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    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,446944,00.html

    Tuesday , November 04, 2008
    FORT WORTH, Texas—
    A stray bullet that injured a NASCAR fan in her motor home at Texas Motor Speedway may have been from a rifle of a target shooter, police said on Tuesday. A 49-year-old man contacted police after being told of news reports that a woman was hit in the arm on Sunday morning by a bullet piercing through the roof of her recreational vehicle camped at the speedway for the Dickies 500, according to Fort Worth police.
    The man told detectives on Tuesday that he fired five or six rounds from a .50 caliber Vulcan single-shot rifle near a rifle range about five miles from the speedway from about 10 a.m. to 11 a.m., police said.
    Detectives confiscated the Vulcan rifle and will conduct ballistics tests. If it matches the recovered bullet, the man could face a charge of deadly conduct for recklessly firing a weapon in the direction of others, police said.
    The 62-year-old woman's condition was unavailable on Tuesday.


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    Oh great. Just what we need. I can hear it now. "We need to ban these awful weapons. They're just too powerful!"

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    5miles witha 50cal. Am I missing something here? Like was he shooting up in the air or no backstop?

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    I_Hate_Illinois wrote:
    Oh great. Just what we need. I can hear it now. "We need to ban these awful weapons. They're just too powerful!"
    They've already been moaning for a ban on .50 rifles for a while now. Those terrible weapons even fire heat-seeking rounds!

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    I hear these guns kill kittens and puppies, promote tooth decay, play Yoko Ono records (yes, records), and disrupt the sleep habits of any teenager that lives within a ten mile radius.

    That's what I heard, is all...
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    If they do charge him with shooting toward people, all ranges in the worldwill have toshut down to avoid this charge in the future. Think......

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    FORT WORTH, Texas— A stray bullet that injured a NASCAR fan in her motor home at Texas Motor Speedway may have been from a rifle of a target shooter, police said on Tuesday.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,446944,00.html

    A 49-year-old man contacted police after being told of news reports that a woman was hit in the arm on Sunday morning by a bullet piercing through the roof of her recreational vehicle camped at the speedway for the Dickies 500, according to Fort Worth police.
    The man told detectives on Tuesday that he fired five or six rounds from a .50 caliber Vulcan single-shot rifle near a rifle range about five miles from the speedway from about 10 a.m. to 11 a.m., police said.
    Detectives confiscated the Vulcan rifle and will conduct ballistics tests. If it matches the recovered bullet, the man could face a charge of deadly conduct for recklessly firing a weapon in the direction of others, police said.
    The 62-year-old woman's condition was unavailable on Tuesday.






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    Yeah since when was shooting a range considered 'recklessly shooting at people'?

    I also find it hard to believe that it went 5 miles. Either the range backstop was made of tin-foil or he was shooting at a 60-degree arc. I find both hard to imagine. (Shooting a .50 cal at a high angle like that would probably hurt the shoulder...)

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    Something mighty fishy here. Just TOO convenient for the gun grabbers.

    Anyone that careless would not be apt to call and report themselves and face such charges!

    I smell a set up and a fraud.
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    The invincibly ignorant here on OCDO are innumerate too.

    The first approximation of the probability of a random shot hitting a particular target is proportional to the area of the target to the area of the semi-sphere of radius 'range'.

    The approximation can be improved by removing the spherical area 'below ground' and by removing the area behind the shooter and off the axis of the range.

    But at five miles the probability is very small. At a range of a mile, the probability is on the order of 10^-6.

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    I say if that really was an intentional hit, I know who I am asking to go deer hunting with me next year
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    I bet we could set up some empty cans on the dock at Gills Rock and fire from the shores of Wash. Island and maybe be as nearly impressive as hitting a NASCAR fan. What do you say Doug, I think we have an idea for the coolest gun range in Door County! Only aiming at the cans and not racing fans...
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    What interested me, and what I'm surprised no one commented on... the article says he was firing NEAR a shooting range. He might not have been on the actual range... if that's the case, he might really have been just firing in a field etc.

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    Baradium wrote:
    What interested me, and what I'm surprised no one commented on... the article says he was firing NEAR a shooting range. He might not have been on the actual range... if that's the case, he might really have been just firing in a field etc.
    +1 First thing that jumped out at me as I was reading this thread. I would have commented on it if you had not.
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    deepdiver wrote:
    Baradium wrote:
    What interested me, and what I'm surprised no one commented on... the article says he was firing NEAR a shooting range. He might not have been on the actual range... if that's the case, he might really have been just firing in a field etc.
    +1 First thing that jumped out at me as I was reading this thread. I would have commented on it if you had not.
    Interesting point, near is a relative term. How near was "near"? Was he in the parking lot, just outside the perimeter fence, a mile down the road, in the same county? Obama supported banning gun shops within a 5 mile radius of a school, was it because he thought that this was to "near"?

    A while back I read an article on Foxnews.comthat was headlined "Gunman Shoots Up High School Dance". Imagine the horror of death and destruction in the gymnasium. As the article played out you see that it didn't occur inside the dance, but as the students were leaving. Oh no, blood on the front steps of the school, bodies in the courtyard. Then the truth came. It appeared to be gang related, and occurred 4 blocks away from the dance.

    Near is truly a relative term.

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    I am not buying the story - after fifteen minutes of research here are my findings:

    - the closest range is Quail Creek Public Shooting Range
    - the range is approximately 1.00 mile north east of the closest section of the race track property
    - the range is approximately 1.75miles north east of the farthest section of the race track property
    - the range is 100 yards
    - the range fires in a northerly direction

    Unless the bullet hit something on the backstop, reversed direction, and flew over one mile backwards...I just can't see how this happened.

    The only other option would be a negligent discharge by the operator - shooting up in the air, etc.

    Any comments?




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    Great research! You get a gold star for the job you've done. Unfortunately, it only goes to show that if the person firing the shell at the range was doing so in a safe fashion, there is no way a round would perform as described. So my guess is that some responsible shooter took blame for a misfire, or a negligent person didn't take responsibility for their stupidity. Another possibility, albeit a remote chance at that, is that someone intentionally fired in that direction. Or, the person struck was not where they claimed to be.

    It's just so hard to say.
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    Renegade wrote:
    - the closest range is Quail Creek Public Shooting Range
    - the range is approximately 1.00 mile north east of the closest section of the race track property
    - the range is approximately 1.75miles north east of the farthest section of the
    What else is in that area?

    The original article said _5_ miles from the track...


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    Interesting 'properties' on that image.

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    Would it be possible for a .50 round to go vertical off of the backstop, and drift that far? I am not familliar with the ballistics of the round, but that kind of drift seems somewhat feasable if the round still had a fairly high velocity when (if) it ricocheted off of the berm.



    just a thought.

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    Helluva good job researching, Renegade!
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    Humanphibian wrote:
    Would it be possible for a .50 round to go vertical off of the backstop, and drift that far? I am not familliar with the ballistics of the round, but that kind of drift seems somewhat feasable if the round still had a fairly high velocity when (if) it ricocheted off of the berm.



    just a thought.
    Even if it could, it wouldn't carry enough velocity that farto do the damage that was done. Remember, if it was fired down the range, it would have to reverse course to land at the track. I doubt that it would keep a stabilized trajectory after all of that. Once a bullet starts to tumble it slows to terminal velocity as it falls, it would be like a large hailstone.

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    Like a couple of others have said.....this story stinks. Any up date on it?

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