking about what the goal of the brochure is, who will pay for it and what are we selling???? I one sheet handout that we have is serving the purpose, but if we can get them done for free or at very low cost let's do it.
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    Im working on one. Tell me what you think. This is what I got so far.
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    Gosirr wrote:
    Im working on one. Tell me what you think. This is what I got so far.
    I like it. One suggestion, how about a legal disclaimer some where on it?

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    I haven't read through every detail but it is well organized. I have some desktop publishing experience and would be happy to make this look a little more professional if we plan on taking this further.

    I think as far as purpose goes, it is great to have the information ready and available for anyone that wants it - be that a curious citizen who sees you while OCing, a police officer who stops you, friends and family, for yourself to remind you to be vigilant to keep up to date with the laws and regulations (or lack thereof )

    If we did have a connection in printing, we could easily print of a few hundred opies for pretty cheap and if we ever need more we could carry through with printing more.

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    warlockmatized wrote:
    Gosirr wrote:
    Im working on one. Tell me what you think. This is what I got so far.
    I like it. One suggestion, how about a legal disclaimer some where on it?
    The disclaimer is there, it is at the bottom enter of the first page (bottom of the back page when printed).
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    Gosirr wrote:
    Im working on one. Tell me what you think. This is what I got so far.

    The tri-fold layout is great.

    A thought for if/when we have this printed, if the folding is done by the printer manually, we might save alot of $s by folding them ourselves.

    ?= Is it possible to reduce the text size and include some sort of FAQ such as below? Just my $0.02; and you might get a nickel refund on the right day!

    WHY OPENLY CARRY A FIREARM?
    To protect yourself
    To protect your family
    To protect your neighbor
    To protect your rights
    WHY NOT JUST CARRY CONCEALED?
    If you under 21 you cannot obtain a CPL.
    Some situations/conditions are conducive to open carry
    Open carry is proactive rather than reactive
    WON’T I BE A TARGET IF I OPEN CARRY?
    It sounds logical, but a case has never been documented
    Like locking your doors, the crook finds an easier victim
    WON’T THIS BEHAVIOR SCARE PEOPLE?
    A firearm in a holster is nothing to fear
    Truth is, most people are too preoccupied to even notice
    Police departments know how to address a worried caller



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    JeffSayers wrote:
    warlockmatized wrote:
    Gosirr wrote:
    Im working on one. Tell me what you think. This is what I got so far.
    I like it. One suggestion, how about a legal disclaimer some where on it?
    The disclaimer is there, it is at the bottom enter of the first page (bottom of the back page when printed).
    I see it now, my bad. Must be the old timers kicking in.

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    warlockmatized wrote:
    JeffSayers wrote:
    warlockmatized wrote:
    Gosirr wrote:
    Im working on one. Tell me what you think. This is what I got so far.
    I like it. One suggestion, how about a legal disclaimer some where on it?
    The disclaimer is there, it is at the bottom enter of the first page (bottom of the back page when printed).
    I see it now, my bad. Must be the old timers kicking in.
    Don't worry, it sounds like it's just part-timers right now!
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    Ok i made those changes. Does everything else look ok? Give me your input......
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    I think it looks great. I'm sure you will print a test copy to make sure everything is aligned after it is folded.

    I think it's ready for Shadows to get us a quote.
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    JeffSayers wrote:
    Gosirr wrote:
    Im working on one. Tell me what you think. This is what I got so far.

    The tri-fold layout is great.

    A thought for if/when we have this printed, if the folding is done by the printer manually, we might save alot of $s by folding them ourselves.

    ?= Is it possible to reduce the text size and include some sort of FAQ such as below? Just my $0.02; and you might get a nickel refund on the right day!

    WHY OPENLY CARRY A FIREARM?
    To protect yourself
    To protect your family
    To protect your neighbor
    To protect your rights*
    WHY NOT JUST CARRY CONCEALED?
    If* you under 21 you cannot obtain a CPL.
    Some situations/conditions are conducive to open carry
    Open carry is proactive rather than reactive*
    WON’T I BE A TARGET IF I OPEN CARRY?*
    It sounds logical, but a case has never been documented
    Like locking your doors, the crook finds an easier victim
    WON’T THIS BEHAVIOR SCARE PEOPLE?
    A firearm in a holster is nothing to fear
    Truth is, most people are too preoccupied to even notice
    Police departments know how to address a worried caller

    *
    I'm just being picky, but I don't think we're at this point yet.

    Other than that, I think it looks good aside from a few spelling and grammatical errors. I can be more specific if you want, but spell check should catch most of it.

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    I have these comments so far. Use or ignore as you see fit.

    My Comments:
    Change: 18 years old or older.
    Safety Inspection will be out-dated as of January 2009. Change to legally registered in Michigan.
    This needs to be reworked.
    WHY OPENLY CARRY A FIREARM?[/b]
    [/b]To protect yourself
    To protect your family
    To protect your neighbor
    To protect your rights
    WHY NOT JUST CARRY CONCEALED?[/b]
    [/b]Ifyou are under 21 you cannot obtain a CPL.
    Some situations/conditions are conducive to open carry
    Open carry is proactive rather than reactive
    WON’T I BE A TARGET IF I OPEN CARRY?[/b]
    [/b]It sounds logical, but a case has never been documented
    Like locking your doors, the crook finds an easier victim
    WON’T THIS BEHAVIOR SCARE PEOPLE?[/b]
    [/b]A firearm in a holster is nothing to fear
    Truth is, most people are too preoccupied to even notice
    Police departments know how to address a worried caller
    The question is why OC? The answers given can be done with CC, so why OC?
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    Why OC?
    Faster draw.
    More comfortable in warm weather.
    Larger capacity handgun.
    Crime deterrent.

