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    Video link: http://www.wvec.com/video/index.html?nvid=295402

    You can also read about it on Wavy.com as well.

    Article link on Wavy: http://www.wavy.com/global/story.asp...srvc=leadstory

    I find it oddly distressing yet laughable that someone can be that incredibly dense. :shock:

    I'm dumbfounded.

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    The NICS system works, especially on stupid criminals. :celebrate

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    OC-Glock19 wrote:
    The NICS system works, especially on stupid criminals. :celebrate
    I wouldn't hold your breath he is charged with trying to buy a firearm or anything related to firearms.

    We like having the laws, we don't like using them

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    hsmith wrote:
    OC-Glock19 wrote:
    The NICS system works, especially on stupid criminals. :celebrate
    I wouldn't hold your breath he is charged with trying to buy a firearm or anything related to firearms.

    We like having the laws, we don't like using them
    No likey the linkie??
    Police say he proceeded to filled out the State Police Application required in Virginia to purchase a gun. Once his application was completed, he was advised that the application had to go through the Virginia State Police Firearms Transaction Center and it would take an hour or so to be verified. Roberts decided not to wait, and left a telephone number where he could be contacted.
    Classic dumbass criminal......left his contact info.....guess he thought 'we don't like using them' too.

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    razor_baghdad wrote:
    hsmith wrote:
    OC-Glock19 wrote:
    The NICS system works, especially on stupid criminals. :celebrate
    I wouldn't hold your breath he is charged with trying to buy a firearm or anything related to firearms.

    We like having the laws, we don't like using them
    No likey the linkie??
    Police say he proceeded to filled out the State Police Application required in Virginia to purchase a gun. Once his application was completed, he was advised that the application had to go through the Virginia State Police Firearms Transaction Center and it would take an hour or so to be verified. Roberts decided not to wait, and left a telephone number where he could be contacted.
    Classic dumbass criminal......left his contact info.....guess he thought 'we don't like using them' too.
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    Seeing as how he is wanted for murder in maryland I doubt that the VA police want to worry with fighting Maryland over being able to prosecute him for a firearms violation.

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    I've been in a gun shop when someone with a warrant out for them tried to buy a gun. They filled out the form, stood there while the guy ran the info and then something on the clerks face must have given it away (perhaps a ) and the fella trying to buy the gun just took off out the door.

    I was about to ask what happened, but the clerk called the police and I got to hear his explanation first hand...not sure if they caught that guy, but some people just aren't that bright...can you imagine being wanted and handing your name and address to someone to put into a CRIMINAL BACKGROUND database?

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    I was under the impression that it came back with either an "approved" or a "disapproved" status.

    There are widespread reports that this system often takes quite a bit longer than advertised, it seems that rather than come back with a "disapproved" status in cases of wanted persons, they should just delay the report (even if the system is not running slowly at that time) and dispatch someone to the site to take the person into custody.

    I'm sure there are a number of ways this situation could be better handled.

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    I just saw the video from Bob's of the takedown. In some ways, it's too bad that this guy didn't get his gun. Then Darwin would have prevailed.
    A law-abiding citizen should be able to carry his personal protection firearm anywhere that an armed criminal might go.

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    SaltH2OHokie wrote:
    I've been in a gun shop when someone with a warrant out for them tried to buy a gun. They filled out the form, stood there while the guy ran the info and then something on the clerks face must have given it away (perhaps a ) and the fella trying to buy the gun just took off out the door.
    That reminds me of a local courthouse (which shall remain nameless). People would show up the day after their scheduled court appearance and they'd go to the Clerk's Office to find out what happened.

    The Clerk would say "oh, well it looks like the Judge issued a Capias for your arrest for Failure to Appear. Have a seat over there and let me call a Deputy".

    You never saw people run so fast!
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    hsmith wrote:
    OC-Glock19 wrote:
    The NICS system works, especially on stupid criminals.Â* :celebrate
    I wouldn't hold your breath he is charged with trying to buy a firearm or anything related to firearms.

    We like having the laws, we don't like using them
    Correction: we only like using them on people who aren't criminals by virtue of never having hurt another person.

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    I saw this happen twice while working the VCDL booth in Richmond.

