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SouthernBoy

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MetalChris wrote:
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The Constitution is the supreme law of the land and every military individual takes an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign AND domestic. Plus it would be in violation of the Posse Comitatus Act.
Did that stop them in NOLA?
No sir, it did not. Which is why a sizable show of arms and armed resistance could be the factor that garnishes a change of heart and action on their part. What took place in New Orleans was disgusting, illegal, and unconscionable. I would bet this will not take place on a national level.
 

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Which is why a sizable show of arms and armed resistance could be the factor that garnishes a change of heart and action on their part. What took place in New Orleans was disgusting, illegal, and unconscionable. I would bet this will not take place on a national level.

Not long after Katrina the Texas legislature enacted law that specifically prohibits the confiscation of weapons in times of emergency. This leads me to believe other states will also disapprove of federal gun grabbing.

By this I mean that some states will ultimatelyprotect armed citizen resistance against illegal confiscation.But by God it would get ugly.
 

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cccook wrote:
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Which is why a sizable show of arms and armed resistance could be the factor that garnishes a change of heart and action on their part. What took place in New Orleans was disgusting, illegal, and unconscionable. I would bet this will not take place on a national level.

Not long after Katrina the Texas legislature enacted law that specifically prohibits the confiscation of weapons in times of emergency. This leads me to believe other states will also disapprove of federal gun grabbing.

By this I mean that some states will ultimatelyprotect armed citizen resistance against illegal confiscation.But by God it would get ugly.

Virginia also has the same sort of law. Still we know that despots, by definition, are inclined to ignore laws that interfere with their designs on the people they have been hired to serve. That is the primary reason for the Second Amendment. To control government through the thread of, or actual use of, force of arms.
 

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I believe that 'door to door' is unfortunately an eventual reality, however I also believe that it is some time in coming... I do believe it to be a possibility within my lifetime. (I am 28 so I plan to be here for a good while longer...)
I believe that the first step in the major gun grab will be to require that we keep our arms at an approved depot and unfortunately many casual hunters and sporters will likely comply greatly reducing our capacity to put up a resistance. But I also believe that there will be a great resistance in which much of our 'armed forces' join with the side of the people. I hope and pray that it does not come to that, but I believe that eventually we will have many unarmed current 'guns are bad' people running to us praying to God and asking us to 'pass the bullets'!
 

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I believe that 'door to door' is unfortunately an eventual reality, however I also believe that it is some time in coming... I do believe it to be a possibility within my lifetime. (I am 28 so I plan to be here for a good while longer...)
I believe that the first step in the major gun grab will be to require that we keep our arms at an approved depot and unfortunately many casual hunters and sporters will likely comply greatly reducing our capacity to put up a resistance. But I also believe that there will be a great resistance in which much of our 'armed forces' join with the side of the people. I hope and pray that it does not come to that, but I believe that eventually we will have many unarmed current 'guns are bad' people running to us praying to God and asking us to 'pass the bullets'!
I think it's those people that will be running to the current administration and asking to save them from the "terrorists" running amuck......it has become clear that the majority of America does not care about their freedoms or the ideals of which this country was founded, and to them, those that do are "right-wing radicals" and even could be called "terrorists". They are perfectly happy to see America die and turn to socialism, because they know they'll get "free" handouts instead of having to work for a living.....
 

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I think it's those people that will be running to the current administration and asking to save them from the "terrorists" running amuck......it has become clear that the majority of America does not care about their freedoms or the ideals of which this country was founded, and to them, those that do are "right-wing radicals" and even could be called "terrorists". They are perfectly happy to see America die and turn to socialism, because they know they'll get "free" handouts instead of having to work for a living.....

I agree that most Americans will view any armed resistance to illegal gun confiscation as terrorist actions. Because that is how the liberal main stream media will portray it. Just as they did when the BATFE and the Clinton administration murdered 52 men, women and children near Waco, TX.

Local and national news coverage portrayed the Branch Davidians as a bunch of unhinged wackos. When in reality they were a few brave and scared Americans defending their way of life. If this were not so, our government would not have destroyed a huge crime scene with bulldosers in a matter of days to remove all evidence of the crime.

