.45ballers
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Am I supposed to tell the LEO when I get stopped that I have a ccl? Or does he allready know?
Am I supposed to tell the LEO when I get stopped that I have a ccl? Or does he allready know?
Not required by law. However more cops are killed on traffic stops than any other way. They tend to be nervous and if he happens to see you gun, well it is not fun looking down the barrel of a very nervous and adrenalin pumped cop. I always say, "I have a CPL and I am carrying."
Thanks Bear, Ive wondered if I was the one to bring it up or not. I guess the best thing to do is say something...Not required by law. However more cops are killed on traffic stops than any other way. They tend to be nervous and if he happens to see you gun, well it is not fun looking down the barrel of a very nervous and adrenalin pumped cop. I always say, "I have a CPL and I am carrying."
If I am OC or it is off-body and exposed in the vehicle I will advise. If I am CC and it is unlikely he will see it it, I don't bother. Unfortunately there are some cops out there who will make a big deal out of it. Last thing I need is for a "courtesy" on my part to become an extended proctology exam from some cop who isn't up on the laws or has something personal about citizens with guns. Living near the big city, that is always a possibility.
Now if for some reason he wants me out of the car, or it changes to where it may become visible, at that point I would advise.
Yeah, I just knew you would disagree with being smart and find some way to put the op's life in danger. It's stupid not to advise the cop of something that can have you looking down his barrel because you didn't give the cop a heads up.If I am OC or it is off-body and exposed in the vehicle I will advise. If I am CC and it is unlikely he will see it it, I don't bother. Unfortunately there are some cops out there who will make a big deal out of it. Last thing I need is for a "courtesy" on my part to become an extended proctology exam from some cop who isn't up on the laws or has something personal about citizens with guns. Living near the big city, that is always a possibility.
Now if for some reason he wants me out of the car, or it changes to where it may become visible, at that point I would advise.
Are you for real, Bear? Is everyone who might have a different opinion then you stupid? I'll answer that for you. Yes. Everyone who's opinion differs from yours is a complete and utter moron. Especially if their opinion is reasonable and well thought out.911Boss wrote:Yeah, I just knew you would disagree with being smart and find some way to put the op's life in danger. It's stupid not to advise the cop of something that can have you looking down his barrel because you didn't give the cop a heads up.If I am OC or it is off-body and exposed in the vehicle I will advise. If I am CC and it is unlikely he will see it it, I don't bother. Unfortunately there are some cops out there who will make a big deal out of it. Last thing I need is for a "courtesy" on my part to become an extended proctology exam from some cop who isn't up on the laws or has something personal about citizens with guns. Living near the big city, that is always a possibility.
Now if for some reason he wants me out of the car, or it changes to where it may become visible, at that point I would advise.
No, but 911Boss has stated on this board that he is out to disagree with anything I say. But of course, I will be the bad guy for this guys hate crime. Your lack of knowledgeof this guy's vendetta is the only excuse there could be for your statement. Well maybe you did get part of it right, you are right in your last sentence.Bear 45/70 wrote:Are you for real, Bear? Is everyone who might have a different opinion then you stupid? I'll answer that for you. Yes. Everyone who's opinion differs from yours is a complete and utter moron. Especially if their opinion is reasonable and well thought out.911Boss wrote:Yeah, I just knew you would disagree with being smart and find some way to put the op's life in danger. It's stupid not to advise the cop of something that can have you looking down his barrel because you didn't give the cop a heads up.If I am OC or it is off-body and exposed in the vehicle I will advise. If I am CC and it is unlikely he will see it it, I don't bother. Unfortunately there are some cops out there who will make a big deal out of it. Last thing I need is for a "courtesy" on my part to become an extended proctology exam from some cop who isn't up on the laws or has something personal about citizens with guns. Living near the big city, that is always a possibility.
Now if for some reason he wants me out of the car, or it changes to where it may become visible, at that point I would advise.
ETA - I agree with 911Boss...if I'm home on leave I'll go his route. Dammit...looks like I'm an idiot now. :uhoh:
911Boss wrote:Yeah, I just knew you would disagree with being smart and find some way to put the op's life in danger. It's stupid not to advise the cop of something that can have you looking down his barrel because you didn't give the cop a heads up.If I am OC or it is off-body and exposed in the vehicle I will advise. If I am CC and it is unlikely he will see it it, I don't bother. Unfortunately there are some cops out there who will make a big deal out of it. Last thing I need is for a "courtesy" on my part to become an extended proctology exam from some cop who isn't up on the laws or has something personal about citizens with guns. Living near the big city, that is always a possibility.
Now if for some reason he wants me out of the car, or it changes to where it may become visible, at that point I would advise.
There you go making sh!t up again. I NEVER stated in any post that I am out to disagree with anything you say. What I have sworn is to call you out anytime you resort to name calling and making derogatory remarks because someone disagrees with you.No, but 911Boss has stated on this board that he is out to disagree with anything I say. But of course, I will be the bad guy for this guys hate crime. Your lack of knowledgeof this guy's vendetta is the only excuse there could be for your statement. Well maybe you did get part of it right, you are right in your last sentence.
No statutory requirement, definitely a courtesy. Just like keeping both hands on the steering wheel when the officer is approaching, don't be worming around during the approach, if you have illegally tinted windows, have the window down fully,etc.
If you are seen with a gun and you have chosen not to advise you have a CPL, the officer will assume the worse until he can feel he has made the scene safe for him/her. How that will play out will be different from officer to officer.
I guess my only option is to not respond to you ever again. If there as a "Ignore" button on this forum, I would surely use it on you and your ilk.ghillie wrote:No statutory requirement, definitely a courtesy. Just like keeping both hands on the steering wheel when the officer is approaching, don't be worming around during the approach, if you have illegally tinted windows, have the window down fully,etc.
If you are seen with a gun and you have chosen not to advise you have a CPL, the officer will assume the worse until he can feel he has made the scene safe for him/her. How that will play out will be different from officer to officer.
When does black become white? Answering all questions truthfully and honestly is a courtesy as well, even if they are irrelevant and unnecessary. What if he asks for a voluntary breathalyzer as part of a sobriety checkpoint? Would it be rude to refuse?What if he asks you to consent to a search of your vehicle? It would certainly be courteous to do so.
My point is the officer only needs certain information to do his job. He may want more, but not providing it isn't wrong. I disagree that it is "courtesy" to complicate things with unnecessary information that could easily lead to an abuse of your rights.
You said it yourself, "How that will play out will be different from officer to officer." This is just as truefor volunteering the information as it is for not volunteering it and there are a lots of stories about cops going overboard when aware of a legally carried gun.
Yes, by all means TELL the officer you have a gun IF (and in my opinion ONLY if) it is in "plain view" or there is a chance it will be seen.
Yes, tell the officeryou have a gun on your person ANYTIME the officer instructs you to exit the vehicle. Why? Because at that point there is a chance it will be seen (see above).
Otherwise it is legal, acceptable, and safe to not bring it up. Feel free to ALWAYS tell the cop you are carrying if you feel comfortable doing that as well. There really is no "Wrong" answer in this state. My point is that either choice you make could cause problems. If you understand what might happen, I think you are better prepared for it if it does happen.