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What caliber for lion?
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ODA 226
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peter nap wrote:
peter nap wrote:
I told Animal Control hatif I saw the thing near our apartment again, they wouldn't need to set traps for it. (We have very small 3-5 year old children in our block.)They said I could be charged if I shot the thing....
deepdiver
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I'm not surprised to hear that DGIF is still claiming they don't exist. Dept of Natural Resources (DNR) is in charge of such things in MO. Despite numerous reports they said for years that there were no black bears in this area. Finally a teenager accidentally hit one on a major road in town killing it. Suddently DNR says, oh, yeah, well there may be bears in the area. There have been reports of cougars here as well and DNR, typically, says they do not exist and it is really bobcats.
There have been a few sightings of cougars in eastern KY near my family's place there. Some of the sightings have been by old timers born and raised in those hills and old enough to remember when there was a recognized cougar population in the area. Bobcats are not uncommon and they would easily distinguish a difference. But then along comes whatever state run dept and says, "Oh, you're mistaken. We weren't there and you have been hunting in these hills for 60 years but we KNOW what is out there and you don't because, well, see this state ID and badge? That makes us the uber-experts."
I think it would be great if cougars repopulated the eastern US. While there will be certain conflicts and confrontations, there is a lot of rural land in which for them to live and prosper.
I'm not surprised to hear that DGIF is still claiming they don't exist. Dept of Natural Resources (DNR) is in charge of such things in MO. Despite numerous reports they said for years that there were no black bears in this area. Finally a teenager accidentally hit one on a major road in town killing it. Suddently DNR says, oh, yeah, well there may be bears in the area. There have been reports of cougars here as well and DNR, typically, says they do not exist and it is really bobcats.
There have been a few sightings of cougars in eastern KY near my family's place there. Some of the sightings have been by old timers born and raised in those hills and old enough to remember when there was a recognized cougar population in the area. Bobcats are not uncommon and they would easily distinguish a difference. But then along comes whatever state run dept and says, "Oh, you're mistaken. We weren't there and you have been hunting in these hills for 60 years but we KNOW what is out there and you don't because, well, see this state ID and badge? That makes us the uber-experts."
I think it would be great if cougars repopulated the eastern US. While there will be certain conflicts and confrontations, there is a lot of rural land in which for them to live and prosper.
AbNo
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Hmm, I kept hearing stories about a lion around the VA/WV border, in and around Highway 33 West.
Yeah, not a mountain lion, a LION LION.
Can't be the same one, can it?
Hmm, I kept hearing stories about a lion around the VA/WV border, in and around Highway 33 West.
Yeah, not a mountain lion, a LION LION.
Can't be the same one, can it?
Marco
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Consider African/ Asian Lions weigh > 250 lbs not likely.
Now, if the AL was extremely malnourished, possibly.
I agree w/ Peter DGIF will not believe there is a Lion until someone lays it on their door step.
When I lived in NV I saw Wolfs in the National Forest, the Ranger told me I was crazy and that it was probably a dog/coyote mix.
About a month later some researchers had tracked aWolf(bitch) fromCanada in to Mexico and back.
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I had a good friend die while hunting ML in Southern UT.
He had a heart attack while climbing to get a better shot and fell to his death.
Consider African/ Asian Lions weigh > 250 lbs not likely.
Now, if the AL was extremely malnourished, possibly.
I agree w/ Peter DGIF will not believe there is a Lion until someone lays it on their door step.
When I lived in NV I saw Wolfs in the National Forest, the Ranger told me I was crazy and that it was probably a dog/coyote mix.
About a month later some researchers had tracked aWolf(bitch) fromCanada in to Mexico and back.
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I had a good friend die while hunting ML in Southern UT.
He had a heart attack while climbing to get a better shot and fell to his death.
Bill in VA
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At last, a picture of the Chesterfield cat.:celebrate
"We were walking like this and then all of a sudden,I saw the lion," saysElaine Severson. She says she will remember the exact spot in the middle of Channing Circle for the rest of her life.
It's the spot she claims she saw a 200 to 300 pound lioness, squatting and waiting to attack.
Lion spotter Elaine Severson says, "Massive paws and it wasn't a big dog or even a massive cougar this is something extreme and massive."
At last, a picture of the Chesterfield cat.:celebrate
"We were walking like this and then all of a sudden,I saw the lion," saysElaine Severson. She says she will remember the exact spot in the middle of Channing Circle for the rest of her life.
It's the spot she claims she saw a 200 to 300 pound lioness, squatting and waiting to attack.
Lion spotter Elaine Severson says, "Massive paws and it wasn't a big dog or even a massive cougar this is something extreme and massive."
soloban
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deepdiver
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soloban wrote:
soloban wrote:
Is it wrong that I found that really funny?
Toad
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peter nap wrote:
Unfortunately, I have seen more and more of them here. I heard that they were considered a nuisance species and `kill at will` but have not confirmed that.
peter nap wrote:
No joke about the Coyotes here...My male OES did a number on one last year. I never knew he could do that or how fast and agile he actually is. It was an amazing and scary sight at the same time for me. I have clocked him at 30MPH by the ATV speedometer, however accurate that is, and he has burst ahead a couple of times.
Unfortunately, I have seen more and more of them here. I heard that they were considered a nuisance species and `kill at will` but have not confirmed that.
riverrat10k
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deepdiver wrote:
deepdiver wrote:
I must be sick too.
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riverrat10k wrote:
I've had better luck with snares than anything else.
The best way I've found to hunt them is at night with an electronic call.
riverrat10k wrote:
Yep, open season on yotes. Have fun, they aren't easy to hunt or trap.deepdiver wrote:I must be sick too.
I've had better luck with snares than anything else.
The best way I've found to hunt them is at night with an electronic call.
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peter nap wrote:
Come on over to my place. I think there are three of them in a stretch of woods that backs up along Falling Creek and extends to where the dumpsters are for my aptartments. Seen them individually and once all three - feeding out of the bags that "just missed" being put inside the dumpster. They looked up as my headlights hit them, and scampered pretty quick.
Wonder if Chesterfield PD would have any problem if you staked out the place?
stay safe.
skidmark
peter nap wrote:
Peter,
Come on over to my place. I think there are three of them in a stretch of woods that backs up along Falling Creek and extends to where the dumpsters are for my aptartments. Seen them individually and once all three - feeding out of the bags that "just missed" being put inside the dumpster. They looked up as my headlights hit them, and scampered pretty quick.
Wonder if Chesterfield PD would have any problem if you staked out the place?
stay safe.
skidmark
T Dubya
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45-70, Powerful up close, but loses a lot of velocity around 150 yards.
45-70, Powerful up close, but loses a lot of velocity around 150 yards.
Sea_Chicken
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How bad is the recoil on one of those 45-70's ?
How bad is the recoil on one of those 45-70's ?
T Dubya
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Sea_Chicken wrote:
Sea_Chicken wrote:
I don't know. I have never known anyone that owned or shot one. I know it is an old cartridge. My guess is that it is very uncomfortable to shoot. I just threw that out there based on what I have read on the cartridge.
Marco
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Why so much over kill?
A.357 mag will do for short range.
A 45-70 is kind of like a 12ga slug regarding recoil.
A good all around load is a 405gr LFP (lead flat point) @ 1700 from a 18.5 bbl (Marlin 1895 guide gun, non ported)
Why so much over kill?
A.357 mag will do for short range.
A 45-70 is kind of like a 12ga slug regarding recoil.
A good all around load is a 405gr LFP (lead flat point) @ 1700 from a 18.5 bbl (Marlin 1895 guide gun, non ported)