The MSM successfully depicted the Davidians as a fringe group that was not like the rest of us. I hope the difference will be that the MSM will be unable to convince Americans that 80 million gun owners are not regular folks...their friends and neighbors. But we already have seen that the MSM is in the tank for the next administration. So at least initially government crimes would go mostly unreported. At least until the groundswell of the backlash becomes unignorable.
 

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But how do you get an organized movement off the ground when most media is controlled? As we've seen in this election, the media has the ability, and will, push a political agenda to it's fullest, and any dissenting opinion or idea that doesn't agree with the leftist media is quickly shot down. So the people hear what those in charge of the media want you to hear....and what they want you to hear is what furthers their left-wing agenda.....namely deprive you of your rights, move the country to socialism and put everything under the control of the government.
 

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Don't forget, 365, newspaper subscriptions are down, and MSNBCNN viewership has been WAY down in the last couple of years.

Some of the BS from this past election certainly hasn't helped their numbers.
 

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I always keep all my mags loaded in my house... Just was an easy thing so I can grab them and go to the range if I wanted... Sure would be helpful if someone came to take them though...

I do not believe we will see confiscations going on any time in the next 4 or even 8 years. The much more likely scenario is just adding more and more restrictions, and higher and higher taxes. In other words, the gradual reduction of firearms going into the populous, and at such an expense that ammo is absurd cost... Give it 20 years of making it tougher every 4 years and you have a much easier time taking it all way.
 

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cccook wrote:
compmanio365 wrote:
I think it's those people that will be running to the current administration and asking to save them from the "terrorists" running amuck......it has become clear that the majority of America does not care about their freedoms or the ideals of which this country was founded, and to them, those that do are "right-wing radicals" and even could be called "terrorists". They are perfectly happy to see America die and turn to socialism, because they know they'll get "free" handouts instead of having to work for a living.....

I agree that most Americans will view any armed resistance to illegal gun confiscation as terrorist actions. Because that is how the liberal main stream media will portray it. Just as they did when the BATFE and the Clinton administration murdered 52 men, women and children near Waco, TX.

Local and national news coverage portrayed the Branch Davidians as a bunch of unhinged wackos. When in reality they were a few brave and scared Americans defending their way of life. If this were not so, our government would not have destroyed a huge crime scene with bulldosers in a matter of days to remove all evidence of the crime.

The MSM successfully depicted the Davidians as a fringe group that was not like the rest of us. I hope the difference will be that the MSM will be unable to convince Americans that 80 million gun owners are not regular folks...their friends and neighbors. But we already have seen that the MSM is in the tank for the next administration. So at least initially government crimes would go mostly unreported. At least until the groundswell of the backlash becomes unignorable.
This is absolutely true. The feds wasted no time in covering up their evil deeds. I've seen photos of some of the bodies and what G.Gordon Liddy said was true. CS gas can burn and produce very high temperatures. The bodies were unrecognizable as being human.

Don't forget Randy Weaver and the murders of his wife and son. Takes a brave man to shoot a 14 year old boy in the back and a woman in the jaw as she holds her infant.
 

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I can attest to the media's ability to spin the government's actions, and portray people as deranged wackos.

At the time of the Waco and Ruby Ridge incidents, I was just another gun owner. I had my hunting rifles and shotguns, and didn't consider them to be in danger. I remember watching the coverage of the Waco incident, and remember how the media successfully warped my mind to believe they were just a bunch of religious crazies, like the Jim Jones people, or the people that killed themselves over Hale-Bopp. They had me believing that the Davidians actually set their own building on fire. As far as Ruby Ridge, all I remembered was the story about how Randy Weaver was one of those "crazy militia guys" that most people now think of in the same thought as Timothy McVey.

That is, until I became a gun rights activist, and began to think for myself, instead of happily swallowing the spoon-fed crap dished out by the media. It still amazes me how easily the media pulled the wool over my eyes on those two events.

