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    VA-ALERT: VCDL Update 10/21/08

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    VCDL Update 10/21/08 - Defending your right to defend yourself

    Quote for the day:
    Barack Obama on eliminating lawful concealed carry nationwide:
    "National legislation will prevent other states' flawed concealed-
    weapons laws from threatening the safety of Illinois residents." David
    Mendell, "Democratic hopefuls vary a bit on death penalty", Chicago
    Tribune, February 20, 2004.

    1. Virginia State Forests preparing petition on allowing carry
    2. It's time to order your VCDL license plates!
    3. Goochland rally has sounds of freedom ringing in the background /
    National Parks vote coming?
    4. Gun rights advocate will be prosecuted in Norfolk case
    5. Female reporter feels safer with armed citizens around
    6. Why would you need a gun at a Norfolk school?
    7. Assault at William & Mary
    8. Concealed guns at Liberty University?
    9. No surprise: paper comes out against self-defense at university
    10. VCDL helps kill Hanover's proposed weapons ordinances
    11. Poquoson City Council works to clear invalid ordinances
    12. Discount for permit holders at Newport News shooting range
    13. How to make FOIA requests in Virginia
    14. D.C.-area tourist attacked with knife at NC Dismal Swamp state park
    15. Police Officer gives useful insight of traffic stops of a permit
    holder
    16. Will Guns Sink Obama in Va.?
    17. Anti-Gun-Rights Candidate Could Gut "Heller" Decision
    18. Obama's History in the Illinois Senate
    19. FBI: Justifiable homicides at highest in more than a decade
    20. Madonna's Controversial Gun Shoes
    21. Gun shows and events!


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    1. Virginia State Forests preparing petition on allowing carry
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    Thanks to Bob Taylor for bringing 4 VAC 10-30-170 to my attention.
    That Virginia Admin code says:

    http://www.dof.virginia.gov/stforest/regulations.shtml

    "No person shall bring into or have in any forest any explosive or
    explosive substance, except commercial sporting firearms ammunition;
    explosives, explosive substances and firearms of all types are
    prohibited in any portion of a forest assigned to the Department of
    Forestry, for administration as a recreational area."

    A couple of weeks ago I contacted Ron Jenkins, who handles policy for
    State Forests, about this issue. I told Mr. Jenkins that the same two
    Attorney General opinions that say that State Parks cannot prohibit
    either open carry or concealed carry would apply to State Forests, too.

    Mr. Jenkins, who was very polite and professional, said he would look
    into the matter.

    I forwarded him an email with a more formal petition and links to the
    two AG opinions referenced above.

    EM Mike Stollerwerk has discovered that State Forests are getting
    ready to vet the VCDL petition. (Like other State agencies, before
    State Forests changes its rules, it notifies and gets input from the
    public on the proposed change.)

    For now, there is nothing to do. I will let you know when we can
    begin sending supporting emails for the petition and where to send them.

    Here is a link to the petition information:

    http://www.townhall.virginia.gov/l/v...?petitionid=64

    Petition Title Allowing the Lawful Carry of Handguns on State Forests
    Date Filed 10/7/2008
    Petitioner Philip Van Cleave, President Virginia Citizens Defense
    League
    Petitioner's Request

    The Virginia Citizens Defense League is asking the State Forester to
    change the current regulation to allow the otherwise lawful carry of
    handguns, either concealed with a concealed handgun permit or openly,
    in a state forest.

    Agency's Plan

    The Department of Forestry shall submit notice of the petition to the
    Registrar for publication in the Virginia Register. The notice will
    be available for a 21-day comment period by the public. After the
    close of the 21-day comment period, the agency will issue a written
    decision as to whether it will grant or deny the petition.

    Comment Period Will begin 11/10/2008 and end on 12/2/2008
    Agency Decision Pending

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    2. It's time to order your VCDL license plates!
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    We need to get moving on this so we have all of our ducks in a row
    before the General Assembly session starts in January! We need to
    have orders for at least 350 plates by then.

    Instructions on how to order the plates and an image of the plate are
    here:

    http://www.vcdl.org/index.html#Plates

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    3. Goochland rally has sounds of freedom ringing in the background /
    National Parks vote coming?
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    On Saturday Board member Dennis O'Connor and I attended the Goochland
    Republican Committee rally to thank them for specifically welcoming
    gun owners.

    Congressman Eric Cantor and Jim Gilmore's wife, Roxane, spoke to the
    assembled crowd.

    The rally was held at a private hunting preserve and a few times when
    Congressman Cantor paused while addressing the crowd on various
    issues, including the Second Amendment, gun shots could be heard in
    the distance. That evoked more than a few chuckles from the crowd at
    the appropriateness of the timing of those shots. ;-)

    I also had a chance to speak to Congressman Cantor about getting some
    legislation passed to allow carry in National Parks, as the Department
    of the Interior seems to be dragging its heals. He was receptive and
    said he would look into the status of the bills repealing the National
    Park gun ban.

    **BREAKING NEWS: Just got this link, which says Congressional vote on
    carry in National Parks is scheduled for November 1!**

    http://tinyurl.com/567rze

    Bearing Arms in National Parks
    Doublethink Online
    by Kathryn Ciano | October 15, 2008

    Lost in all the noise about the ongoing bail-out is an important vote
    before Congress, slated for November 1, on a controversial plan to
    overturn the ban on guns in National Parks. The proposed new rule
    would lift the ban only in National Parks located in states that allow
    concealed carry in their own State Parks. It’s not just about the
    Second Amendment, however. People’s lives are increasingly at risk
    from marauding drug dealers who grow vast quantities of marijuana on
    federal parkland and jealously defend their turf.

    Since 1983, the Department of the Interior has prohibited people from
    carrying firearms into lands controlled by the National Park Service
    and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service. This rule correctly separates
    laws governing federal lands from those of surrounding states—
    federalism dictates that state laws should not automatically apply to
    federal land within its borders. However, in the recent Heller
    ruling, the Supreme Court upheld the individual’s right to bear arms
    on federal territory (the District of Columbia), thereby calling into
    question the validity of the park ban on Constitutional grounds.

    In overturning the District’s gun ban this summer, the Court did not
    rule on whether states have to respect the Second Amendment. However
    it’s now clear that individuals can successfully defend their
    Constitutional rights on federal land. While D.C.’s reluctance to
    accept the Court’s ruling may be annoying—guns still must remain
    disassembled until an intruder actually breaks in, and the District
    rejected Heller’s own application to purchase a firearm—the legal
    writing is clearly on the wall for the nationwide park ban.

    Yet the ban cannot be lifted soon enough.

    The National Park Service claims that the gun ban protects park
    visitors from violent crime. But gun bans only affect law-abiding
    citizens, leaving them defenseless against armed criminals who ignore
    the laws. While park rangers wear bulletproof vests at all times and
    travel with guns on their persons or vehicles, the National Park
    Service denies such protection to campers and hikers. Indeed, the Park
    Service withholds research permits until researchers sign waivers
    acknowledging that the National Park Service cannot protect them.

    According to the White House January 2008 drug policy report, armed
    drug traffickers cultivate most American marijuana grown outdoors in
    National Parks. Worth billions of dollars, 80% of the marijuana plants
    officials eradicated from federal lands in 2007 grew in National Park
    areas of California and Kentucky.

    Since the 9/11 terrorist attacks, drug smugglers cannot easily
    transport drugs across tightened US borders. Instead, cartels bring
    cultivators into the US to grow marijuana in remote, sparsely policed
    federal lands. Criminal drug trafficking organizations headquartered
    abroad supply workers with weapons and materials necessary to maintain
    these extensive operations. These workers clear cut native trees,
    poach and hunt wildlife, divert natural waterways to irrigate the
    land, and devastate the soil with pesticides, herbicides, and
    fertilizers. National Park officials estimate that traffickers destroy
    ten acres of forest for each acre of cultivated marijuana.

    Traffickers live close to their crops, often less than one hundred
    yards off the trail, growing intimate with the land and rangers’
    schedules. While parks are still relatively peaceful places, an
    increasing amount of violence occurs when unsuspecting tourists
    stumble upon these plantations and are menaced by the drug farmers.
    These criminals know that tourists are not armed, and have been known
    to detain and threaten hikers.

    A repeal of this dangerous and unconstitutional law is within reach.
    The November 1 vote is on a Department of the Interior proposal
    repealing the ban in National Parks located in states that permit
    concealed carry. Forty-eight Senators support the right to bear arms
    on federal land and will likely support this measure.

    Last week, the Pennsylvania Legislature passed HB-1845, overruling the
    Pennsylvania State Park firearm carry ban. Pennsylvania is signaling
    approval of the proposed national policy, and has tailored its own
    law, ensuring that National Parks in Pennsylvania qualify for the
    National Park gun ban repeal.

    Yet the Interior Department has specifically prohibited Park Service
    employees from commenting on the proposed change. Conflicting evidence
    regarding crime statistics surrounds these obscure but ominous
    problems facing our National Parks. The Interior Department should
    weigh rangers’ comments at least as heavily as those from the general
    public.

    Since the Supreme Court categorized the right to bear arms as a
    fundamental individual right, both the Congress and the Department of
    the Interior should consider this federal precedent and the dozens of
    state cases decided since then. Pennsylvania’s commitment to
    individual liberties further signals state support for this federal
    policy.

    We need to ensure that our National Parks remain safe, allowing us to
    enjoy the grandeur of nature that is our inheritance. Depriving law-
    abiding citizens of another hard-won inheritance, the right to bear
    arms, is at best counterproductive.

    -Kathryn Ciano is a law student in Virginia.

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    4. Gun rights advocate will be prosecuted in Norfolk case
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    Sometimes when a story is initially put out on the web, a paper might
    update it. That's because they are initially trying to get the story
    out there and later fix it up to match the final printed version. In
    this case, the article has several things added and others removed
    from what was posted last week:

    http://tinyurl.com/4ykp4v

    By Harry Minium
    The Virginian-Pilot October 15, 2008

    NORFOLK The city will prosecute a trespassing charge against Hampton
    resident Dan Moore after he was ordered to leave Waterside last week
    for wearing a gun on his hip, and according to police, refused to leave.

    Although the retail complex has received millions of taxpayer dollars,
    it is a private institution that has the right to ban guns, City
    Attorney Bernard A. Pishko said.

    In Virginia, it is legal to carry a handgun in public.

    "Waterside is a commercial venture, with restaurants and shops,"
    Pishko said. "This is not the kind of activity you would expect to
    find in a public building."

