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    I thought I read somewhere in the washington forum that it was illegal for local government to outlaw carry, whether open or otherwise, in public parks. am I losing my mind or does the state law override the local?

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    You are correct. Any local law that says that guns are banned has been preeempted by state law. You will still see signs in the parks, but the municipal codes and others are unenforceable.
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    The FAQ's cover that. Washington State has total preemption over municipal firearms laws, excepting muncipalities can pass laws regarding discharge, excepting self defense.

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    Im going to post a pic later but there is a local skatepark/ sports park(university place)that has no gun signs and city codes posted all over the place. seems like somthing is wrong here?:?

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    Here is our pic in the park in Puyallup next to the no guns sign.Police drove by that day but couldn,t do anything.

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    My truck just caught on fire and I was just forced to register my guns with the base but that put a smile on my face.

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    Does anyone who works on/around the base/fort know of a procedure for those who carry when off the base/fort? I'm curious if there is a better option than 'leave it at home'.

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    UP has invalid "no guns" signage in its parks? Rats, I may have to get off my duff and respond to that one...

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    Here is our pic in the park in Puyallup next to the no guns sign.Police drove by that day but couldn,t do anything.
    Hey, the sign says "No Loitering". Time to haul you all in.

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    spike89 wrote:
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    Here is our pic in the park in Puyallup next to the no guns sign.Police drove by that day but couldn,t do anything.
    Hey, the sign says "No Loitering". Time to haul you all in.
    that would be one scared cop trying to arrest everyone LOL

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    if they were going to take any action they would roll up with 15 cars just to overwhelm you guys

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    sempercarry wrote:
    if they were going to take any action they would roll up with 15 cars just to overwhelm you guys
    Heres a pic some took after I think one of the soccer moms at the play groundcalled us in.

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    spike89 wrote:
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    Here is our pic in the park in Puyallup next to the no guns sign.Police drove by that day but couldn,t do anything.
    Hey, the sign says "No Loitering". Time to haul you all in.
    Actually, we weren't loitering, we were posing for a picture, then left the area. If they hauled us in, they'd have to haul in the Wedding Party that was not 100 feet away from us that were in the same place taking pictures for the duration of our picnic... I'm sure that would go over well in the media.

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    if they were going to take any action they would roll up with 15 cars just to overwhelm you guys
    The 10 people there were just those that were carrying and decided to join in the picture at the time. There were others that had attended and had left already or weren't carrying... overall amounting to more than 15 people. I think we had between 15-20 people in attendance at any one time, but since I came late, I don't know how many people showed overall.
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    they woulda prolly called the HRT lolz:celebrate

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    shakul wrote:
    they woulda prolly called the HRT lolz:celebrate
    That would be a PR nightmare for PPD.

    Puyallup HRT Arrests Men, Women and Children at a Local Picnic for Doing Nothing Illegal

    Somehow, I don't think they'd like to see that headline in ANY newspaper.
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    just_a_car wrote:
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    they woulda prolly called the HRT lolz:celebrate
    That would be a PR nightmare for PPD.

    Puyallup HRT Arrests Men, Women and Children at a Local Picnic for Doing Nothing Illegal

    Somehow, I don't think they'd like to see that headline in ANY newspaper.
    pfft they had guns!!!!!! they were going to attack the wedding... yes yes attack the wedding :P

    *btw I'm just kidding around lol*

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    quentusrex wrote:
    Does anyone who works on/around the base/fort know of a procedure for those who carry when off the base/fort? I'm curious if there is a better option than 'leave it at home'.
    This is completely off-topic of the original post but...


    Military bases typically give you a bit of a hassle if you are coming and going on/off base with any firearm other than your duty weapon if you are an MP/SP/SF/ASF and have a reason to leave the base with your weapon.

    It's always a bit of red-tape at the gate to go through. Most of them will allow you through with your weapons unloaded, actions open, and in cases so long as you proceed directly to their armory and check them in. Usually they won't escort you to the armory but sometimes they do. Checking them out is the same in reverse, you head directly to the main gate actions open, unloaded, and cased.

    The problem is that your schedule has to match the normal business hours of the armory if you want to move your firearms around and that usually means you'd late for watch/duty. Sadly, the best option is to just leave them at home unless there's a safe and secure place to park your vehicle near the base.


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    quentusrex wrote:
    Does anyone who works on/around the base/fort know of a procedure for those who carry when off the base/fort? I'm curious if there is a better option than 'leave it at home'.
    Something you might consider, is that the military's view is that you are technically on duty 24/7. Hence it never hurts to have a letter of permission to carry when not on post. If, God forbid, something should happen and you have permission, then you are covered. Your medical will cover you and they can not charge you for not being able to report for duty. It will also protect you from civilian authorities to some extent too. I had a letter of permission to drag race off base, the military views this as a dangerous activity, and when I broke an arm in a fall at a race, I was covered. I would think the military would consider OC or CC as a dangerous activity if drag racing is one.

