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VOTE 2008
- Thread starter Dave Workman
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vote_no
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I want you guys to promise me that if Obama wins you'll leave the country.
I want you guys to promise me that if Obama wins you'll leave the country.
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Won't leave the country but will recreate this one.Since anti gun folks don't believe in bearing arms it should be easy.Carry license apps in this state alone are up around 44% and the gun stores are packed these days .No one wants to live in an America without a 2 nd ammendment.It is our right to bear arms for personal protection and simply because some just like the shooting sports.I carry everyday , I openly carry my sidearm into my bank ,its no different than putting on a cell phone.Police are never around as I said to prevent an attack on home or person.They always show up after the fact .I will always have the right to bear arms.
Would you not think I have the right to use a firearm against an intruder into my home? The police aren't there.Besides someone that does that has in my mind lost all viability as human .and myself ,family and property come first.What is one supposed to do, use harsh language,hide.I don't think so.A woman down the street was attacked a few weeks back in a home invasion.Raped and beaten pretty bad.I noticed the cops showed up after the attack.Useless.We have to take responsibility for our own protection and those around us.
Gangs around here,people with no jobs .didn't finish school,so they take from others.But yet under an obama admin we are supposed to feel bad and take from working people and give to them.They have had the same chance as anybody else and made a choice.What have they done to earn it? I earned the money I make.My kids have worked all through school and earn the money they make now.They don't owe anyone.
Alot of us on this site vigorously disagree with each other about diferent things even get into pissing contests with each other.But as far as our right to own and bear arms make no underestimation just how united we are on that issue.I have even talked with people in the military now that would refuse an order to disarm an American citizen.
Won't leave the country but will recreate this one.Since anti gun folks don't believe in bearing arms it should be easy.Carry license apps in this state alone are up around 44% and the gun stores are packed these days .No one wants to live in an America without a 2 nd ammendment.It is our right to bear arms for personal protection and simply because some just like the shooting sports.I carry everyday , I openly carry my sidearm into my bank ,its no different than putting on a cell phone.Police are never around as I said to prevent an attack on home or person.They always show up after the fact .I will always have the right to bear arms.
Would you not think I have the right to use a firearm against an intruder into my home? The police aren't there.Besides someone that does that has in my mind lost all viability as human .and myself ,family and property come first.What is one supposed to do, use harsh language,hide.I don't think so.A woman down the street was attacked a few weeks back in a home invasion.Raped and beaten pretty bad.I noticed the cops showed up after the attack.Useless.We have to take responsibility for our own protection and those around us.
Gangs around here,people with no jobs .didn't finish school,so they take from others.But yet under an obama admin we are supposed to feel bad and take from working people and give to them.They have had the same chance as anybody else and made a choice.What have they done to earn it? I earned the money I make.My kids have worked all through school and earn the money they make now.They don't owe anyone.
Alot of us on this site vigorously disagree with each other about diferent things even get into pissing contests with each other.But as far as our right to own and bear arms make no underestimation just how united we are on that issue.I have even talked with people in the military now that would refuse an order to disarm an American citizen.
Shy_Panda
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I hate to admit it but I almost cried as I filled in the circles on my ballot. I really really wanted to vote third party (not either of the Socialist parties mind you), but I couldn't force myself to watch my vote go completely uncounted despite the fact that I am a conservative living in Washington State. The way I see it I had three options Sen. Obama which equates to a vote to help bring about the quick demise of our current system in the hopes that it speeds up the recreation of the America we should live in. A vote for Sen. McCain as a vote to slow our ever accelerating downfall reenacting the fall of Rome, and hope that someone comes along in time to salvage our nation and return it to its rightful place as THE leader of freedom and the liberalism in which we all truly believe. With the final option being for a third party canidate (Bob Barr) who was as close as was offered to sharing similar beliefs to those of myself.
If all the conservatives leave the country then all the liberal individuals living in major metropolitin areas will all but starve in the aftermath of the exodus. Heaven forbid that someone think about the fact that the vast majority of this nation (acerage) is inhabitated by conservatives and not liberals. As far as I am concerned you can keep your ideals in your overpopulated, crime ridden, and yes I must admit intelectual (generally speaking) cities all I ask is that you leave me the heck alone. If you really believe that the responsibilites of freedom are too much for you then you can chose (as your last act of freedom) to make yourself a subject, but screw your democratic idealism because I refuse to be subject to a majority where only the mob mentality has any true power.