They are still doing it to millions of Americans today. Just imagine what kind of story there would have been had someone in NOLA stood up for their rights, and not obeyed that unconstitutional disarmanent order. That person would have been severely attacked by the media, probably as a "militia wacko". That could be any of us at any time.

Well, we can take comfort in the fact that the media will get there's too. Once they've taken away the right to keep and bear arms, there will be nothing standing in their way to take away freedom of the press.
 

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Several times when discussing the 2nd Amendment with an anti-gunner whenthey questioned the need for the 2nd Amendment in today's times, I mentionedthe raid on the Branch Davidians, themurder at Ruby Ridge and the raid to rescue Elian Gonzales.Every time, the discussion went quiet and theperson said: "Oh,yeah; I guess you are right."
 

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Don Barnett wrote:
Several times when discussing the 2nd Amendment with an anti-gunner whenthey questioned the need for the 2nd Amendment in today's times, I mentionedthe raid on the Branch Davidians, themurder at Ruby Ridge and the raid to rescue Elian Gonzales.Every time, the discussion went quiet and theperson said: "Oh,yeah; I guess you are right."
Strange isn't it, that Bill Clinton put more effort into killing David Koresh than Osama bin Laden...?
 

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As for Ruby Ridge, the guy who shot Weaver's wife was supposedly some kid of certified/decorated sniper back in the day, so that doesn't sound like an honest mistake to me. They also shot his dog, as I recall. A tad excessive.

-ljp
 

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Well, look at it this way. If a shooting war starts, who will win. The gun grabbers don't like or know how to use guns. They will have to have police and military on their side and I figure at least half will not go along with it, including some of the top officers.
 

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Well, look at it this way. If a shooting war starts, who will win. The gun grabbers don't like or know how to use guns. They will have to have police and military on their side and I figure at least half will not go along with it, including some of the top officers.
I wouldn't count on that. A lot of .mil and LEO folks say they wouldn't comply with an order to confiscate weapons, but when it comes down to it MAYBE 25% would actually back that up. Just look at NOLA.
 

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Legba wrote:
As for Ruby Ridge, the guy who shot Weaver's wife was supposedly some kid of certified/decorated sniper back in the day, so that doesn't sound like an honest mistake to me. They also shot his dog, as I recall. A tad excessive.

-ljp
I think I knew him in Korea in '81. If so, I don't have any doubt in my mind that he'd shoot a woman in the head while she held a baby... whether anyone told him to or not.
 

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Deanimator wrote:
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As for Ruby Ridge, the guy who shot Weaver's wife was supposedly some kid of certified/decorated sniper back in the day, so that doesn't sound like an honest mistake to me. They also shot his dog, as I recall. A tad excessive.

-ljp
I think I knew him in Korea in '81. If so, I don't have any doubt in my mind that he'd shoot a woman in the head while she held a baby... whether anyone told him to or not.
The killer's name is Lon Horiuchi.
 

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Just one of the many things that bothers me about the whole Weaver family incident is the fact that the sniper shot her through a curtained window in the door. He violated one of the most important rules about pulling the trigger, positively identify your target. He may have been pretty sure about who he was firing on, but did he know about the baby that she was holding? No matter what crimes may have or have not been committed, you just don't take a shot at an obscured target unless death to an innocent is immanent, such as a hostage situation. It was a bad shooting and should have been prosecuted, period.
 

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Just one of the many things that bothers me about the whole Weaver family incident is the fact that the sniper shot her through a curtained window in the door. He violated one of the most important rules about pulling the trigger, positively identify your target. He may have been pretty sure about who he was firing on, but did he know about the baby that she was holding? No matter what crimes may have or have not been committed, you just don't take a shot at an obscured target unless death to an innocent is immanent, such as a hostage situation. It was a bad shooting and should have been prosecuted, period.
He was charged with manslaughter but the charge was dismissed by a federal judge who ruled that a federal officer is immune from prosecution when acting within the scope/course of their job.

He went on to snipe at the Waco debacle. Nice guy, eh?
 
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