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    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    quentusrex wrote:
    Does anyone who works on/around the base/fort know of a procedure for those who carry when off the base/fort? I'm curious if there is a better option than 'leave it at home'.
    Something you might consider, is that the military's view is that you are technically on duty 24/7. Hence it never hurts to have a letter of permission to carry when not on post. If, God forbid, something should happen and you have permission, then you are covered. Your medical will cover you and they can not charge you for not being able to report for duty. It will also protect you from civilian authorities to some extent too. I had a letter of permission to drag race off base, the military views this as a dangerous activity, and when I broke an arm in a fall at a race, I was covered. I would think the military would consider OC or CC as a dangerous activity if drag racing is one.
    All you have to do is convince your SL/TOP or XO to get you a letter. It's the same thing w. asking for a letter to allow you to "requisition" an NFA weapon, the ones not allowed in this State. These will allow you to even keep them AFTER you leave the Military (if you can get a letter that states such, signed by your CO at the time of the requisition) It's like when LEO's get letters from the Chief/Sherrif to get NFA weapons not allowed in the State.

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.190

    Can be construed that if you have permission from the military or federal government then you can have it...

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.220

    OR you could go steal some gangbangers AK and say "you confiscated it in accordance to my military duty"

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    shakul wrote:
    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    quentusrex wrote:
    Does anyone who works on/around the base/fort know of a procedure for those who carry when off the base/fort? I'm curious if there is a better option than 'leave it at home'.
    Something you might consider, is that the military's view is that you are technically on duty 24/7. Hence it never hurts to have a letter of permission to carry when not on post. If, God forbid, something should happen and you have permission, then you are covered. Your medical will cover you and they can not charge you for not being able to report for duty. It will also protect you from civilian authorities to some extent too. I had a letter of permission to drag race off base, the military views this as a dangerous activity, and when I broke an arm in a fall at a race, I was covered. I would think the military would consider OC or CC as a dangerous activity if drag racing is one.
    All you have to do is convince your SL/TOP or XO to get you a letter. It's the same thing w. asking for a letter to allow you to "requisition" an NFA weapon, the ones not allowed in this State. These will allow you to even keep them AFTER you leave the Military (if you can get a letter that states such, signed by your CO at the time of the requisition) It's like when LEO's get letters from the Chief/Sherrif to get NFA weapons not allowed in the State.

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.190

    Can be construed that if you have permission from the military or federal government then you can have it...

    http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.220

    OR you could go steal some gangbangers AK and say "you confiscated it in accordance to my military duty"
    In Washington, all NFA weapons must belong to the department and are issued by the department to officers. Officers are not allowed to own the own NFA weapons.

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    Bear 45/70 wrote:
    quentusrex wrote:
    Does anyone who works on/around the base/fort know of a procedure for those who carry when off the base/fort? I'm curious if there is a better option than 'leave it at home'.
    Something you might consider, is that the military's view is that you are technically on duty 24/7. Hence it never hurts to have a letter of permission to carry when not on post. If, God forbid, something should happen and you have permission, then you are covered. Your medical will cover you and they can not charge you for not being able to report for duty. It will also protect you from civilian authorities to some extent too. I had a letter of permission to drag race off base, the military views this as a dangerous activity, and when I broke an arm in a fall at a race, I was covered. I would think the military would consider OC or CC as a dangerous activity if drag racing is one.
    Any military, active or retired, living on or off post, must register arms with PM....also, civilians hunting or shooting at the ranges are supposted to register their arms with the PM.......Realisticly, I don't think they check arms at the range much.......

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    BlaineG wrote:
    Any military, active or retired, living on or off post, must register arms with PM....
    Cite this one please...Because when I lived on base while I was in the military I asked if there was anything I needed to do with my firearms and got the answer that I didn't have to do anything, I could have them in my home, transport them and carry them as long as was legal to do so (CC w/permit, or OC if it is an OC state). I lived in california at the time, so OC wasn't a real option with the draconian firearm laws they have there, and getting a CC permit there was close to impossible because I was not a resident... Living off base you had no requirement to register with anyone either...

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    Found another sign in University Place the other day. There is a walkway that looks over the Chambers Bay golf course and the Puget sound on Grandview way in UP. There a signs all over the place that say "no fires or firearms allowed" I got no problem with the fires but I think there is somthing wrong with the NO GUNS thing at a public "park" University Place seems like a good place for the next picinic. Its geting kinda cold right now, so I dont know if you guys wanna wait for the temp to go up, but this issue needs to be adressed. The cirque park looks like the best place. there is a large covered area with picinic tables, and a few "no guns" signs with city ordnances listed. let me know.

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