    Moore, who has had several brushes with Norfolk police over his right
    to carry a gun, attended a City Council meeting on Oct. 8. He and
    members of the Virginia Citizens Defense League told the council that
    they were upset about how they were being treated by police.

    Later that night, Moore and other members of the group were leaving a
    Waterside restaurant when they were stopped by an off-duty Norfolk
    police officer. They were all wearing guns. Moore was the only one
    arrested.

    He is scheduled to appear in General District Court on Nov. 14. He
    could face up to a year in jail and a hefty fine if convicted of the
    misdemeanor.

    Moore said Wednesday that he plans to contest the charge because
    Waterside is owned by taxpayers.

    "The city is talking about tearing it down because it's not making
    enough money," he said. "There is no question that it is city property."

    Moore also said the arresting officer told him that he could not carry
    a gun inside Waterside because it is a public place. However, he
    denies refusing to leave Waterside.

    No judge will consider Waterside private property, said Philip Van
    Cleave, who heads the gun rights group. "The city has a big stake in
    that building. I think the city attorney is doing a lot of wishful
    thinking."

    Twice before, Moore said he has been illegally stopped and questioned
    by Norfolk police. After the first incident a year ago, when he was
    detained while downtown, the city paid Moore $10,000 to avoid a lawsuit.

    City officials say that although Moore and others who openly carry
    guns downtown are within their rights, they have done so brazenly in
    an attempt to attract attention. This time, Moore violated the law and
    his judgment "could end up costing him," Pishko said.

    Pishko's office rarely sends attorneys to prosecute misdemeanors, but
    Pishko said they will handle this case because of its high profile
    nature and the precedent it could set.

    Van Cleave said his group may help Moore pay for legal representation.
    "He stood up to the city, and we certainly can't have that, can we?"
    Van Cleave asked sarcastically.
    "Unfortunately, I've come to expect no less from Norfolk."

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    5. Female reporter feels safer with armed citizens around
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    Kerry Dougherty, a conservative columnist for the Virginian-Pilot,
    wrote this article about Danladi Moore's latest situation with Norfolk:

    http://tinyurl.com/54cbzj

    The Virginian-Pilot October 15, 2008
    Kerry Dougherty
    Virginian-Pilot columnist

    A woman alone. After dark. In downtown Norfolk.

    A recipe for fear?

    Not last Tuesday. Safest place in town, I thought as I pulled into the
    dimly lit parking garage behind City Hall.

    It was, after all, Dirty Harry Night at Norfolk City Council. Dozens
    of law-abiding gun owners were expected, all openly packing heat, to
    protest the city's alleged harassment of a gun owner who had been
    stopped several times for carrying a weapon.

    The man in the bull's-eye is Danladi Moore, a 24-year-old Hampton man
    who seems to get in trouble every time he comes to Norfolk. After two
    encounters with the city's police, Moore was awarded $10,000 in July,
    to avoid a court battle.

    The security guard barely had time to spend the loot before he says he
    was booted from an HRT bus - again, for carrying a weapon - and told
    he might be arrested.

    On Tuesday night, just hours after he and others testified before a
    stone-faced City Council and received assurances that Norfolk police
    understood Virginia's gun laws, Moore was stopped again.

    He claims he was disarmed, handcuffed and charged with trespassing at
    Waterside.

    Cha-ching.

    "Open-carry" is a concept that's alien to many. While everyone seems
    to know that the commonwealth issues permits to carry concealed
    weapons, many don't know that anyone who can legally own a gun can
    carry it without a permit, provided it's in the open.

    Ignorance of the law explains the panicky 911 calls to report Moore
    poking around town with a holstered sidearm.

    But it doesn't justify a police response that, according to Moore,
    resulted in officers hassling him and insisting he had no right to
    carry a weapon.

    Why open-carry? Some say it's the comfortable way to carry a gun when
    it's hot. Others insist that a visible weapon is a powerful crime
    deterrent.

    "Someone said they thought guys who open-carry are trying to look
    cool," Moore told me Wednesday. "That's not me. I'm trying to look
    like a guy who doesn't want to be robbed."

    Moore believes he may have thwarted a convenience store holdup once
    when a suspicious person left after spying his gun.

    His latest brush with authorities came after a knot of the open-carry
    guys headed to Hooters at the conclusion of the council meeting. Most
    sported weapons, yet their accessories reportedly attracted no
    attention in the restaurant. No surprise there; no one looks at men at
    Hooters.

    Later, in Waterside, Moore said he and a friend were stopped by two
    police officers, told they couldn't bring guns into the complex, and
    ordered to leave.

    Moore balked and insisted he was within his rights. Within minutes,
    Moore claims he was disarmed, handcuffed and charged with trespassing.
    He has a court date in November.

    Before leaving council chambers Tuesday night, I spoke with Moore and
    asked him about his holstered gun.

    "It's a Springfield XD .45," he said, adding with a grin, "I bought it
    with some of the money I got from Norfolk this summer."

    Before this is over, Moore may have a matched set.


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    6. Why would you need a gun at a Norfolk school?
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    http://tinyurl.com/68uxx9

    By Amy Jeter
    The Virginian-Pilot October 14, 2008

    Report: Increase in violence last year in Norfolk schools

    NORFOLK The number of student assaults against Norfolk school staff
    rose significantly last year, and fighting, gang activity and weapons
    violations inched upward, according to a recent report by the school
    division.

    However, the total number of incidents requiring discipline dropped
    from the previous year, as did the number of violations of law and
    instances of insubordination.

    The report, which will be presented at today's School Board meeting,
    comes three days after a Booker T. Washington High School football
    game was moved because of a threat to a player, and at a time when
    South Hampton Roads parents, students and teachers are concerned about
    gang-related violence seeping into schools.

    Since school started in the fall, Norfolk has moved two other games
    because of fears of gangs, and a football player at Portsmouth's I.C.
    Norcom High School was fatally shot. Portsmouth police said they
    considered him a gang member.

    Six weeks into the school year, some in Norfolk already see signs of
    more clashes among students. "I've heard more this year, in this short
    period of time, regarding assaults and fights than I did last year at
    all," said Marian Flickinger, president of the Norfolk Federation of
    Teachers. "Are things going downhill? Or is this an anomaly?"

    Louis Fisher, a Maury High School senior, said fights this year have
    been different because they tend to be between groups of students.
    "Fights usually start - someone's wearing a color that a certain group
    of people don't like," he said.

    Parents and teachers plan to speak out about violence occurring at
    Maury at tonight's meeting, and Superintendent Stephen C. Jones has
    prepared a response.

    Jones said Norfolk's longer-term discipline statistics don't reflect a
    clear upward or downward trend, however.

    He blamed the misbehavior of some students on negative cultural
    influences and clashes among neighborhood gangs.

    "We're in a society where kids act out because it mirrors what they
    see the adults doing," Jones said. "We can't spend the kind of time in
    values education that I'd like to spend time on."

    Assaults on staff members rose to 92 from 59 last year. Michael
    Spencer, the school division's chief operations officer, said he
    couldn't identify a reason for the jump, even after reviewing many of
    the individual case files.

    In March, after school officials adopted a new strategy to deal with
    assaults on staff, the number of incidents dropped off, Spencer said.

    In the past three years, school officials have worked to make
    punishments more consistent and to reduce truancy. They're also
    addressing trends of student disrespect toward staff members and
    increased gang activity in Norfolk's neighborhoods, according to the
    report.

    Last year, assistant principals and deans of discipline received
    special training on such topics as defusing incidents in schools. This
    month, they attended a gang prevention training session conducted by
    the Norfolk police.

    Administrators and parents suggest a variety of potential solutions to
    gang issues. Jones said students should be provided alternatives, such
    as middle school football, and school staff members should work on
    building relationships with students and among them.

    Flickinger said she wants to see a stricter enforcement of
    consequences and an effective alternative program for the worst
    offenders.

    Fisher suggested offering more options outside school.

    "Keep kids off the street," Fisher, 18, said. "Because if kids aren't
    in gangs in the first place, then we won't have it coming into our
    school."

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    7. Assault at William & Mary
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    Gist of the message to the students at William & Mary -- don't defend
    yourself, but if you're still alive after the incident, we will do our
    best to help you.

    Dear Students,

    As we return from Fall Break, I am writing to inform you of a sexual
    assault that was reported to William and Mary Police by one of our
    women students, and to take this opportunity to remind the community
    of important support services available on campus for survivors of
    sexual assault.

    The incident was reported over the weekend. The student in this case
    was off campus in the early morning hours of October 10 when she
    accepted a walk home from a friend. Once at her residence hall, the
    woman told police, he sexually assaulted in her dorm room. Police are
    investigating the crime and we will continue to provide our student
    with all the support and assistance we can.

    While William and Mary is generally a very safe community, we are not
    immune to the types of unfortunate incidents that do occur on college
    campuses. Because we are a close-knit community, it is especially
    important to know that there are many resources for you or a friend
    who might need support. In addition to caring staff members in the
    Counseling Center and the Dean of Students Office, William and Mary
    has designed a special website to give sexual assault survivors quick,
    easy access to information. Posted there (www.wm.edu/sexualassault)
    are contacts for immediate help in a crisis, as well as more general
    information for the entire campus community about how to help a friend.

    The trauma associated with sexual assault is very real and painful. I
    know you join me in extending sincerest wishes for our student's
    recovery.

    Ginger Ambler

    Virginia M. Ambler, Ph.D.
    Interim Vice President for Student Affairs
    The College of William and Mary
    757-221-1236 (phone)
    757-221-1240 (fax)

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    8. Concealed guns at Liberty University?
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    WDBJ 7 CBS Roanoke
    October 10, 2008

    http://tinyurl.com/4ajwx4

    A group of students at Liberty University is asking the school to
    allow concealed weapons on campus.

    They want Liberty's Board of Trustees to amend school policy. Right
    now, if you have a concealed weapons permit, you're not allowed to
    bring a gun to L-U.

    If the rules change, Liberty will be one of only two schools in
    Virginia to allow concealed weapons on school property.

    The Board of Trustees will take up the issue at its next meeting in
    March.

    L-U Chancellor Jerry Fallwell, Junior sits on that board A
    representative says his office is still in the early stages of
    considering the proposal.

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    9. No surprise: paper comes out against self-defense at university
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    My comments imbedded below:

    http://tinyurl.com/3qmw6s

    The News & Advance Lynchburg, VA
    October 16, 2008

    Do students at Liberty University really need to carry concealed
    weapons with them to classes and elsewhere on campus? Do they consider
    life on the growing campus so unsafe that they need a pistol to
    protect themselves as they make their daily rounds? [PVC: Even if the
    campus was the safest in the world, why shouldn't a student or faculty
    member still have the means to protect themselves in case the
    unthinkable happens? Why must we force students and staff to have to
    die if someone like Cho shows up?]