    A couple of other members were betting on how many guys would walk out in cuffs that day. I asked what they meant, and they told me that guys with records actually attempt to buy guns.

    Sure enough, about an hour later, Richmond's finest were escorting out one of Richmond's not-so-finest.

    Saw it happen a second time while working at a subsequent show.

    Unbelievably stupid.

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    Police say he proceeded to filled out the State Police Application required in Virginia to purchase a gun. Once his application was completed, he was advised that the application had to go through the Virginia State Police Firearms Transaction Center and it would take an hour or so to be verified. Roberts decided not to wait, and left a telephone number where he could be contacted.
    This is where he made his mistake, it should only take a few minutes max.

    FTC, "Tell him to come back in an hour so we can get troopers in place".

    You've got to wonder what the BG was thinking. "They're going to take an hour to check on me. How long in this computer age will it take them to find out who I am? Two hours at least...."

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    ProShooter wrote:
    SaltH2OHokie wrote:
    I've been in a gun shop when someone with a warrant out for them tried to buy a gun. They filled out the form, stood there while the guy ran the info and then something on the clerks face must have given it away (perhaps a ) and the fella trying to buy the gun just took off out the door.
    That reminds me of a local courthouse (which shall remain nameless). People would show up the day after their scheduled court appearance and they'd go to the Clerk's Office to find out what happened.

    The Clerk would say "oh, well it looks like the Judge issued a Capias for your arrest for Failure to Appear. Have a seat over there and let me call a Deputy".

    You never saw people run so fast!
    Saw two of those Capias things today, don't ask how :^).

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    Police say he proceeded to filled out the State Police Application required in Virginia to purchase a gun. Once his application was completed, he was advised that the application had to go through the Virginia State Police Firearms Transaction Center and it would take an hour or so to be verified. Roberts decided not to wait, and left a telephone number where he could be contacted.
    This is where he made his mistake, it should only take a few minutes max.

    FTC, "Tell him to come back in an hour so we can get troopers in place".

    You've got to wonder what the BG was thinking. "They're going to take an hour to check on me. How long in this computer age will it take them to find out who I am? Two hours at least...."
    Sometimes the people units that push the buttons get swamped... even in the computer age. I swear... biologicals are unreliable. They don't work consistently. They take breaks which interrupt productivity. They demand things like amenities and vacations. The nerve!

    I've had it take almost two hours for a check to come back saying it was okay to sell me a firearm. That was despite having a conceal permit and having bought firearms before.

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    TFred wrote:
    I was under the impression that it came back with either an "approved" or a "disapproved" status.

    There are widespread reports that this system often takes quite a bit longer than advertised, it seems that rather than come back with a "disapproved" status in cases of wanted persons, they should just delay the report (even if the system is not running slowly at that time) and dispatch someone to the site to take the person into custody.

    I'm sure there are a number of ways this situation could be better handled.

    TFred
    If this is true (and I have no reason not to believe you), what would have told the gun shop guy that he was dealing with someone who was wanted? Is it perhaps that he called the police and gave the name first to the dispatcher and then she told him or perhaps he called a friend in the police? I don't remember the details of the conversation, but I do know that the net result was that the guy was wanted and had given his correct information which led them to that conclusion after he ran out of the store.



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    SaltH2OHokie wrote:
    TFred wrote:
    I was under the impression that it came back with either an "approved" or a "disapproved" status.

    There are widespread reports that this system often takes quite a bit longer than advertised, it seems that rather than come back with a "disapproved" status in cases of wanted persons, they should just delay the report (even if the system is not running slowly at that time) and dispatch someone to the site to take the person into custody.

    I'm sure there are a number of ways this situation could be better handled.

    TFred
    If this is true (and I have no reason not to believe you), what would have told the gun shop guy that he was dealing with someone who was wanted? Is it perhaps that he gave the name first to the dispatcher and then she told him or perhaps he called a friend in the police? I don't remember the details of the conversation, but I do know that the net result was that the guy was wanted and had given his correct information which led them to that conclusion after he ran out of the store.

    According to the news article (second link in the OP), the clerk didn't know until the VSP contacted him after processing the request:

    Robert's application was put through the VCIN/NCIC system, which turned up the fact that he was currently wanted in Baltimore, Maryland, for Homicide.