I guess I should end my rant there, I already don't have enough time to respond to all of the replies that I am sure I will get from this one.
P.S. Deros, you can add another one to your list. I would refuse to take a firearm away from any American citizen who has the legal right to bear it... but you best not shoot at me or my soldiers cause panda's can be vicious when provoked.
Shy_Panda Out
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I hate to admit it but I almost cried as I filled in the circles on my ballot. I really really wanted to vote third party (not either of the Socialist parties mind you), but I couldn't force myself to watch my vote go completely uncounted despite the fact that I am a conservative living in Washington State. The way I see it I had three options Sen. Obama which equates to a vote to help bring about the quick demise of our current system in the hopes that it speeds up the recreation of the America we should live in. A vote for Sen. McCain as a vote to slow our ever accelerating downfall reenacting the fall of Rome, and hope that someone comes along in time to salvage our nation and return it to its rightful place as THE leader of freedom and the liberalism in which we all truly believe. With the final option being for a third party canidate (Bob Barr) who was as close as was offered to sharing similar beliefs to those of myself.
If all the conservatives leave the country then all the liberal individuals living in major metropolitin areas will all but starve in the aftermath of the exodus. Heaven forbid that someone think about the fact that the vast majority of this nation (acerage) is inhabitated by conservatives and not liberals. As far as I am concerned you can keep your ideals in your overpopulated, crime ridden, and yes I must admit intelectual (generally speaking) cities all I ask is that you leave me the heck alone. If you really believe that the responsibilites of freedom are too much for you then you can chose (as your last act of freedom) to make yourself a subject, but screw your democratic idealism because I refuse to be subject to a majority where only the mob mentality has any true power.
I guess I should end my rant there, I already don't have enough time to respond to all of the replies that I am sure I will get from this one.
P.S. Deros, you can add another one to your list. I would refuse to take a firearm away from any American citizen who has the legal right to bear it... but you best not shoot at me or my soldiers cause panda's can be vicious when provoked.
Shy_Panda Out
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On the contrary you have my complete respect and would never harm another American as Yourself. I too was once an American soldier.We would stand together against those that would seek to disarm us and take our liberties.The right to bear arms is what our forfathers gave us to protect those freedoms and to take that away America will be no more.
On the contrary you have my complete respect and would never harm another American as Yourself. I too was once an American soldier.We would stand together against those that would seek to disarm us and take our liberties.The right to bear arms is what our forfathers gave us to protect those freedoms and to take that away America will be no more.
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Thanks Jbone.I am pretty as you all know pretty set in my convictions.I do believe in certain principles.Being Hardcore rt wing christain conservative ass( I know hard to believe huh?)BY the same token under no circumstances do I believe in retrictingany Americansliberties.Lets keep our arms what ever it takes and our free speech.After that we can argue the rest over some beers .We all, I think are pretty much in a agreement that if obama wins our rt to bear arms and free speech could be in serious jepordy.I do believe also if you immigrate here learn to be American and do it legally I got no problem with that.These principles have to apply to all Americans and those that wish to be,or they mean nothing.I'm not a complete ass I just play one on the computer.
Thanks Jbone.I am pretty as you all know pretty set in my convictions.I do believe in certain principles.Being Hardcore rt wing christain conservative ass( I know hard to believe huh?)BY the same token under no circumstances do I believe in retrictingany Americansliberties.Lets keep our arms what ever it takes and our free speech.After that we can argue the rest over some beers .We all, I think are pretty much in a agreement that if obama wins our rt to bear arms and free speech could be in serious jepordy.I do believe also if you immigrate here learn to be American and do it legally I got no problem with that.These principles have to apply to all Americans and those that wish to be,or they mean nothing.I'm not a complete ass I just play one on the computer.
Gene Beasley
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I really like this guy. It's about nine minutes, but he covers a lot of ground.
[flash=320,256]http://www.youtube.com/v/Yvc0tYG_YpA&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0[/flash]
I really like this guy. It's about nine minutes, but he covers a lot of ground.