    Those are issues that will be brought to the university's board of
    trustees next year. It's fine for the trustees to consider the
    questions. But let's hope sanity prevails over the discussion. If so,
    the board will either not consider a vote allowing concealed weapons
    or it will vote against the measure.

    The issue came up recently from a student group known as Students for
    Concealed Carry on Campus (SCCC). The group has proposed that students
    who hold permits to carry concealed weapons be allowed to carry those
    weapons on campus.

    The university currently does not allow students - including those
    with concealed carry permits - to carry a gun on campus. And with good
    reason. The presence of concealed weapons on campus can only make life
    on that campus more dangerous. [PVC: Oh, hogwash. Where are the
    statistics or studies to back that up?]

    That has to be part of the reason that students on only a dozen
    campuses nationally are allowed to carry concealed weapons. Most of
    those campuses are in Utah, which is the only state in the nation that
    does not restrict students from carrying concealed weapons on college
    campuses. [PVC: Actually, Virginia does NOT restrict firearms on
    college campuses. The schools themselves have implemented the
    restrictions with threat of loss of job or expulsion for violation of
    their rule.]

    In the aftermath of the massacre at Virginia Tech in April 2007 in
    which a mentally ill student shot and killed 32 students and faculty,
    gun rights advocates argued that allowing students to carry concealed
    weapons could have reduced the number of fatalities.

    Maybe. But at what cost? What about the students and faculty members
    caught in the crossfire between those with legal guns and those with
    illegal guns? [PVC: Hogwash again. Cross-fire: show me where that
    has EVER been a problem in the real world. Just another anti-gun
    fantasy.]

    Virginia Tech continues to forbid the carrying of weapons on its
    campus even by those with concealed weapons permits. [PVC: Non-
    students/non-staff can carry there.] Gov. Timothy M. Kaine has also
    pointed out that legislation that would force universities to allow
    concealed-carry permit holders to bring guns on campus has
    consistently drawn opposition from college administrators. [PVC:
    Yes, because those college administrators simply don't understand the
    issue.]

    For good reason. The addition of more guns on college campuses - even
    those that are carried legally - would only add to the unsafe
    conditions created by the presence of guns. [PVC: Guns, in and of
    themselves, do not make conditions safe or unsafe.] It is not likely
    that the state wants to create armed fortresses in college dormitories
    and classrooms. [PVC: If someone like Cho was storming your
    classroom you would damn well wish that your room could be quickly
    turned into an armed fortress!!!]

    Nor should that be the case in the state's private colleges and
    universities, although those schools are allowed to permit concealed
    weapons if they want guns on their campuses.

    Under Virginia law, students must be at least 21 to apply for a
    concealed handgun permit. Those permits are granted by circuit judges
    based on the applicant's ability to persuade the judge he or she needs
    to have such a permit for security. How would an LU student explain
    the need for a permit to carry such a weapon? [PVC: WHAT?!?!?? Was
    no research done for this? In Virginia you do NOT have to show ANY
    need WHATSOEVER to get a concealed handgun permit. The assumed need
    is that you want to live if you are attacked by a criminal.]

    In agreeing to present the question to the trustees, Chancellor Jerry
    Falwell Jr. said members of Liberty's chapter of the SCCC made the
    request. "I really don't have a good feel for whether our community
    would support it or not," he said. "So I just decided to take it to
    the board."

    Falwell added that leading up to the meeting, which will not be held
    until next March, board members will be provided information gathered
    from students and faculty on the proposal. He said the board would
    also have to consider how difficult the process is to get a permit to
    carry a concealed weapon.

    If campus security is a concern, as the SCCC members have indicated it
    is, Liberty should hire more police with firearms to protect the
    students and faculty. [PVC: Wait a second! Near the beginning of
    this Opinion, the Editors said that more guns would make things more
    dangerous on campus. Now they're saying more guns (in the hands of
    the police) are ok? Guess that's because the police won't be there
    when a tragic incident occurs so their guns won't be used.]

    That would be far more prudent than allowing students and others with
    permits to carry firearms to class. [PVC: All those police at
    Virginia Tech didn't save the 32 innocent lives that were violently
    stolen.]

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    10. VCDL helps kill Hanover's proposed weapons ordinances
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    More coverage on the Hanover rejection of gun-control measures last
    week:

    http://tinyurl.com/6eu6r2

    By Melody Kinser Mechanicsburg Local
    Oct 15, 2008

    Residents speak out - most in opposition - to measures considered by
    supervisors

    Shot down.

    That's what the Hanover County Board of Supervisors did last Wednesday
    night to two ordinances - one including weapons - following a combined
    public hearing that attracted a courtroom full of citizens.

    About 30 residents addressed the supervisors, with most opposing the
    weapons ordinance, as well as a noise ordinance.

    The ordinances - No. 08-23 to prohibit the discharge of weapons within
    the Urban Service Area and within 200 yards of a residence or public
    gathering place outside the Urban Service Area and No. 08-24 to
    include a provision relating to the frequent, habitual or prolonged
    discharge of firearms and to clarify the provisions related to
    enforcement - failed in a unanimous vote shortly after nearly two
    hours of public comment.

    Supervisor Charles D. McGhee of the Henry District, who chaired the
    Weapons Safety Committee, made the motion to "not adopt any changes"
    and "leave in place" existing ordinances, which date back to 1964.

    County Attorney Sterling E. Rives III, who also served on the
    committee, said the supervisors formed a committee to consider both
    issues on Jan. 9.

    During a July 23 workshop, he said the supervisors agreed to change
    the penalty from a Class 1 felony with a $5,000 fine and two-year jail
    term to a misdemeanor with a fine up to $1,000. [PVC: Member Rob
    Seastrom pointed out that the Class 1 felony does not have a two-year
    jail term and $5,000 fine. Reporter may have gotten his facts wrong.]

    The noise issue, stemming from a complaint involving barking dogs,
    became controversial in terms of enforcement.

    Hanover County Sheriff V. Stuart Cook was the first to approach the
    podium. He specifically said he opposed the noise ordinance, with
    support from Commonwealth's Attorney R.E. "Trip" Chalkley, because it
    would be "nearly impossible to enforce or prosecute." He said a
    majority of the county is still rural and questioned how his deputies
    could define or determine frequent or habitual.

    Chalkley followed, saying he too had a "severe problem with the noise
    ordinance. I do not think this law can be successfully prosecuted."
    And, that, he added, "makes it a bad law."

    Hawthorne Davis, who lives in the Cold Harbor District, called the
    measures "quantitive rather than subjective." He said the "200-yard
    thing is unreasonable."

    "Much to my chagrin," Gilbert Elliott said, much of his property in
    the Henry District "lies within the Urban Service Area." He said his
    five acres are zoned agricultural, yet he drives "down two dirt roads
    to get to my house." He noted his Second Amendment rights (to keep and
    bear arms) and said the county should provide free safety classes.

    Jerry Sexton, from the South Anna District, told the supervisors that
    the 200 barking dogs his neighbor has "is abnormal" in expressing
    interest in the noise ordinance.

    Philip Van Cleave of Chesterfield, who serves as president of the
    Virginia Citizens Defense League, said his 4,800-member organization
    is "very concerned about our rights." Ordinances such as those that
    were being proposed, he said, are making it "so difficult to shoot."

    "Totally against" were the words spoken by South Anna District
    resident Donald Talley.

    Bruce Blackley of Montpelier said he moved to Hanover County about 11
    years ago from Northern Virginia. As for the restrictions, he said,
    "This is the thing you could expect to find in Northern Virginia."

    John Ostergren Jr., who resides in the Ashland District, said the
    noise ordinance was "vague and subjective," adding he agreed with the
    sheriff.

    Chris Branson, of the South Anna District, said, "I oppose both of
    them.'

    He cited the matter of dogs barking in the noise ordinance, saying,
    "We're a rural area [so you can expect to hear them]."

    Clarence Hunter Sr., of the Henry District, said he had appeared
    before the Board of Supervisors in January 2007 when he requested an
    amendment after a new neighbor started "target shooting in his back
    yard."

    "Please approve the recommendations," he said, adding there was a
    December 2007 report from the Sheriff's Office concerning several
    complaints.

    Attorney Michael Clower, of Ashland, said he was "very much against
    this ordinance" and called it "a gun rights bill."

    "This is nothing but anti-gun legislation," he added.

    Tom Willett, who lives in the South Anna District, said he was
    "against both ordinances," claiming "Second Amendment encroachment. I
    still believe we should have the right to bear arms."

    Jan Clement, of the Beaverdam District, favored both ordinances,
    saying they "embody safety and common courtesy. It's only a minor
    inconvenience to drive to a shooting range."

    Beaverdam District resident Maurice Redding said it was "a privilege
    and a right to target shoot in Hanover County. I should be able to do
    it wherever hunting is legal."

    "It's a property rights issue," said Scott Greg, of the Henry District.

    In urging opposition to the ordinances, Mark Huffman, of the Henry
    District, pointed out that the membership is full at both shooting
    ranges in the area.

    Glenn Millican, of the Mechanicsville District, talked about the
    "natural wonderful world of the outdoors," saying that archery is a
    family sport.

    The public hearing wrapped up with Rives saying the supervisors had
    the prerogative to approve both ordinances, one or neither.

    And, in the span of minutes, McGhee had made the motion, there was a
    vote and a crowd that often applauded the comments left the auditorium
    - with most feeling victorious.


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    6. Why would you need a gun at a Norfolk school?
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    http://tinyurl.com/68uxx9

    By Amy Jeter
    The Virginian-Pilot October 14, 2008

    Report: Increase in violence last year in Norfolk schools

    NORFOLK The number of student assaults against Norfolk school staff
    rose significantly last year, and fighting, gang activity and weapons
    violations inched upward, according to a recent report by the school
    division.

    However, the total number of incidents requiring discipline dropped
    from the previous year, as did the number of violations of law and
    instances of insubordination.

    The report, which will be presented at today's School Board meeting,
    comes three days after a Booker T. Washington High School football
    game was moved because of a threat to a player, and at a time when
    South Hampton Roads parents, students and teachers are concerned about
    gang-related violence seeping into schools.

    Since school started in the fall, Norfolk has moved two other games
    because of fears of gangs, and a football player at Portsmouth's I.C.
    Norcom High School was fatally shot. Portsmouth police said they
    considered him a gang member.