    According to the department spokesperson, they: "immediately made contact with Bob's Gun and Tackle Shop and responded with several Troopers.
    TFred

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    I've had it take almost two hours for a check to come back saying it was okay to sell me a firearm. That was despite having a conceal permit and having bought firearms before.
    Either you are an evil but lucky man or just unlucky, or have bought so many guns you've been caught in the Background Check game. Me, never more than 60 seconds. For all four guns. I have a sweet innocent face I guess.... :^)

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    darthmord wrote:
    Neplusultra wrote:
    Police say he proceeded to filled out the State Police Application required in Virginia to purchase a gun. Once his application was completed, he was advised that the application had to go through the Virginia State Police Firearms Transaction Center and it would take an hour or so to be verified. Roberts decided not to wait, and left a telephone number where he could be contacted.
    This is where he made his mistake, it should only take a few minutes max.

    FTC, "Tell him to come back in an hour so we can get troopers in place".

    You've got to wonder what the BG was thinking. "They're going to take an hour to check on me. How long in this computer age will it take them to find out who I am? Two hours at least...."
    Sometimes the people units that push the buttons get swamped... even in the computer age. I swear... biologicals are unreliable. They don't work consistently. They take breaks which interrupt productivity. They demand things like amenities and vacations. The nerve!
    I've had it take almost two hours for a check to come back saying it was okay to sell me a firearm. That was despite having a conceal permit and having bought firearms before.
    True. My first firearm purchase was from Bob's and was told the people were backed up, and that I, & others wouldn't make it before the end of day ( i had everything in before 5:30) And to quote Chris Roc, the situation made me: believe I had stole my own car! Self-induced paranoia... not fun

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    Neplusultra wrote:
    darthmord wrote:
    I've had it take almost two hours for a check to come back saying it was okay to sell me a firearm. That was despite having a conceal permit and having bought firearms before.
    Either you are an evil but lucky man or just unlucky, or have bought so many guns you've been caught in the Background Check game. Me, never more than 60 seconds. For all four guns. I have a sweet innocent face I guess.... :^)
    Oh I've had it take longer to enter the information than it took to come back with the green light too. It's just that due to my employment history and other qualifications, I've been informed it may occasionally take a little longer for my background check to come back.

    I'm not worried. There's nothing in any background check on me that would disqualify me from a purchase. Just means I have to leave a bit earlier to get to the gun store to make the purchase. Darn, I have to spend *more* time at the gun store. That really bites.

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    Either you are an evil but lucky man or just unlucky, or have bought so many guns you've been caught in the Background Check game. Me, never more than 60 seconds. For all four guns. I have a sweet innocent face I guess.... :^)
    Arg, you lucky dog! I always have to come back later. I found out the hard way when there was a police officer behind my car at a red light. Apparently there is someone who shares my name who had a warrant for resisting arrest. I have been pulled over three times, my wife once (she was driving my car), and any background check takes over an hour.

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    When I bought my wife her .38 at a Va Beach gun show for her CHP it took just over an hour. The dealer said it was likely do to the high volume of calls for sales. My others it took longer to box the gun up than for the check to come back.

    I don't have anything to hide so I don't mind waiting and like mentioned before who doesn't like to spend time in a gun shop.
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    Mine almost always take about an hour. I spoke to a State Police rep at one of the gun shows and she said it was because I was in the military, but she didn't know why. Gave me a number to call to find out but I'm lazy and never followed thru. I'm thinking maybe they need to also check to see if i'm convicted of anything under UCMJ. One of these days I'll figure it out.

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    It took 1.5 hours to get my Springfield Micro Compact and 2 minutes to get my wife's .357 at the same gunshop. It's just the luck of the draw!
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    samdavisrises wrote:
    Apparently there is someone who shares my name who had a warrant for resisting arrest. I have been pulled over three times, my wife once (she was driving my car), and any background check takes over an hour.
    With a name like Sammy Davis? Unless you're a 4' tall black man, decomposing these days I believe (RIP Sammy)...I can see how that'd happen....:P:P

    My check took about 45 minutes......no running involved...

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