ODA 226
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Bill in VA wrote:
Since, Icarus is an out-of-state resident, it is better to err on the side of caution to avoid any legal "misunderstandings".
If Icarus was in the Tidewater area, I could take him to ANY major gun store and I guarantee you that NONE of them would sell him a firearm with the ID that he currently has or with only a Virginia ID card.
No one will sell you an "assualt weapon" (Damn I hate that term!) without a valid passport, a teste copy of your birth certificate, or a current Virginia issued Voters Card. You'll need one of those PLUS 2 forms of Virginia ID.
I was not able to purchase a cherrySOCOM 16recently because the only form of ID I had was my Va. DL, Va. Car Registration (**Both MUST have the same address!**) DoD Contractor CaC Card, Virginia CHP, New Hampshire CHPand aDoD TS-SCI Badge!
The dealer told me that in addition to all this, I needed to have a valid passport, certified birth certificate or voter registration card. I thought his was BS and called my friend that works at A&P ArmsLynnhaven and he told me that he couldn't sell a SOCOM 16 to me unless I had a valid passport etc.
We could argue all day about this issue, but I think we both will agree that this system is fundamentally wrong and creates a burden to the gun enthusiast.
Cheers!
Bill in VA wrote:
With all due respect Bill, you are incorrect here. Please read all current statutes that were posted here becauseVirginia State Firearms Statutes are more stringent than Federal law. This is a sad state of affairs, but it is true.mkl, that still does not say anywhere in it that a non-US citizen cannot purchase an assualt weapon. Moreover, if we're going to parse words on whether or not I said what type of ID a non-US citizen must show to purchase an assault weapon I'll state for the record that I did not, nor did I say that a non-US citizen could usea vehicle registration to purchase an assault weapon. I'll admit though that going back to re-read myfollow-up statement posted Wed Oct 15th, 2008 01:55 pm a part of that one post mightappear to read that I state a vehicle registration is acceptable ID for a non-US citizen purchasing an assault weapon, it was not my intent to sound like I was. Up to that point when I crossed two separate thoughts in my haste to respond (non-citizens buying assault weapons and acceptable forms of ID for purchasing a firearm) I';ll stand by what I wrote as correct.
ODA226 said, "Most gun dealers will require TWO forms of valid Virginia ID or a valid Virginia car registration in order to buy a gun" I said that this is incorrect; it's not a dealer requirement, it's the law...a legal requirement.
ODA226 said, "If you want to buy an "assault weapon" better bring your passport because you now need to prove that you're a US citizen also." I said this is incorrect too, because a non-US citizen may lawfully purchase a assault weapon, both under federal and VA state law.
ODA226 also said, "Two forms of Virginia ID WILL NOT SUFFICE!" in reference to buying an assault weapon. Again, as I said, this is not correct, Both VA and federal law allow the use of other-than-VA/state-issued ID. We've established these to be true.
ODA226 said an out of state resident could not purcahse a firearm when he wrote, "If you are NOT a legal resident of Virginia and try to purchase a gun at a licensed gun shop in Virginia, you have committed a federal AND a state crime punishable under state and federal law." He alsowrote that one could not claim VA residence unless one paid VA state income tax or "declared permamenent residencey in Virginia."I said this is incorrect and again, gave the citation.
67GT390FB wrote, "Bill, you're not 100% correct. Virginiacode has some stricter requirements than the fed code.I have cut and pasted the relevant page from the VSP website." I wrote that nothing I said above was contradicted by VA Code: you can buy a firearm from VA if you're not a VA resident (longguns anyways); you can have residency in multiple states simply by maintaining a residence there and residing in that residence; a legal resident alien non-US citizencan purchase a firearm (as well asan "assault weapon" type of firearm); a firearm and "assault weapon" can be purchased using something other than state/DMV-issued ID (and let's not forget that there's no photo on an FFL...certainly no one will dispute the legality of an FFL-holder acquiring using nothing but a signed copy of the FFL.)
Since, Icarus is an out-of-state resident, it is better to err on the side of caution to avoid any legal "misunderstandings".
If Icarus was in the Tidewater area, I could take him to ANY major gun store and I guarantee you that NONE of them would sell him a firearm with the ID that he currently has or with only a Virginia ID card.
No one will sell you an "assualt weapon" (Damn I hate that term!) without a valid passport, a teste copy of your birth certificate, or a current Virginia issued Voters Card. You'll need one of those PLUS 2 forms of Virginia ID.
I was not able to purchase a cherrySOCOM 16recently because the only form of ID I had was my Va. DL, Va. Car Registration (**Both MUST have the same address!**) DoD Contractor CaC Card, Virginia CHP, New Hampshire CHPand aDoD TS-SCI Badge!
The dealer told me that in addition to all this, I needed to have a valid passport, certified birth certificate or voter registration card. I thought his was BS and called my friend that works at A&P ArmsLynnhaven and he told me that he couldn't sell a SOCOM 16 to me unless I had a valid passport etc.
We could argue all day about this issue, but I think we both will agree that this system is fundamentally wrong and creates a burden to the gun enthusiast.
Cheers!