    Six weeks into the school year, some in Norfolk already see signs of
    more clashes among students. "I've heard more this year, in this short
    period of time, regarding assaults and fights than I did last year at
    all," said Marian Flickinger, president of the Norfolk Federation of
    Teachers. "Are things going downhill? Or is this an anomaly?"

    Louis Fisher, a Maury High School senior, said fights this year have
    been different because they tend to be between groups of students.
    "Fights usually start - someone's wearing a color that a certain group
    of people don't like," he said.

    Parents and teachers plan to speak out about violence occurring at
    Maury at tonight's meeting, and Superintendent Stephen C. Jones has
    prepared a response.

    Jones said Norfolk's longer-term discipline statistics don't reflect a
    clear upward or downward trend, however.

    He blamed the misbehavior of some students on negative cultural
    influences and clashes among neighborhood gangs.

    "We're in a society where kids act out because it mirrors what they
    see the adults doing," Jones said. "We can't spend the kind of time in
    values education that I'd like to spend time on."

    Assaults on staff members rose to 92 from 59 last year. Michael
    Spencer, the school division's chief operations officer, said he
    couldn't identify a reason for the jump, even after reviewing many of
    the individual case files.

    In March, after school officials adopted a new strategy to deal with
    assaults on staff, the number of incidents dropped off, Spencer said.

    In the past three years, school officials have worked to make
    punishments more consistent and to reduce truancy. They're also
    addressing trends of student disrespect toward staff members and
    increased gang activity in Norfolk's neighborhoods, according to the
    report.

    Last year, assistant principals and deans of discipline received
    special training on such topics as defusing incidents in schools. This
    month, they attended a gang prevention training session conducted by
    the Norfolk police.

    Administrators and parents suggest a variety of potential solutions to
    gang issues. Jones said students should be provided alternatives, such
    as middle school football, and school staff members should work on
    building relationships with students and among them.

    Flickinger said she wants to see a stricter enforcement of
    consequences and an effective alternative program for the worst
    offenders.

    Fisher suggested offering more options outside school.

    "Keep kids off the street," Fisher, 18, said. "Because if kids aren't
    in gangs in the first place, then we won't have it coming into our
    school."

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    7. Assault at William & Mary
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    Gist of the message to the students at William & Mary -- don't defend
    yourself, but if you're still alive after the incident, we will do our
    best to help you.

    Dear Students,

    As we return from Fall Break, I am writing to inform you of a sexual
    assault that was reported to William and Mary Police by one of our
    women students, and to take this opportunity to remind the community
    of important support services available on campus for survivors of
    sexual assault.

    The incident was reported over the weekend. The student in this case
    was off campus in the early morning hours of October 10 when she
    accepted a walk home from a friend. Once at her residence hall, the
    woman told police, he sexually assaulted in her dorm room. Police are
    investigating the crime and we will continue to provide our student
    with all the support and assistance we can.

    While William and Mary is generally a very safe community, we are not
    immune to the types of unfortunate incidents that do occur on college
    campuses. Because we are a close-knit community, it is especially
    important to know that there are many resources for you or a friend
    who might need support. In addition to caring staff members in the
    Counseling Center and the Dean of Students Office, William and Mary
    has designed a special website to give sexual assault survivors quick,
    easy access to information. Posted there (www.wm.edu/sexualassault)
    are contacts for immediate help in a crisis, as well as more general
    information for the entire campus community about how to help a friend.

    The trauma associated with sexual assault is very real and painful. I
    know you join me in extending sincerest wishes for our student's
    recovery.

    Ginger Ambler

    Virginia M. Ambler, Ph.D.
    Interim Vice President for Student Affairs
    The College of William and Mary
    757-221-1236 (phone)
    757-221-1240 (fax)

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    8. Concealed guns at Liberty University?
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    WDBJ 7 CBS Roanoke
    October 10, 2008

    http://tinyurl.com/4ajwx4

    A group of students at Liberty University is asking the school to
    allow concealed weapons on campus.

    They want Liberty's Board of Trustees to amend school policy. Right
    now, if you have a concealed weapons permit, you're not allowed to
    bring a gun to L-U.

    If the rules change, Liberty will be one of only two schools in
    Virginia to allow concealed weapons on school property.

    The Board of Trustees will take up the issue at its next meeting in
    March.

    L-U Chancellor Jerry Fallwell, Junior sits on that board A
    representative says his office is still in the early stages of
    considering the proposal.

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    9. No surprise: paper comes out against self-defense at university
    **************************************************

    My comments imbedded below:

    http://tinyurl.com/3qmw6s

    The News & Advance Lynchburg, VA
    October 16, 2008

    Do students at Liberty University really need to carry concealed
    weapons with them to classes and elsewhere on campus? Do they consider
    life on the growing campus so unsafe that they need a pistol to
    protect themselves as they make their daily rounds? [PVC: Even if the
    campus was the safest in the world, why shouldn't a student or faculty
    member still have the means to protect themselves in case the
    unthinkable happens? Why must we force students and staff to have to
    die if someone like Cho shows up?]

    Those are issues that will be brought to the university's board of
    trustees next year. It's fine for the trustees to consider the
    questions. But let's hope sanity prevails over the discussion. If so,
    the board will either not consider a vote allowing concealed weapons
    or it will vote against the measure.

    The issue came up recently from a student group known as Students for
    Concealed Carry on Campus (SCCC). The group has proposed that students
    who hold permits to carry concealed weapons be allowed to carry those
    weapons on campus.

    The university currently does not allow students - including those
    with concealed carry permits - to carry a gun on campus. And with good
    reason. The presence of concealed weapons on campus can only make life
    on that campus more dangerous. [PVC: Oh, hogwash. Where are the
    statistics or studies to back that up?]

    That has to be part of the reason that students on only a dozen
    campuses nationally are allowed to carry concealed weapons. Most of
    those campuses are in Utah, which is the only state in the nation that
    does not restrict students from carrying concealed weapons on college
    campuses. [PVC: Actually, Virginia does NOT restrict firearms on
    college campuses. The schools themselves have implemented the
    restrictions with threat of loss of job or expulsion for violation of
    their rule.]

    In the aftermath of the massacre at Virginia Tech in April 2007 in
    which a mentally ill student shot and killed 32 students and faculty,
    gun rights advocates argued that allowing students to carry concealed
    weapons could have reduced the number of fatalities.

    Maybe. But at what cost? What about the students and faculty members
    caught in the crossfire between those with legal guns and those with
    illegal guns? [PVC: Hogwash again. Cross-fire: show me where that
    has EVER been a problem in the real world. Just another anti-gun
    fantasy.]

    Virginia Tech continues to forbid the carrying of weapons on its
    campus even by those with concealed weapons permits. [PVC: Non-
    students/non-staff can carry there.] Gov. Timothy M. Kaine has also
    pointed out that legislation that would force universities to allow
    concealed-carry permit holders to bring guns on campus has
    consistently drawn opposition from college administrators. [PVC:
    Yes, because those college administrators simply don't understand the
    issue.]

    For good reason. The addition of more guns on college campuses - even
    those that are carried legally - would only add to the unsafe
    conditions created by the presence of guns. [PVC: Guns, in and of
    themselves, do not make conditions safe or unsafe.] It is not likely
    that the state wants to create armed fortresses in college dormitories
    and classrooms. [PVC: If someone like Cho was storming your
    classroom you would damn well wish that your room could be quickly
    turned into an armed fortress!!!]

    Nor should that be the case in the state's private colleges and
    universities, although those schools are allowed to permit concealed
    weapons if they want guns on their campuses.

    Under Virginia law, students must be at least 21 to apply for a
    concealed handgun permit. Those permits are granted by circuit judges
    based on the applicant's ability to persuade the judge he or she needs
    to have such a permit for security. How would an LU student explain
    the need for a permit to carry such a weapon? [PVC: WHAT?!?!?? Was
    no research done for this? In Virginia you do NOT have to show ANY
    need WHATSOEVER to get a concealed handgun permit. The assumed need
    is that you want to live if you are attacked by a criminal.]

    In agreeing to present the question to the trustees, Chancellor Jerry
    Falwell Jr. said members of Liberty's chapter of the SCCC made the
    request. "I really don't have a good feel for whether our community
    would support it or not," he said. "So I just decided to take it to
    the board."

    Falwell added that leading up to the meeting, which will not be held
    until next March, board members will be provided information gathered
    from students and faculty on the proposal. He said the board would
    also have to consider how difficult the process is to get a permit to
    carry a concealed weapon.

    If campus security is a concern, as the SCCC members have indicated it
    is, Liberty should hire more police with firearms to protect the
    students and faculty. [PVC: Wait a second! Near the beginning of
    this Opinion, the Editors said that more guns would make things more
    dangerous on campus. Now they're saying more guns (in the hands of
    the police) are ok? Guess that's because the police won't be there
    when a tragic incident occurs so their guns won't be used.]

    That would be far more prudent than allowing students and others with
    permits to carry firearms to class. [PVC: All those police at
    Virginia Tech didn't save the 32 innocent lives that were violently
    stolen.]

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    10. VCDL helps kill Hanover's proposed weapons ordinances
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    More coverage on the Hanover rejection of gun-control measures last
    week:

    http://tinyurl.com/6eu6r2

    By Melody Kinser Mechanicsburg Local
    Oct 15, 2008

    Residents speak out - most in opposition - to measures considered by
    supervisors

    Shot down.

    That's what the Hanover County Board of Supervisors did last Wednesday
    night to two ordinances - one including weapons - following a combined
    public hearing that attracted a courtroom full of citizens.

    About 30 residents addressed the supervisors, with most opposing the
    weapons ordinance, as well as a noise ordinance.

    The ordinances - No. 08-23 to prohibit the discharge of weapons within
    the Urban Service Area and within 200 yards of a residence or public
    gathering place outside the Urban Service Area and No. 08-24 to
    include a provision relating to the frequent, habitual or prolonged
    discharge of firearms and to clarify the provisions related to
    enforcement - failed in a unanimous vote shortly after nearly two
    hours of public comment.

    Supervisor Charles D. McGhee of the Henry District, who chaired the
    Weapons Safety Committee, made the motion to "not adopt any changes"
    and "leave in place" existing ordinances, which date back to 1964.

    County Attorney Sterling E. Rives III, who also served on the
    committee, said the supervisors formed a committee to consider both
    issues on Jan. 9.

    During a July 23 workshop, he said the supervisors agreed to change
    the penalty from a Class 1 felony with a $5,000 fine and two-year jail
    term to a misdemeanor with a fine up to $1,000. [PVC: Member Rob
    Seastrom pointed out that the Class 1 felony does not have a two-year
    jail term and $5,000 fine. Reporter may have gotten his facts wrong.]

