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    What would you do or where would you go if the feds banned all private ownership offirearms of all types? Why would you go there and why would you do what you do? Discussion?
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    Time for a new government.

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    When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns. If/when that happens, I may have to consider joining forces with the outlaws.

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    I'm really looking for specifics.
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    Start holstering the trusty EastWing Claw hammer, or Box Knife,or may even resort to more primitive traditional methods, the old red clay brick, after all there's probably just as many murdered or maimed with the above mentioned, and they havn't been outlawed yet..

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    Its funny that you bring up this question. My brother and I were discussing what would have to happen in order for us to leave our country. I told him the complete revocation of the Second Amendment.

    Barring an overthrow ofthe government, I would decide that it is time to move on. Sad though it may be, the America that I was born to, of which I defended, and to whom I love would be dead and I care not to stay around for the endless funeral.

    To that end I would move to Switzerland. This is for a number of reasons.

    First, they have one of the highest gun ownership ratios in the world coupled with one of the lowest rates of gun crime.

    They have a very good banking system.

    They have a direct democracy that a simple majority of voters can overturn any law passed by parliment(think about that; do you think that the gun grabbers could actually get away with their brand of BS if it could easily be overturned by the people?).

    It's centrally located in Europe so vacationing is easy and affordable.

    Being neutral, it doesn't have to worry about the bull$hit of foreign affairs, wars, and the like. (I'm a fan of the Monroe Doctrine)

    Talk about Craftsmenship...swiss knives, swiss clocks, swiss watches, swiss coco, swiss misses etc.

    Finally, any country that was basically founded by the Knights Templar has got to be good. Haven't you ever wondered why its the Swiss Guard that protectst he Pope?



    So yeah...they (Obama and his cronies) take away the 2nd Amendment and I am on my way to the land of Alps and Coco. Hell, just talking about it I may move their anyways.

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    The best place to be in the United States if a gun ban occurs is in a state that is relatively independent of the federal government. Nevada, despite being over 80% federal government owned (mostly land set aside for conservation,) it receives less money from the federal government than any state but New Jersey, so if the feds cut NV's funding for not going along with a gun ban, the money won't really be missed all that much. Nevada (outside of Clark County and the California border counties) is probably the most libertarian state in the union (no income tax) and most people would be averse to giving up their weapons.

    Don't bother with moving overseas. Except for Switzerland, every other nation's gun laws are crap (and Switzerland's leading political party just got elected on an anti-immigration platform, so good luck trying to get in there.) I suppose if you had enough money you could go to Mexico or other parts of Latin America and just bribe any customs officials or federales who tried to take your guns.

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    I of course forgot Swiss Cheese. But on your, moving to another state idea it shouldn't be Nevada but rather Texas. True, texas, as of yet doesnt allow OC but it is still the only state in the Union that is legally allowed to sucede from the US if it wants. Now, during the Civil War that idea got crapped on, but in the media world we live in, I would love to see the justification Obama and his cronies would have to go to war with texas.

    You're right about the rest of Europe being crappy with gun laws, but the Swiss rejected joining the EU and as such do not have to play by the BS rules. And if the UN starts dictating crap the Swiss people need only vote a simple majority to remove themselves from the UN.

    As for Mexico, they have some of the strictest gun control laws in the world. In Brazil, you have to be 25 to own a gun and carrying outside the home is illegal. The other countries aren't much better. That is why crime and drugs are so prevelant and intimidation and murder by the cartels goes unchecked.

    Trust me, Texas or the Swiss...they're really the only options.

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    If the 2A were repealed... then they'd haf't repeal the 10A also and write a new Amendment to that effect and adopt it.The writin' would be on the wall to "institute new government". 'Hope that never happens... but it COULD. I believe that could trigger a miltary coup to defend the Constitution... and overthrow these Marxists, Communists, Socialists 'n their Quisling posers calling themselves Democrats. Democrats they're not.

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    rodbender wrote:
    What would you do or where would you go if the feds banned all private ownership offirearms of all types? Why would you go there and why would you do what you do? Discussion?
    What would you do if they banned private ownership of computers? Of cars? Of cell phones? Of televisions over/under a certain size? Would you give them up? Why should guns be any different, particularly if they are the only piece of personal property specifically mentioned in the constitution?
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    I of course forgot Swiss Cheese.¬* But on your, moving to another state idea it shouldn't be Nevada but rather Texas.¬* True, texas, as of yet doesnt allow OC but it is still the only state in the Union that is legally allowed to sucede from the US if it wants.
    Huh? Texas lost their case for secession in the Supreme Court (Texas v. White) - SCOTUS ruled that secession is not a right for any state, even the former Republic of Texas (I don't agree with that decision in the slightest). If any state tried to secede, there's no way in hell the federal government would let it go without a fight.