    WHY NOT JUST CARRY CONCEALED?
    I would delete this question all together

    WON’T I BE A TARGET IF I OPEN CARRY?
    There is no documented evidence that this has happened to a citizen while open carrying a handgun. Data shows that criminals avoid victims they know are armed.
    WON’T THIS BEHAVIOR SCARE PEOPLE?
    Of the thousands of hours people have OCed in Michigan we have found that no one reacts in a hysterical manner. Our data suggest most times a 911 call is made is by an off- duty police officer. Most police encounters are instigated by officers themselves and complaints were not by the public.
    An Amazon best seller "MY PARENTS OPEN CARRY" http://www.myparentsopencarry.com/

    *The information contained above is not meant to be legal advice, but is solely intended as a starting point for further research. These are my opinions, if you have further questions it is advisable to seek out an attorney that is well versed in firearm law.

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    A thought for if/when we have this printed, if the folding is done by the printer manually, we might save alot of $s by folding them ourselves.

    depending on how much it costs, having them prefolded might be worth it. Getting a piece of paper precisely folded by hand, the exact same way each time, would be a pain, IMHO. I gues we'll have to wait for cost quotes.

    BTW, I think this brochure is an excellent idea



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    Venator wrote:
    I have these comments so far. Use or ignore as you see fit.

    My Comments:



    Change: 18 years old or older.

    Safety Inspection will be out-dated as of January 2009. Change to legally registered in Michigan.



    This needs to be reworked.

    WHY OPENLY CARRY A FIREARM?[/b]
    [/b]To protect yourself
    To protect your family
    To protect your neighbor
    To protect your rights
    WHY NOT JUST CARRY CONCEALED?[/b]
    [/b]Ifyou are under 21 you cannot obtain a CPL.
    Some situations/conditions are conducive to open carry
    Open carry is proactive rather than reactive
    WON’T I BE A TARGET IF I OPEN CARRY?[/b]
    [/b]It sounds logical, but a case has never been documented
    Like locking your doors, the crook finds an easier victim
    WON’T THIS BEHAVIOR SCARE PEOPLE?[/b]
    [/b]A firearm in a holster is nothing to fear
    Truth is, most people are too preoccupied to even notice
    Police departments know how to address a worried caller



    The question is why OC? The answers given can be done with CC, so why OC?

    Change:

    Why OC?

    Faster draw.

    More comfortable in warm weather.

    Larger capacity handgun.

    Crime deterrent.



    WHY NOT JUST CARRY CONCEALED?

    I would delete this question all together



    WON’T I BE A TARGET IF I OPEN CARRY?

    There is no documented evidence that this has happened to a citizen while open carrying a handgun. Data shows that criminals avoid victims they know are armed.

    WON’T THIS BEHAVIOR SCARE PEOPLE?

    Of the thousands of hours people have OCed in Michigan we have found that no one reacts in a hysterical manner. Our data suggest most times a 911 call is made is by an off- duty police officer. Most police encounters are instigated by officers themselves and complaints were not by the public.
    .


    [/b]


    I would agree with the above mentioned changes.

    Here are some of my own suggestions (great work on this by the way):

    First interior page, the following paragraph needs an attribution. If it isn't shown to come from some person or organization with authority then it could just be Joe Dude giving his opinion--

    A person openly carrying a firearm on foot in a legal manner when approached by a police officer and questioned where the only reason for the questioning is because of the openly carried firearm need not give that officer their name and address. No license or ID is required to openly carry a firearm. It is your option to provide ID/CPL


    Third interior page, delete the following--confusing and irrelevent for the majority of people.

    Applying these definitions to your question, it is clear that a reserve police officer, regardless whether he or she qualifies as a "peace officer," when carrying a handgun in a holster in plain view, is not waving or displaying the firearm in a threatening manner. Thus, such conduct does not constitute brandishing a firearm in violation of section 234e of the Michigan Penal Code.

    Overall I think it's a great start but at this point I think it's still too wordy. Short sentences and/or paragraphs with quick, easy to read bulleted points. If that was handed to me I doubt I would read through it all.

    I don't think the point of a brochure is to give ALL the pertinent information but enough to pique someone's interest and get them to look into it further.

    Just my take.

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    I would add to "Why OC?" (and, I would argue, one of most important reasons):

    It'sthe onlychoice for thosewho can't afford concealed carry licensing.
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    OK -I did a couple of changes today at work. Then i had the printer company next door print me a couple dozen. I'll bring them to the picnic Sunday, and get a hands on critique. New brochure below.
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    Gosirr wrote:
    OK -I did a couple of changes today at work. Then i had the printer company next door print me a couple dozen. I'll bring them to the picnic Sunday, and get a hands on critique. New brochure below.
    The first thing that jumped out at me was having an S on the end of years. It sounds funny when i read it aloud to myself.

    Any 18 years old or older, law-abiding citizen of the.....

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    Small world---Shadows printer is my printer too.
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