    The noise issue, stemming from a complaint involving barking dogs,
    became controversial in terms of enforcement.

    Hanover County Sheriff V. Stuart Cook was the first to approach the
    podium. He specifically said he opposed the noise ordinance, with
    support from Commonwealth's Attorney R.E. "Trip" Chalkley, because it
    would be "nearly impossible to enforce or prosecute." He said a
    majority of the county is still rural and questioned how his deputies
    could define or determine frequent or habitual.

    Chalkley followed, saying he too had a "severe problem with the noise
    ordinance. I do not think this law can be successfully prosecuted."
    And, that, he added, "makes it a bad law."

    Hawthorne Davis, who lives in the Cold Harbor District, called the
    measures "quantitive rather than subjective." He said the "200-yard
    thing is unreasonable."

    "Much to my chagrin," Gilbert Elliott said, much of his property in
    the Henry District "lies within the Urban Service Area." He said his
    five acres are zoned agricultural, yet he drives "down two dirt roads
    to get to my house." He noted his Second Amendment rights (to keep and
    bear arms) and said the county should provide free safety classes.

    Jerry Sexton, from the South Anna District, told the supervisors that
    the 200 barking dogs his neighbor has "is abnormal" in expressing
    interest in the noise ordinance.

    Philip Van Cleave of Chesterfield, who serves as president of the
    Virginia Citizens Defense League, said his 4,800-member organization
    is "very concerned about our rights." Ordinances such as those that
    were being proposed, he said, are making it "so difficult to shoot."

    "Totally against" were the words spoken by South Anna District
    resident Donald Talley.

    Bruce Blackley of Montpelier said he moved to Hanover County about 11
    years ago from Northern Virginia. As for the restrictions, he said,
    "This is the thing you could expect to find in Northern Virginia."

    John Ostergren Jr., who resides in the Ashland District, said the
    noise ordinance was "vague and subjective," adding he agreed with the
    sheriff.

    Chris Branson, of the South Anna District, said, "I oppose both of
    them.'

    He cited the matter of dogs barking in the noise ordinance, saying,
    "We're a rural area [so you can expect to hear them]."

    Clarence Hunter Sr., of the Henry District, said he had appeared
    before the Board of Supervisors in January 2007 when he requested an
    amendment after a new neighbor started "target shooting in his back
    yard."

    "Please approve the recommendations," he said, adding there was a
    December 2007 report from the Sheriff's Office concerning several
    complaints.

    Attorney Michael Clower, of Ashland, said he was "very much against
    this ordinance" and called it "a gun rights bill."

    "This is nothing but anti-gun legislation," he added.

    Tom Willett, who lives in the South Anna District, said he was
    "against both ordinances," claiming "Second Amendment encroachment. I
    still believe we should have the right to bear arms."

    Jan Clement, of the Beaverdam District, favored both ordinances,
    saying they "embody safety and common courtesy. It's only a minor
    inconvenience to drive to a shooting range."

    Beaverdam District resident Maurice Redding said it was "a privilege
    and a right to target shoot in Hanover County. I should be able to do
    it wherever hunting is legal."

    "It's a property rights issue," said Scott Greg, of the Henry District.

    In urging opposition to the ordinances, Mark Huffman, of the Henry
    District, pointed out that the membership is full at both shooting
    ranges in the area.

    Glenn Millican, of the Mechanicsville District, talked about the
    "natural wonderful world of the outdoors," saying that archery is a
    family sport.

    The public hearing wrapped up with Rives saying the supervisors had
    the prerogative to approve both ordinances, one or neither.

    And, in the span of minutes, McGhee had made the motion, there was a
    vote and a crowd that often applauded the comments left the auditorium
    - with most feeling victorious.

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    11. Poquoson City Council works to clear invalid ordinances
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    Member Mike Welker works with Poquoson mayor and police chief to
    update city code. This is how we like to see government and citizens
    interacting! Mike wrote:

    "I recently moved to Poquoson, and, while conducting research in
    preparation for November 4th, discovered the City Council had just
    enacted a new ordinance.

    Background: Poquoson had an outdated ordinance banning all loaded
    firearms on city streets, sidewalks, parks, etc. In preparation for
    the impending Poquoson Seafood Festival, our new Police Chief,
    approximately a year ago, requested the invalid ordinance be stricken
    from the code. The Council asked the City Attorney to review it and
    return with a recommendation. This recommendation was passed
    following two readings.

    While preparing for the election, I reviewed the council's previous
    agendas and noticed the reading of a new city ordinance regarding
    "weapons". With a simple email request, the City Clerk forwarded a
    copy of the ordinance, elaborating that the Council was attempting to
    align itself with state code.

    I found issues with most of the new ordinance, and decided to address
    the Council in person last Tuesday (10/14/2008). While unable to
    respond to my interest during the proceedings, nearly every council
    member (and potential members in the audience) approached me after the
    meeting to apologize and thank me for the information on what was
    wrong with the ordinance. The Mayor informed me that the Attorney
    would review my stance, and that the Police Chief would be contacting
    me the next day.

    I spoke with the Chief and following a joint review of 15.2-915 while
    on the phone, he will be recommending to the City Manager that all
    aspects of this ordinance be removed, with wording related to
    enforcing/following the state code replacing it.

    It's reassuring to find this kind of honesty and support after all the
    headaches in Norfolk.

    My kudos to Chief Bowen, Mayor Helsel, and the Poquoson City Council."

    And ours, too!

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    12. Discount for permit holders at Newport News shooting range
    **************************************************

    Member Ed Walker of Williamsburg sent us this item. He wrote:

    "I wanted to pass on an experience I had Sunday at The Marksman in
    Newport News. My brothers from out of town and I went to the range to
    practice and see who would have bragging rights. I have been to
    The Marksman a number of times before, but today I was surprised to
    find that, as a CHP holder, I qualified for a discount!! (this is new
    for them) They gave it to my brothers (who have NY CHP's) as well. It
    worked out to be 25% off the regular rate and made our experience that
    much more enjoyable.

    I thought you might want to post this so others could benefit from not
    only a nice indoor range, but a break in the price of range fees. Who
    doesn't want to save a few bucks, right?
    The staff at The Marksman are top-notch and they have an armorer who
    has done nice work for me in the past."

    The link to their site is below.

    http://www.the-marksman.com/

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    13. How to make FOIA requests in Virginia
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    Sometimes, permit holders have interactions with law enforcement that
    could have gone better. Protection of citizens' rights often hinge on
    what law enforcement knew and when they knew it, and how information
    was transmitted and possibly changed along the way. A powerful tool
    in the hands of citizens is the right to request information from our
    government via the Freedom of Information Act, or FOIA. Here is how
    you can do it.

    Virginia like many states has a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA),
    codified at Va. Code Section 2.2-3700 et seq. You can read it online at

    http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp...37000000000000

    The law provides that all records held by the state government are
    open to public inspection unless the agency can cite a law allowing
    them to deny you access. You can be charged reasonable fees for the
    agency to find the records (memos, papers, emails, recordings,
    drawings, etc.) and copy them for you. But remember that no agency
    must create a record for you.

    As a practical matter, agencies don't want you in their offices
    looking through their files, so most will just copy and mail/email you
    records you request - they have 5 working days to respond to you, and
    if they violate the FOIA, you can sue them to force them to comply and
    if you prevail, court's usually award you your attorney's fees. Just
    ask EM Mike Stollenwerk who sued Mayor Wilder (and former Virginia
    Governor) of Richmond a few years ago for refusing to respond to his
    FOIAs over alleged city polices against gun carry at festivals -
    Mike's attorney got paid almost $3,000 by Richmond.

    Under FOIA, any citizen of Virginia may make a FOIA request. There is
    no format required - it can be verbal, or written, or by email. The
    easiest way to make this requests is a short and clear email to then
    highest official of the target agency likely to be in a position to
    make things happen for you on your FOIA request (e.g., Chief of
    Police, City Manager, County Executive, Mayor, etc.). Take the time
    to keep it simple, business like, and short - nobody likes to read
    long messages that beat around the bush. Sometimes it's helpful to
    give some brief context, but not if it is a complicated story.

    Here is an example for format purposes:

    TO: Mayor@SmallTownVA.gov:

    FROM: MrGunOwner@myISP.com

    SUBJECT: FOIA Request:

    Dear Mayor Big Wig:

    This is a FOIA request for records (including emails, 911 recordings,
    etc.) held by SmallTown pertaining to the dispatching of police to the
    SmallTown park on Saturday, October 11, 2008 at approximately 4 PM,
    and/or any record of a SmallTown policy banning gun carry at town parks.

    I was at the park at the time referenced above walking to my car with
    my kids after feeding the ducks at the lake and 2 police cruisers and
    some town employees approached me. The police got out and told me it
    was good I was leaving because I was carrying a holstered handgun in
    violation of park rules. After some brief discussion, the police
    acknowledged that I broke no law but informed me that there was a
    SmallTown policy that gun carry was not allowed and that if I had
    refused to leave, I could be charged with trespassing.

    Please respond within 5 days as required by the FOIA, unless you
    expect the cost to me for these records to exceed $20, in which case,
    notify me of the estimated cost of this request prior to any
    production of records. Delivery of these records to me by way of
    Email is acceptable to me if convenient for you.

    Sincerely,

    Gun Owner
    101 Main St.
    SmallTown, VA 22399
    (703) 555-2345

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    14. D.C.-area tourist attacked with knife at NC Dismal Swamp state park
    **************************************************

    The reporter captured a key concept, saying some tourists remind us,
    " ... as beautiful as this area is, you have to remember you're never
    completely safe."

    http://tinyurl.com/4hqfy6

    Tuesday, October 14, 2008
    by: Wayne Carter WVEC-TV 13 Norfolk

    Police are searching an area near the Great Dismal Swamp for the
    suspect in an assault and attempted robbery.

    That attack happened Sunday afternoon at the welcome center on Route
    17 in Camden County, North Carolina.

    Police say the female victim was grabbed and cut with a knife.
    Authorities say the suspect may have been in the area for some time.
    Video: Woman knifed on Dismal Swamp nature trail
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    13 News has learned that the man was spotted by hikers weeks ago and
    reported to park rangers. He's described as wearing white high tops
    and camoflage shorts.

    North Carolina state park rangers criss-crossed the Intracoastal
    Waterway that borders the Dismal Swamp, searching for the man who
    caused them to shut down the nature trail for the first time ever.