    You're right about the rest of Europe¬* being crappy with gun laws, but the Swiss rejected joining the EU and as such do not have to play by the BS rules.¬* And if the UN starts dictating crap the Swiss people need only vote a simple majority to remove themselves from the UN.
    True, the Swiss do care about their sovereignty, but that's slowly fading. The Swiss did sign the Schengen agreement and will abide by its rules starting in a month or two. The Swiss will join the EEC and EU eventually, its inevitable given the situation over in Europe.

    As for Mexico, they have some of the strictest gun control laws in the world.¬* In Brazil, you have to be 25 to own a gun and carrying outside the home is illegal.¬* The other countries aren't much better.¬* That is why crime and drugs are so prevelant and intimidation and murder by the cartels goes unchecked.
    Mexico & Brazil may have strict gun laws, but they aren't really enforced all that well. Provided you have enough money, you can pay off enough judges or federales to keep whatever weapons you want. That's the one good thing about corruption is that sometimes it can work in your favor.

    Trust me, Texas or the Swiss...they're really the only options.
    The options, as I see it: Nevada, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, South Dakota, and maybe Colorado.

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    I ain't runnin nowhere ! I feel real confident that at least the county and state districtI live in will put up our own strong fight, there are civil war skirmish battle sites in my part of the state, and I reckon we'll just have to revive em if push comes to shove..

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    I wouldn't do anything. Last night while on a fishing trip, darn wouldn't you know it but all of my firearms fell overboard and are at the bottom of the Potomac River, most likley now on their way out into the Chesapeak Bay, darn the luck.

    So if there were a national wide edcit to bring in all my firearms, I'd have to direct the collectors to dredge the bay to locate them.
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    rodbender wrote:
    What would you do or where would you go if the feds banned all private ownership offirearms of all types? Why would you go there and why would you do what you do? Discussion?
    I would stay right here in my own state, but I would be organizing militias and armed patrols in secret while laying out a plan to strategically conspire with foreign governments to push for a tactical deployment of EMP weapons at extremely high altitudes over specific targets in this country in order to use the EMP, not to take out the cities, but to knock out all electrical equipment and criple the military communications network so that we can rise up and take back our government and our country by force.

    The most important first attack would involve taking out all of the GPS satellites in space as to render GPS guided military munitions useless. The second phase would be the high-altitude EMP weapon deployment to fry every single electrical circuit board and chip within the blast radius over cities and targets like the Pentagon.

    At this point we would all get our guns and our rifles and our ammo and go on a blood-thristy killing spree all across the country, building our forces as we go, destroying everything in our path that wears a military uniform and has a gun or answers to our goverment while ransacking military installations and taking all the weapons and guns for our insurgency. Then we hunker down and hold out until we have our country back or they push us back and kill us all. Either way, we aren't going down without a fight.

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    I would sit tight and sell my gun to a third party, and lease it back for 100 years.
    Then I don't own it and would not be subject to the grab.

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    For one thing, the Bill of Rights is not subject to amendment as the Constitution is.. at least in the opinion of a few of our Founders. They believed that the Bill of Rights was so important and so necessary to the existence of a few people that it was cast in stone and never subject to change or alteration. And for the past 217 years, it has existed in just that manner.

    However, the devils who walk the halls of our legislative and congressional buildings might not have studied the writings and wishes of the Founders and even if they did, may be of a mind to ignore the lessons of history. So I am not so foolish to believe that the bastards could do something totally out of context to further their designs on our nation and our future.

    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

    Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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    Prophet wrote:
    I of course forgot Swiss Cheese. But on your, moving to another state idea it shouldn't be Nevada but rather Texas. True, texas, as of yet doesnt allow OC but it is still the only state in the Union that is legally allowed to sucede from the US if it wants. Now, during the Civil War that idea got crapped on, but in the media world we live in, I would love to see the justification Obama and his cronies would have to go to war with texas.

    You're right about the rest of Europe being crappy with gun laws, but the Swiss rejected joining the EU and as such do not have to play by the BS rules. And if the UN starts dictating crap the Swiss people need only vote a simple majority to remove themselves from the UN.