[flash=320,256]http://www.youtube.com/v/Yvc0tYG_YpA&hl=en&fs=1&rel=0[/flash]
shad0wfax
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Gene Beasley wrote:
Gene Beasley wrote:
I like him too. He makes some pretty good points, but I didn't hear anything about gun control.
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Voted 3rd party and darn proud of it.
Nobody said doing the right thing would be easy, or effective, or popular. If that were the criteria, we wouldn't have had an American revolution. They defied the most powerful nation in the world. For all our founders knew, they'd be unsuccessful, dead, destitute, or all three for their trouble. Their families, too.
They understood obeying their consciences in the pursuit of liberty was more important than even life. What is it to live, if you have to sell your soul and integrity?
I did my part. I supported good with my vote. Even if nobody else joins me, I'm ready to answer for my choice with a clear conscience before my Creator.
I know how the thought processes work. I've made un-principled votes all my life. No more. Logically, you can have no net gain if you continue to support the lesser of evils. Evil + evil year after year does not = good eventually.
I hear folks say how they held their nose and voted party lines. As if it's some noble thing to set aside one's conscience. They recognize the evil and they put their name on the dotted line anyway. You understand the direction this person will take us is a negative. But it's less negative. So what? We postpone the inevitable?
I say: let it come. I'll keep my integrity. If other folks decide to keep their souls and vote for good, maybe we can start to change course. If not, let's not just put this off on our grandkids. Are we Americans or aren't we? Is this the home of the free and the brave, or isn't it? The line has to be drawn and held by patriots of principle and determination.
Voted 3rd party and darn proud of it.
Nobody said doing the right thing would be easy, or effective, or popular. If that were the criteria, we wouldn't have had an American revolution. They defied the most powerful nation in the world. For all our founders knew, they'd be unsuccessful, dead, destitute, or all three for their trouble. Their families, too.
They understood obeying their consciences in the pursuit of liberty was more important than even life. What is it to live, if you have to sell your soul and integrity?
I did my part. I supported good with my vote. Even if nobody else joins me, I'm ready to answer for my choice with a clear conscience before my Creator.
I know how the thought processes work. I've made un-principled votes all my life. No more. Logically, you can have no net gain if you continue to support the lesser of evils. Evil + evil year after year does not = good eventually.
I hear folks say how they held their nose and voted party lines. As if it's some noble thing to set aside one's conscience. They recognize the evil and they put their name on the dotted line anyway. You understand the direction this person will take us is a negative. But it's less negative. So what? We postpone the inevitable?
I say: let it come. I'll keep my integrity. If other folks decide to keep their souls and vote for good, maybe we can start to change course. If not, let's not just put this off on our grandkids. Are we Americans or aren't we? Is this the home of the free and the brave, or isn't it? The line has to be drawn and held by patriots of principle and determination.
Bear 45/70
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t3rmin wrote:
t3rmin wrote:
Well, lets see how proud you are after 4 years of obama and his reign of terror.
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Bear 45/70 wrote:
Blaming everybody else for not doing right as the reason for you not doing right, while everyone else does exactly the same thing, is a bit circular. The only thing that's sure about that arrangement is evil wins.
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You can bet on it! I wouldn't have done it if I wasn't prepared to accept the consequences with joy.
Blaming everybody else for not doing right as the reason for you not doing right, while everyone else does exactly the same thing, is a bit circular. The only thing that's sure about that arrangement is evil wins.
Tawnos
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Bear 45/70 wrote:
I hear you ask "why" with shock and horror in your voice. The answer is multifold, but I doubt you would understand any more than an anti-2A/1-24 person would understand carrying a firearm.
Maybe, just maybe, this "reign of terror" will make people think a bit more before nominating a turd sandwich as the presidential candidate and putting someone with less experience than the opposition as the VP candidate. Especially after running a series of attack ads questioning the experience and capability of said opposition.
Since I couldn't, in good faith, nominate Obama, I chose third party. At the very least, the more third party votes that go to a third party, the more likely it is that one of the major parties will begin to reflect that party's platforms (to try and attract the voters from that party).
Bear 45/70 wrote:
Let's put it this way: I expect(ed) Obama to win, regardless of who I vote for. Had he not added the party line re: 2A "reasonable restrictions" into his platform (he'd actually dropped that as an 'unwinnable issue' prior, one that only hurts his party) I likely would have voted for him.