    "Its one of the primary trails and we've had a very safe record so
    far," said Ranger Joy Greenwood of North Carolina's Dismal Swamp State
    Park.

    All that changed Sunday when a woman traveling to North Carolina from
    Maryland stopped here and took a walk along the trail. That's when she
    says a man rushed up demanded money, and cut her with a knife.

    "I was worried about snakes, but I was not worried about attackers,"
    said Karen Friel, who is from the DC area. She drove down with her
    daughter to explore the same trails now being searched.

    "We came to see the Dismal Swamp and it's a beautiful day. I'm sorry
    things like that happened," said Friel.

    Besides the boat patrols, officers went on foot too, saying even
    though this same man has been spotted in the area before, had never
    made such a violent move. Rangers think he's still out there somewhere
    in the huge Great Dismal Swamp.

    "The canal is one of the escape routes, so unless he swam, he's still
    up in there," said Greenwood.

    While that search continues, those stopping through are definitely
    more cautious, saying as beautiful as this area is, you have to
    remember you're never completely safe.

    "It was very much on my mind, when I stop something might happen. I
    think all of us have to be careful. You just don't know," said tourist
    Elizabeth McNally.

    Authorities on Tuesday released a sketch of a man wanted for
    questioning in the case. If you can help identify him, call the Camden
    County Sheriff's Office at 252-338-5046 or the NC State Park Office at
    252-771-6593.

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    15. Police Officer gives useful insight of traffic stops of a permit
    holder
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    We don't have a link for this article, which was received via email
    from a member:

    --

    Pulled Over While Carrying... By J. Peters

    I am a cop. I stop you for a violation of motor vehicle code or law.
    You have a weapon. You have a concealed weapons permit.

    What happens now?

    I am writing this article as a cop. I am and have been that armed
    citizen, but that is not what I want to focus on. I am writing this
    article as a guide to dealing with us cops. Now, everyone has a story
    about cops. A large majority of those stories may not be what one
    could describe as "the most wonderful and joyous occasion in recent
    memory".

    Realizing that we are always judged as a group, I try not to be "one
    of those cops". I have a background in the Marine Corps and grew up
    shooting and hunting from my earliest memories. My part time job (most
    cops have some other gig) is working in a local gun shop selling
    firearms.

    I do not question the armed citizen's reasons behind carrying a gun. I
    understand and promote the concept of an armed and educated citizenry.
    There are differences in how you and I carry and employ weapons and
    how we may be involved in a deadly force encounter, but that isn't
    what I want to focus on either.

    My goal here is to provide food for thought when dealing with a police
    encounter on the street or in your vehicle, while you are armed. I
    want to do this from my prospective as it may help you to understand
    it better. Sometimes in order to see things clearly, we have to see it
    from the reverse angle.

    Where I work and live, in Michigan, folks who have a concealed pistol
    license are required to inform the officer stopping them that they
    have a weapon with/on them. They can be subject to a civil infraction
    fine if they do not disclose this information. When not carrying the
    weapon, they need not do this.

    I realize that other states may not require this disclosure to be
    made. Some people may say that it is none of my business whether or
    not you have your weapon on you or in your car. To a certain extent, I
    can understand this. It seems intrusive when you are stopped and
    detained on a traffic offense. It certainly seems intrusive when you
    get a ticket right?

    My question is why not tell the officer? What do you have to lose by
    telling me that you have your weapon on you?

    Are you lawfully carrying your weapon? Yes.

    Is that the reason I stopped you? No.

    What are the ramifications of the officer knowing that you have your
    weapon on you (lawfully)? Well, I have heard many stories about cops
    doing things such as taking possession of the weapon during the course
    of the traffic stop. I have heard of officers who may instruct the
    weapon to be placed in a visible spot in the vehicle until the stop is
    concluded.

    I have heard all sorts of stories about the cops that don't even know
    how to unload a different weapon than the one that they carry. I do
    not do any of these things, and I would not recommend these practices
    to other officers.

    Truth be told, I very rarely come into contact with concealed pistol
    licensees in general. Why? CCW people just don't break the law that
    much. Upon occasion, I have stopped those with weapons permits in my
    jurisdiction.

    My concerns when approaching the vehicle are primarily the occupants
    of the car. Traffic is always a secondary concern as is the rest of
    the environment of the stop, but that is my problem, not necessarily
    yours.

    What I look for may be the positioning of the hands. What I like to
    see is both hands visible. A good place for the driver is on the
    wheel, 10 and 2 if you will. It is easy for me to see this as I
    approach from either side of the vehicle.

    Passengers in a vehicle who may be armed can place their hands in
    their laps if possible. This may seem somewhat remedial, but you would
    not believe how many people start digging in their vehicle like they
    were mining for gold.

    Picture yourself in my situation; just clearing an intensive domestic
    assault call or stand off with a suicidal subject and my first traffic
    stop afterwards is searching frantically around the car for god knows
    what.

    1. Don't dig around...

    Don't dig around looking for your paperwork, that French fry you
    dropped when the lights came on or your kid's pacifier. I do not enjoy
    putting you at gunpoint. It is stressful for both of us. We can avoid
    this problem by staying put and keep our hands comfortably visible.

    I say 'stay put'; I mean stay in the vehicle. I realize that some
    jurisdictions may ask you to step from the vehicle. Do so when asked.
    Again, this may seem remedial, but someone who exits a car, without
    being asked, on a traffic stop gives an impression that he is either
    going to do us harm or run from us.

    2. Eye Contact...

    Make eye contact with the officer. Nothing says "I'm crazy" or "I have
    something to hide" like the 1000 yard stare down the roadway. This
    behavior has led to several searches, arrests, and some altercations
    upon further investigation.

    3. Smile!

    Like Mr. Rourke of Fantasy Island was fond of saying "Smiles
    everybody, smiles!" Make eye contact and smile. It will let the
    officer know that he can communicate with you.

    4. Keep it hidden...

    If you have the gun lying on the seat next to you or in plain sight,
    plan on having that muzzle related talk mentioned earlier. We know
    that an action beats a reaction almost every time. A visible weapon is
    an accessible weapon to a suspect. Concealed Carry means CONCEALED.
    Unless regulated by statute, I do not want to see your weapon. It
    would seem obvious, but even if you know this officer, this is no time
    to play a prank or joke.

    I don't come to your work area and play practical jokes on you, do not
    do it to me. Your motives may be playful but the results could be
    devastating to you and the officer. I have had people do this before.
    For the life of me I do not know why and the resulting opinion is that
    the officer is a jerk for not getting the joke.

    5. Take it easy...

    No sudden movements to see if he is paying attention. No furtive
    movements to joke around.This may not be a potential lethal force
    encounter to you. It is to us, all of the time.

    6. When do you tell him?

    The time to inform the officer is upon his greeting. Do not say "I
    have a gun". Never utter this phrase. Never utter any variation of
    this phrase. There is no good that can come from that phrase when said
    to an officer. All we hear is "have a gun" and the rest is implied.
    The highway can be a noisy place and we may not hear everything you
    said.

    7. How do you tell him?

    Greet him and tell him you have a concealed weapons permit and the
    weapon is on your person/in the car.

    8. Hand your permit...

    Hand him your permit with your operator's license and any required
    paperwork like your registration and proof of insurance. The officer
    will likely ask where the weapon is. Tell him. There is no reason not
    to as long as you are abiding by local and state laws. Do not reach
    for the weapon unless asked to do so. Most officers, me included will
    not tell you to do this.

    9. Then what?

    The officer will most likely tell you very specifically to stay put or
    give further instructions based on training, experience, and
    departmental guidelines or operating procedures. Bear in mind that
    some agencies may have procedures and some may not. If you feel that
    action was taken that was unnecessary or infringed on your rights,
    check into the existence of a guideline or policy in the department
    involved.

    If you are polite and proper, you may just even get out of a citation.
    You may not agree with the citation. This is not the time for that
    discussion. There are hearings for that. Even if you get a citation,
    thank the officer and be on your way. Take him to court to air your
    grievances.

    Remember that you are a representative of all the concealed weapons
    permit holders out there, just as we are all the same cops. You have a
    responsibility to your fellow armed citizens to act in a manner that
    reflects well on your peers.

    A bad incident involving a permit holder will resound with all the
    power that the media can muster. Your good behavior will not make
    headlines on a regular basis what so ever, but you may save the day
    once in your life.

    In that respect, we are a lot alike.

    J. Peters is a Law Enforcement Officer with over 10 years experience
    as certified officer, and was in the USMC Reserves from 1989-1998.


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    16. Will Guns Sink Obama in Va.?
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    http://tinyurl.com/487rmy

    By Tim Craig
    Washington Post Oct 13, 2008

    The Brady Campaign To Prevent Gun Violence announced today it is
    endorsing Sen. Barack Obama's (D-Ill) presidential campaign.

    "Senators Obama and Biden know that we make it too easy for dangerous
    people to get dangerous weapons in this country," Brady President Paul
    Helmke said in a statement. "They know that our weak gun laws have too
    many loopholes, which lead to over 30,000 deaths and 70,000 injuries
    from guns every year."

    But in a state like Virginia, which his home to the National Rifle
    Association and more than one million hunters, the endorsement carries
    considerable risk. The NRA, which has endorsed GOP nominee John
    McCain, is already running ads in Virginia noting that Obama once
    supported a ban on handguns in Chicago.

    And if Obama has made any gains in rural Virginia, it will be tempting
    for Republicans to use the Brady Campaign endorsement to undercut
    Obama on the gun issue.

    According to the Associated Press, Obama supported a ban on all forms
    of semiautomatic weapons and other restrictions on firearms when he
    was in the Illinois legislature. Obama now says he is a strong
    supporter of the 2nd amendment and will not, as president, seek to
    interfere with an individuals' right to own a gun for hunting and self-
    protection.

    Last year, a legislative committee in Virginia easily defeated an
    effort by Gov. Timothy M. Kaine (D) to close the so-called gun show
    loophole in the aftermath of the Virginia Tech shootings. The
    bipartisan vote sparked little public outcry, reinforcing Virginia's
    reputation as a place where gun control doesn't sell.

    But in a Washington Post poll last year, nearly six in 10 Virginia
    residents say they think the United States should have tougher gun
    control laws There is a large gender gap on this issue: Nearly seven
    in 10 women favor stricter gun laws, while men are split evenly

    Last year, however, former state senator Jeannemarie Devolites Davis
    (R) campaigned on the gun control issue in Fairfax County but she
    still lost her race. Democratic senate candidate Janet Oleszek also
    ran on the gun issue in Fairfax County - she was even endorsed by
    several families of the Virginia Tech victims - but she also lost.