    As for Mexico, they have some of the strictest gun control laws in the world. In Brazil, you have to be 25 to own a gun and carrying outside the home is illegal. The other countries aren't much better. That is why crime and drugs are so prevelant and intimidation and murder by the cartels goes unchecked.

    Trust me, Texas or the Swiss...they're really the only options.
    Virginia reserved that right as well when it ratified the Constitution. Here is an excerpt from the document.

    "WE the Delegates of the people of Virginia, duly elected in pursuance of a recommendation from the General Assembly, and now met in Convention, having fully and freely investigated and discussed the proceedings of the Federal Convention, and being prepared as well as the most mature deliberation hath enabled us, to decide thereon, DO in the name and in behalf of the people of Virginia, declare and make known that the powers granted under the Constitution, being derived from the people of the United States may be resumed by them whensoever the same shall be perverted to their injury or oppression, and that every power not granted thereby remains with them and at their will: that therefore no right of any denomination, can be cancelled, abridged, restrained or modified, by the Congress, by the Senate or House of Representatives acting in any capacity, by the President or any department or officer of the United States, except in those instances in which power is given by the Constitution for those purposes: and that among other essential rights, the liberty of conscience and of the press cannot be cancelled, abridged, restrained or modified by any authority of the United States."

    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

    Si vis pacem, para bellum.

    America First!

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    As for a total gun ban at the federal level, I seriously doubt I'll live to see this come to pass in my lifetime. Still, it could be instigated which is the primary reason we desperately need organizations such as the NRA and the GOA and the JPFO and all of the rest of them.

    My take on all of this is pretty simple. If the federal government issued an order whereby all privately owned firearms must be surrendered by a given date, you can bet other things, also insidious and evil, would have already taken place are about to take place. America, as it was designed, would have already ceased to exist. A fair amount of the personnel charged with carrying out this order would refuse to do it. But you can bet a lot would.

    If this ever occurred, I would hope and pray that the nation would go down in armed conflict and conflagration because America would have already died. There would be no sense in seeing any future for this nation unless it was a future won by the patriots who took up arms and threw off their oppressors.


    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

    Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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    What would you do or where would you go if the feds banned all private ownership offirearms of all types? Why would you go there and why would you do what you do?
    Since I prefer a very warm climate, I would take all my guns and move to Mexico. Oh wait --- gun ownership by Gringo's is illegal in Mexico.

    Uh, I'll get back to you.

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    Do you know how many people have guns in the US? The government would be very outnumbered IMO.

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    I guess I would join a gang like the Bloods or Crips, Because there is no way in HELL they will get all thier guns. They probably want have the nuts to get them anyway..

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    According to the U.S. DOJ, there are approximately 675,000 sworn law enforcement officers serving nationwide. According to the DoD, there are a little more than 1.4 million persons serving on active duty, approximately 850,000 in reserves, and about 58,000 national guardsmen. That gives us an approximate total of 2.9 million "troops" that could potentially be applied to a martial law scenario.

    There are approximately 80 million gun owners in the U.S., and an approximate total of 240 million guns.

    Congress tells us they don't have the resources to track down an estimated 20 million illegal immigrants. If they can't do that - how the hell do they think they can locate 240 million guns, along with their 80 million owners?

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    Armed wrote:
    According to the U.S. DOJ, there are approximately 675,000 sworn law enforcement officers serving nationwide. According to the DoD, there are a little more than 1.4 million persons serving on active duty, approximately 850,000 in reserves, and about 58,000 national guardsmen. That gives us an approximate total of 2.9 million "troops" that could potentially be applied to a martial law scenario.

    There are approximately 80 million gun owners in the U.S., and an approximate total of 240 million guns.

    Congress tells us they don't have the resources to track down an estimated 20 million illegal immigrants. If they can't do that - how the hell do they think they can locate 240 million guns, along with their 80 million owners?
    +10 Good research and point...

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    If the 2A were repealed... then they'd haf't repeal the 10A also and write a new Amendment to that effect and adopt it.The writin' would be on the wall to "institute new government". 'Hope that never happens... but it COULD. I believe that could trigger a miltary coup to defend the Constitution... and overthrow these Marxists, Communists, Socialists 'n their Quisling posers calling themselves Democrats. Democrats they're not.
    You are absolutely right. Democrats they are not. The Democratic Party, the real Democratic Party, actually stands for something. What I'm not sure, but it certainly is not re-distribution of wealth and socialism. Now to answer the OP's question, I would quit my job. I would quit contributing to these bastards and join and commune. That or I would go smoke pot on an Indian Reservation for the rest of my life.

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