I hear you ask "why" with shock and horror in your voice. The answer is multifold, but I doubt you would understand any more than an anti-2A/1-24 person would understand carrying a firearm.
Maybe, just maybe, this "reign of terror" will make people think a bit more before nominating a turd sandwich as the presidential candidate and putting someone with less experience than the opposition as the VP candidate. Especially after running a series of attack ads questioning the experience and capability of said opposition.
Since I couldn't, in good faith, nominate Obama, I chose third party. At the very least, the more third party votes that go to a third party, the more likely it is that one of the major parties will begin to reflect that party's platforms (to try and attract the voters from that party).
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Tawnos wrote:
McCain is such a snake I'd almost concluded Obama was the infinitesimally-lesser of evils. Irrelevant, though, since I don't support evil.
A reign of terror is EXACTLY what the doctor ordered to wake people up. It has to get worse before it'll get better. People are complacent. It's already so bad and folks don't have a clue.
Whether 4 to 8 years of hell motivates people to a great electoral victory for liberty in the future, or whether it gets so bad we have to tear it all down and re-build, folks acting righteously instead of compromisingly is the best hope we have.
Tawnos wrote:
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McCain is such a snake I'd almost concluded Obama was the infinitesimally-lesser of evils. Irrelevant, though, since I don't support evil.
A reign of terror is EXACTLY what the doctor ordered to wake people up. It has to get worse before it'll get better. People are complacent. It's already so bad and folks don't have a clue.
Whether 4 to 8 years of hell motivates people to a great electoral victory for liberty in the future, or whether it gets so bad we have to tear it all down and re-build, folks acting righteously instead of compromisingly is the best hope we have.
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t3rmin wrote:
Yep, McCain will find it easier to pass a few more little infringements and folks will thank him for it by rationalizing that things would have been much worse under Obama. As has been said before, if voting had much influence it would have been made illegal by now. A vote for third party is just an attempt to get their attention and give them one last chance to do the right thing.
t3rmin wrote:
Yep, McCain will find it easier to pass a few more little infringements and folks will thank him for it by rationalizing that things would have been much worse under Obama. As has been said before, if voting had much influence it would have been made illegal by now. A vote for third party is just an attempt to get their attention and give them one last chance to do the right thing.
Bear 45/70
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Mark my words, The obama administrationis gonna make the Klinton years look like a friggin' picnic.
Mark my words, The obama administrationis gonna make the Klinton years look like a friggin' picnic.
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Here is a News letter from Front site which I think illustrates where we are headed.
http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sight.com/firearms26
Here is a News letter from Front site which I think illustrates where we are headed.
http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sight.com/firearms26
tai4de2
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That's really a very good article -- highly recommended as a way to spend 10 minutes.
That's really a very good article -- highly recommended as a way to spend 10 minutes.
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So what will we all do.?? If obama is elected and they start passing anti gun ordinances,eventually ban handgun ownership and carry ,submit to the UN that that we give up our 2A.Are will all just going to say well they won I guess I'll go turn in my guns now.
Or are we going to continue to carry ,ban together by the thousands and say we have had enough and will not give them up.PERIOD.
So what will we all do.?? If obama is elected and they start passing anti gun ordinances,eventually ban handgun ownership and carry ,submit to the UN that that we give up our 2A.Are will all just going to say well they won I guess I'll go turn in my guns now.
Or are we going to continue to carry ,ban together by the thousands and say we have had enough and will not give them up.PERIOD.
joeroket
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I like Ignatius but his math is off by a bundle. In that article he says that there are 80 million guns owners but it really is only about 35 million. There is about 80 million guns privately held and 3/4 of them are owned by adults that have four or more which is about 10% of the population. It sure seems like he is trying to sensationalize it which only, in my opinion, gives ammo to the antis.
I like Ignatius but his math is off by a bundle. In that article he says that there are 80 million guns owners but it really is only about 35 million. There is about 80 million guns privately held and 3/4 of them are owned by adults that have four or more which is about 10% of the population. It sure seems like he is trying to sensationalize it which only, in my opinion, gives ammo to the antis.