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    17. Anti-Gun-Rights Candidate Could Gut "Heller" Decision
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    New book from Bloomfield Press and GunLaws.com details correlation
    between Obama record and Brady Campaign objectives.

    Anti-Gun-Rights Candidate Could Gut "Heller" Decision

    Now that Barack Obama has received the endorsement of the Brady
    Campaign gun-control group, will the Supreme Court's findings in the
    D.C. gun-ban "Heller" case matter?

    That's the question experts are asking in the wake of Obama's 11th-
    hour support from America's leading gun-ban advocates. The late-date
    endorsement was conspicuously absent from most large news outlets.
    Those groups have repeatedly claimed that anti-gun-rights agendas were
    a key issue in the Democrat election defeats of 2000 and 2004.

    "Obama publicly supported Washington D.C.'s total gun ban until the
    Supreme Court's 'Heller' case voided it," says Alan Korwin, co-author
    of "The Heller Case: Gun Rights Affirmed," which was just released
    (see below for news-media review copies). "His opposition to gun
    rights is well known and carefully documented in the new book," he
    said. Obama swiftly reversed his position after the High Court found
    that gun rights belong to individuals, a point also documented in the
    new book.

    "Before the ban was overturned, Mr. Obama supported the position of
    the Court's dissenters -- that gun bans are fine and the Second
    Amendment in the Bill of Rights does not protect people, it protects
    'collective rights' of states," Korwin notes. That position had little
    to support it in the historical record, but was favored by people
    seeking to ban firearms from public hands. The "collective rights"
    theory, a recent creation, was dismissed with ridicule by the Court
    (equating it to Alice in Wonderland). The Amendment itself speaks of
    "the security of a free state," and "the right of the people."

    As the first book released about the landmark gun-rights decision,
    "The Heller Case: Gun Rights Affirmed" describes the events leading up
    to the case, and precisely what the Court said, word-for-word and in
    plain English. If Obama follows the Court's decree, the civil rights
    of the general public should be fairly well safeguarded with respect
    to owning and using firearms.

    If he instead follows the lead of his endorsers in the Brady Campaign,
    gun rights as America has known them for more than two centuries could
    easily end. His campaign positions so far suggest the latter, if he is
    elected. His widely available voting record is 100% consistent --
    voting for every restriction on law-abiding gun use, and against every
    proposed protection for innocent individuals.

    Virtually all recent gun-law proposals fall into those two categories
    -- bans on honest ownership and rights, or support for honest
    ownership and rights. New laws targeting criminals are rare, since
    every imaginable criminal activity with guns is already against the
    law and carries severe penalties.

    The only thing left, according to leading experts, is to ban guns for
    non-criminals, a policy choice adopted in some circles. Gun bans on
    criminals have had embarrassingly little effect on street gangs, the
    drug war and career criminals in general. Facing abject failure of
    crime-related social policies, and unable to disarm criminals, many
    politicians are turning instead to civil-disarmament schemes. Working
    against this trend, "Disarm Criminals First" says one campaign slogan
    in the Marksmanship Movement.

    The three publicly announced elements of the Brady-Obama anti-gun
    positions include 1- Ban the freedom to sell firearms from one
    innocent person to another, euphemistically called the "gun-show
    loophole"; 2- Allow all law enforcement officers to fish through gun-
    dealer records looking for paperwork or other violations, and compile
    data as they see fit, euphemistically known as "repealing the Tiahart
    Amendment" (which prevents them from doing so currently); and 3-
    permanently ban an enormous list of perfectly legal firearms and
    accessories based on looks, names and operating characteristics,
    euphemistically called an "assault-weapons ban."

    First, knowledgeable observers know assault is a type of behavior, not
    a type of hardware, plus the ban seeks to outlaw all semiautomatic
    firearms. Second, it's already completely illegal for criminals to buy
    firearms under any circumstances, so the proposed private-sale ban
    would only affect innocent citizens. And third, the Tiahart Amendment
    protects the innocent from government registries and abuse, so all
    three proposals, as noted above, have virtually no effect on stopping
    crime, but do crush freedoms Americans currently enjoy.

    A long wish list of other gun-freedom repeals have been previously
    announced by Brady, Obama and their supporters, but have not shown up
    in the candidate's platform yet. See some of them here:

    http://www.gunlaws.com/PageNineIndex.htm

    and many more here:

    http://www.gunlaws.com/Left-wing%20Gun%20Plan.htm

    including (as listed during the Clinton administration):

    THE FIVE YEAR PLAN:

    1. National Licensing of all handgun purchases.

    2. Licenses for Rifle and Shotgun owners.

    3. State Licenses for ownership of firearms.

    4. Arsenal Licenses (5 guns and 250 rounds of ammunition).

    5. Arsenal License Fees (at least $300.00, with a cap of $1,000.00).

    6. Limits on Arsenal Licensing (None in counties with populations of
    more than 200,000).

    7. Requirement of Federally Approved Storage Safes for all guns.

    8. Inspection License. (Gun safe licenses, yearly fee for spot
    inspections).

    9. Ban on Manufacturing in counties with a population of more than
    200,000.

    10. Banning all military style firearms.

    11. Banning Machine Gun Parts or parts which can be used in a Machine
    gun.

    12. Banning the carrying a firearm anywhere but home or target range
    or in transit from one to the other.

    13. Banning replacement parts (manufacturing, sale, possession,
    transfer, installation) except barrel, trigger group.

    14. Elimination of the Curio Relic list.

    15. Control of Ammunition belonging to Certain Surplus Firearms.
    (7.62x54R and .303).

    16. Eventual Ban of Handgun Possession.

    17. Banning of Any ammo that fits military guns (post 1945).

    18. Banning of any quantity of smokeless powder or black powder which
    would constitute more than the equivalent of 100 rounds of ammunition.

    19. Ban the possession of explosive powders of more than 1 kg. at any
    one time.

    20. Banning of High Powered Ammo or Wounding ammo.

    21. A National License for Ammunition.

    22. Banning or strict licensing of all re-loading components.

    23. National Registration of ammunition or ammo buyers.

    24. Requirements of special storage safe for ammunition and licensing.

    25. Restricting Gun Ranges to counties with populations less than
    200,000.

    26. Special Licensing of ranges.

    27. Special Range Tax to visitors. ($85.00 per visit per person).

    28. Waiting period for rentals on pistol ranges.

    29. Banning Gun Shows.

    30. Banning of military reenactments.

    PLUS:

    Ban of all clips holding over 6 bullets.

    Elimination of the Dept. of Civilian Marksmanship.

    Ban on all realistic replica and toy guns (including "air soft" and
    paintball).

    The right of gun-violence victims to sue, with financial assistance
    from government programs, the gun manufacturers.

    Taxes on ammo, dealers, guns, licenses to offset medical costs to
    society.

    The eventual ban on all semi-automatics regardless of when made or
    caliber.

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    18. Obama's History in the Illinois Senate
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    Passed on from the Illinois State Rifle Association:

    --

    Obama's History in the Illinois Senate

    Hello, my name is Rich Pearson and I have been active in the firearm
    rights movement for over 40 years. For the past 15 years, I have
    served in the Illinois state capitol as the chief lobbyist for the
    Illinois State Rifle Association.

    I lobbied Barack Obama extensively while he was an Illinois State
    Senator. As a result of that experience, I know Obama's attitudes
    toward guns and gun owners better than anyone. The truth be told, in
    all my years in the Capitol I have never met a legislator who harbors
    more contempt for the law-abiding firearm owner than does Barack Obama.

    Although Obama claims to be an advocate for the 2nd Amendment, his
    voting record in the Illinois Senate paints a very different picture.
    While a state senator, Obama voted for a bill that would ban nearly
    every hunting rifle, shotgun and target rifle owned by Illinois
    citizens. That same bill would authorize the state police to raid
    homes of gun owners to forcibly confiscate banned guns. Obama
    supported a bill that would shut down law-abiding firearm
    manufacturers including Springfield Armory, Armalite, Rock River Arms
    and Les Baer. Obama also voted for a bill that would prohibit law-
    abiding citizens from purchasing more than one gun per month.

    Without a doubt, Barack Obama has proven himself to be an enemy of the
    law abiding firearm owner. At the same time, Obama has proven himself
    to be a friend to the hardened criminal. While a state senator, Obama
    voted 4 times against legislation that would allow a homeowner to use
    a firearm in defense of home and family.

    Does Barack Obama still sound to you like a friend of the law-abiding
    gun owner?

    And speaking of friends, you can always tell a person by the company
    they keep. Obama counts among his friends the Rev. Michael Pfleger - a
    renegade Chicago priest who has openly called for the murder of gun
    shop owners and pro-gun legislators. Then there is his buddy Richard
    Daley, the mayor of Chicago who has declared that if it were up to
    him, nobody would be allowed to own a gun. And lets not forget Obamas
    pal George Soros - the guy who has pumped millions of dollars into the
    UNs international effort to disarm law-abiding citizens.

    Obama has shown that he is more than willing to use other peoples
    money to fund his campaign to take your guns away from you. While a
    board member of the leftist Joyce Foundation, Barack Obama wrote
    checks for tens of millions of dollars to extremist gun control
    organizations such as the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence
    and the Violence Policy Center.

    Does Barack Obama still sound to you like a friend of the law-abiding
    gun owner?

    By now, Im sure that many of you have received mailings from an
    organization called American Hunters and Shooters Association(AHSA)
    talking about what a swell fellow Obama is and how he honors the 2nd
    Amendment and how you will never have to worry about Obama coming to
    take your guns. Let me make it perfectly clear - everything the AHSA
    says about Obama is pure hogwash. The AHSA is headed by a group of
    left-wing elitists who subscribe to the British view of hunting and
    shooting. That is, a state of affairs where hunting and shooting are
    reserved for the wealthy upper-crust who can afford guided hunts on
    exclusive private reserves. The AHSA is not your friend, never will be.

    In closing, Id like to remind you that Im a guy who has actually gone
    nose to nose with Obama on gun rights issues. The Obama I know cannot
    even begin to identify with this nations outdoor traditions. The Obama
    I know sees you, the law abiding gun owner, as nothing but a low-class
    lummox who is easily swayed by the flash of a smile and a ration of
    rosy rhetoric. The Obama I know is a stony-faced liar who has honed
    his skill at getting what he wants - so long as people are willing to
    give it to him.

    Thats the Barack Obama I know.

    The ISRA is the state's leading advocate of safe, lawful and
    responsible firearms ownership. Founded in 1903, the ISRA has
    represented the interests of millions of law-abiding Illinois firearm
    owners.

