VCDL President wrote:
I have recommended for some time that when carrying on private property, except restaurants that serve alcohol, to conceal carry if you have a CHP.
Public property is different.
Private property can ban guns at will and the worst track records with 'no guns' bans are at large malls and movie theaters.
What we don't want is to good malls and movie theaters into posting, which would affect everyone - even those who concealed carry. Better to let them have their private, unwritten policies and to once in a while ask an open carrier to leave, than to post.
1) A right exercised is a right lost. That is the motto on this forum.
2) The premise that OCing will ruin it fo CCres on private property is a false flag. What legal difference does a sign make to the CCer?A no firearmssign is a private conduct rule, just like a no chewing gum sign and has no legal effect.
3) There is a practical side to what you say, as it is the path of least resistance. The path of the OC activist, however, is often harder.The mirror, however,is easier for theOC activist to stare into when shaving in the morning.
Let's be clear - on PRIVATE property you don't have a lot of your rights. If someone stepped into your home with a shirt with profanity written on it and you had a ten-year old around, you might decide that person's free speech rights don't exist. Someone who doesn't like you or your guns can ask you to leave their private property with impunity.
Saying that carrying on PRIVATE property is exercising a right, is simply wrong. You don't have a right to bear arms on private property.
Remember - I don't make the laws, I'm just the messenger.
You CAN exercise that right, which you do have, in a public building, on a public sidewalk, or on your own property or on the property of someone who doesn't care or is sympathetic to the right. Just remember that on private property, the owner can decide what rights you have and can exercise and which you don't and can't.
Also, I wish it were a false flag about signs going up. The problem is with some gun owners, who when asked to leave private property based on a policy, written or not, DEMAND that a sign go up with the stated policy. Stupid, stupid, stupid.
If you want to open carry at a mall or theater, go right ahead. If you get kicked out, you most certainly can boycott the stores if you wish. That is one piece of leverage you have to make them reconsider. But your ability to exercise the right to carry ends at the beginning of their property.
I don't consider a store that bans only a certain type of carry (either no open carry or no concealed carry) to be anti-gun as long as they allow one or the other. The problem, and associated campaign to correct the problem, comes when all carry is disallowed. Some malls don't post a policy because they don't carry about CC, but don't want OC. Oh, well.
If the mall has nothing posted, but do have a 'no guns' policy and you are carrying concealed, you don't know about their rule and they don't know about your gun. No harm, no foul, no trespass.
If the law were to be changed where public accommodations (hotels, malls, stores) had to allow all forms of legal carry (which would be cool from my point of view), THEN we could talk about exercising a right on that property.