Matai wrote:Basically, the "round in a firing position" definition applies to most situations. The latter "possess of both" definition really only applies as an enhancement for felons and gang members. Just don't mug someone or join a gang and you don't even have to worry about the latter definition.I have a Utah CFP (fat lot of good it does me in Cali!) and I normally carry a Springfield XD 9mm sub-compact which is semi-auto. If I want to carry that gun in a city in California, like Modesto, it seems like you really have to be careful to know whether the law considers your gun "loaded" or "unloaded". As I read it, in some cases you're unloaded if the chamber is empty and the magazine is out of the gun. In other cases, you cannot carry a loaded magazine at the same time you're carrying the gun.
So, which is which? When can you carry a gun and ammo (separately) and when can you NOT carry the ammo, too?
Judging by your questions, I get the feeling you might be planning a trip down here. If so, don't post any details. Local LE are 'on the hunt' trying to find one of us 'slipping up' so they can 'make an example of' that person. We also know they read the forums here. No need to give them any information.
If you are going to be around, and you want a free cup of coffee, PM me. I'd love to get a few locals together to exercise our rights.