    WEB SITE: http://www.isra.org
    SOURCE Illinois State Rifle Association

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    19. FBI: Justifiable homicides at highest in more than a decade
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    http://tinyurl.com/3pqasp

    By Kevin Johnson, USA TODAY
    Oct 14, 2008

    The number of justifiable homicides committed by police and private
    citizens has been rising in the past two years to their highest levels
    in more than a decade, reflecting a shoot-first philosophy in dealing
    with crime, say law enforcement analysts.

    The 391 killings by police that were ruled justifiable in 2007 were
    the most since 1994, FBI statistics show. The 254 killings by private
    individuals found to be self-defense were the most since 1997.

    The FBI says a homicide committed by a private citizen is justified
    when a person is slain during the commission of a felony, such as a
    burglary or robbery. Police are justified, the FBI says, when felons
    are killed while the officer is acting in the line of duty. Rulings on
    these deaths are usually made by the local police agencies involved.

    Some law enforcement analysts say the numbers represent changing
    attitudes on the streets, where police have felt more threatened by
    well-armed offenders, and citizens have taken greater responsibility
    for their own safety.

    Northeastern University criminal justice professor James Alan Fox
    describes an emerging "shoot-first" mentality by police and private
    citizens. For several years, police departments have armed their
    officers with higher-powered weapons to keep pace with criminal gangs.
    "Clearly there is a message out there that citizens may be able to
    defend themselves" as well, he says.

    Alfred Blumstein, a Carnegie Mellon University criminologist, says the
    gun "legalization movement" also may have helped create a "greater
    willingness" among citizens to act in self-defense.

    Forty-eight states provide various rights to carry firearms. Illinois
    and Wisconsin do not, according to the National Rifle Association. In
    a landmark decision, the Supreme Court in June carved out a right to
    individual gun ownership, ruling that the Second Amendment allows
    citizens to keep guns in their homes for self-defense.

    The NRA and other analysts say most laws allowing gun possession have
    existed for years and would not likely account for a recent spike in
    self-defense killings.

    Instead, Wayne LaPierre, the NRA's executive vice president and chief
    executive officer, says the Sept. 11 attacks and the widespread
    looting and violence after Hurricane Katrina spurred some people to
    take more responsibility for their own safety.

    Immediately after those events, LaPierre says the group's gun-safety
    trainers reported "big increases" in NRA-sponsored courses. "Americans
    are simply refusing to be victims," he says.

    Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck says the FBI
    underestimates self-defense killings by citizens because the ones that
    are not precipitated by felony crimes may not get counted. "Less than
    a third of (citizen killings) are reported," he says.

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    20. Madonna's Controversial Gun Shoes
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    http://tinyurl.com/5ne6cp

    Female First (UK) 14-10-2008

    Madonna ensured all eyes were on her feet when she stepped out in
    these amazing Chanel gun heel shoes in last night.

    The singer was attending the screening of her new film, Filth And
    Wisdom, in which she makes her directional debut, in New York.

    She wore a simple black dress to avoid taking attention away from her
    heels.

    However the shoes have caused some controversy with murder victims'
    group, Mothers Against Murder And Aggression (MAMAA), branding Madonna
    uncaring.

    Lyn Costello, from MAMAA told Metro: "I am horrified that Madonna can
    see these shoes as fashion.

    "As a mother herself I would have thought that she would have paused
    for a second and thought about all the young people here and in her
    own country that have died because of gun crime.

    "It's uncaring. Surely she reads the news and realises that young
    people are dying every day." [PVC: Yes, and I'll bet that Lynn and
    other MAMAA members continues to drive their cars, too. Cars are
    responsible for more deaths of teenagers than guns! How horrifying,
    how uncaring of MAMAA!]

    Chanel's Karl Lagerfeld was apparently inspired by an image of a gun
    which he gave to Chanel's shoe designer Laurence Decade, and told him
    to make a shoe.

    The 'Miami Vice' shoe was first seen on the catwalk, and those designs
    were made of actual gun casings, painted silver, black, and gold. But
    the designs being made for Chanel boutiques are made of Plexiglas.

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    21. Gun shows and events!
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    The Virginia Citizens Defense League thanks the following member-
    activists who generously gave of their time to advance and help defend
    the rights of their fellow gun owners by working our recruiting and
    information booth at the ODGS gun show in Dale City, October 4-5:

    Peter Evans, Helen Evans, Keith Dingwall, Tori Dingwall, Vin
    Miragliotta, Jerry Coffey, David Park, and Daniel Paulson

    As an all volunteer organization, VCDL depends on YOU to volunteer
    your time at our area events, where we recruit new activists and keep
    gun owners informed. No experience necessary; if it's your first time
    we'll pair you with a veteran volunteer. To find out more about
    helping at our gun show tables, go to:

    http://www2.vcdl.org/cgi-bin/wspd_cgi.sh/vcdl/gs.html

    and click on any of the blue links, or contact the coordinator for the
    show/event listed below with which you are interested in helping.

    Here are the upcoming events with which we need YOUR help:


    a. FREDERICKSBURG http://www.guns-knives.com, October 25-26

    Saturday, October 25 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
    Sunday, October 26 10:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.

    Contact Robert Herron at Fredericksburggunshows@vcdl.org to help in
    Fredericksburg.


    b. ROANOKE http://www.showmasters.us, October 25-26

    Saturday, October 25 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
    Sunday, October 26 9:00 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. 12:30 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.

    Please contact Al Steed, Jr. at SWVAgunshows@vcdl.org to help in
    Roanoke.


    c. DALE CITY http://www.olddominionshows.com, November 1-2

    Saturday, November 1 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
    Sunday, November 2 9:00 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. 12:30 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.

    Please contact Danny Paulson at NOVAgunshows@vcdl.org to help in Dale
    City.


    d. NORFOLK http://www.showmasters.us, November 1-2

    Saturday, November 1 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
    Sunday, November 2 10:00 a.m. - 1:30 p.m. 1:30 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.

    Please contact Ed Burton at Norfolkgunshows@vcdl.org to help at the
    Norfolk Scope.


    e. RICHMOND http://www.showmasters.us, November 15-16

    Saturday, November 15 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
    Sunday, November 16 9:00 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. 12:30 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.

    Contact Audrey Muehleisen at CentralVAgunshows@vcdl.org to help at the
    Richmond Raceway Complex.


    f. CHANTILLY http://www.cegunshows.com, November 21-23

    Friday, November 21 3:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m. Saturday, November 22 9:00
    a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, November 23 10:00 a.m.
    - 1:30 p.m. 1:30 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.

    Please contact Danny Paulson at NOVAgunshows@vcdl.org to help in
    Chantilly.


    g. HAMPTON http://www.guns-knives.com, November 29-30

    Saturday, November 29 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
    Sunday, November 30 10:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.

    Please contact Ron Lilly at HamptonRoadsgunshows@vcdl.org to help in
    Hampton.


    h. DALE CITY http://www.olddominionshows.com, December 6-7

    Saturday, December 6 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
    Sunday, December 7 9:00 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. 12:30 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.

    Please contact Danny Paulson at NOVAgunshows@vcdl.org to help in Dale
    City.


    i. RICHMOND http://www.cegunshows.com, December 6-7

    Saturday, December 6 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
    Sunday, December 7 10:00 a.m. - 1:30 p.m. 1:30 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.

    Contact Audrey Muehleisen at CentralVAgunshows@vcdl.org to help at the
    Showplace in Mechanicsville.


    j. HARRISONBURG http://www.showmasters.us, December 13-14

    Saturday, December 13 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
    Sunday, December 14 10:00 a.m. - 1:30 p.m. 1:30 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.

    Please contact Bob Schmidt at Shenandoahgunshows@vcdl.org to help in
    Harrisonburg.


    k. FREDERICKSBURG http://www.guns-knives.com, December 13-14

    Saturday, December 13 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
    Sunday, December 14 10:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.

    Contact Robert Herron at Fredericksburggunshows@vcdl.org to help in
    Fredericksburg.


    l. SALEM http://www.cegunshows.com, December 20-21

    Saturday, December 20 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
    Sunday, December 21 10:00 a.m. - 1:30 p.m. 1:30 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.

    Please contact Al Steed, Jr. at SWVAgunshows@vcdl.org to help in Salem.


    m. FISHERSVILLE http://www.showmasters.us, December 27-28

    Saturday, December 27 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
    Sunday, December 28 10:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.

    Please contact Bob Schmidt at Shenandoahgunshows@vcdl.org to help in
    Fishersville.


    n. VIRGINIA BEACH http://www.guns-knives.com, December 27-28

    Saturday, December 27 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
    Sunday, December 28 10:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.

    Please contact Ron and Jean Hyson at VBgunshows@vcdl.org to help in
    Virginia Beach.


    o. ROANOKE http://www.showmasters.us, January 3-4, 2009 Saturday,
    January 3 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, January
    4 9:00 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. 12:30 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.

    Please contact Al Steed, Jr. at SWVAgunshows@vcdl.org to help in
    Roanoke.


    p. HAMPTON http://www.guns-knives.com, January 24-25, 2009

    Saturday, January 24 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
    Sunday, January 25 10:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.

    Please contact Ron Lilly at HamptonRoadsgunshows@vcdl.org to help in
    Hampton.


    q. RICHMOND http://www.showmasters.us, February 7-8

    Saturday, February 7 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
    Sunday, February 8 9:00 a.m. - 12:30 p.m. 12:30 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.

    Contact Audrey Muehleisen at CentralVAgunshows@vcdl.org to help at the
    Richmond Raceway Complex.


    r. CHANTILLY http://www.cegunshows.com, February 13-15

    Friday, February 13 3:00 p.m. - 8:00 p.m. Saturday, February 14 9:00
    a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m. Sunday, February 15 10:00 a.m.
    - 1:30 p.m. 1:30 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.

    Please contact Danny Paulson at NOVAgunshows@vcdl.org to help in
    Chantilly.


    s. VIRGINIA BEACH http://www.guns-knives.com, February 28-March 1

    Saturday, February 28 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 5:00 p.m.
    Sunday, March 1 10:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. 1:00 p.m. - 4:00 p.m.

    Please contact Ron and Jean Hyson at VBgunshows@vcdl.org to help in
    Virginia Beach.

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    (VCDL). VCDL is an all-volunteer, non-partisan grassroots organization
    dedicated to defending the human rights of all Virginians. The Right to
    Keep and Bear Arms is a fundamental human right.

    VCDL web page: http://www.vcdl.org
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