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    I live in Vancouver, but work in Portland and would like to get a CHL for Oregon. I understand that I can apply at any of the Oregon county sheriff's offices. Are there any recommendations as to which office to apply at? I'd like to apply at whichever one gives me the best chance of getting approved.

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    I have herd that Astoria is the place to go in Clatsup county for out of staters. I doubt they would consider giving you one in Multnomah Co. Your state is much more generous than ours for out of state licences.

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    Just apply at Multnomah County or Washington County. Washington County will DEFINITELY not play games with out of state CHL's.

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    My understanding is that Multnomah County is currently not playing games with non-res CHLs, based on the statements of the friendly lady behind the desk.

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    grishnav wrote:
    My understanding is that Multnomah County is currently not playing games with non-res CHLs, based on the statements of the friendly lady behind the desk.
    Thats good to hear. Is that because they finallycanned Bernie Guisto? I know he did every thing in his power to stop citizens from owning firearms. I think Bob Skiper is a good man though, glad he is in there now.

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    udy wrote:
    grishnav wrote:
    My understanding is that Multnomah County is currently not playing games with non-res CHLs, based on the statements of the friendly lady behind the desk.
    Thats good to hear. Is that because they finallycanned Bernie Guisto? I know he did every thing in his power to stop citizens from owning firearms. I think Bob Skiper is a good man though, glad he is in there now.
    I'm a little confused as to the entirety of the situation, and I'm sure we'll never know all the details, but I've been told that Bernie didn't really play with CHLs either. On one hand, Multnomah is the liberal county in Oregon, so you wouldn't expect them to issue them. On the other hand, Multnomah County never met a fee they didn't like. All I know is that when I went to recover my CHL mere moments after having finally been served the paperwork revoking it, I mentioned to the lady who did the issuance that I was moving to Washington soon, and she told me that I wouldn't have any problem getting a CHL; they currently issued to anyone that met the legal requirements. That was in early August, shortly after Skipper took power.

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    You could also apply in Columbia County (St. Helens); they have no problem w/issuing WA residents a CHL provided:

    1. You show proof of handgun safety training per ORS 166.291;

    2. You provide the Sheriff a letter stating a "compelling business or personal need" (easily done);

    3. You either submit a letter giving the Sheriff permission to run a mental health background check on you w/Olympia (WA state) OR you have a current WA Concealed Pistol License.



    Contact me if you need further info...



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    Thanks. That's good to know. Is "I work in Oregon" a compelling business need?

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    Well, there's no "good cause" in the statute. A basic and simple "I live, work, and travel in Oregon, and wish to carry there lawfully for my personal protection" should work in both Multnomah and Washington counties.

    Btw, the comment about Bernie Giusto taking away guns. That was Sheriff Dan Noelle that you're talking about.

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    Actually I ment Bernie Giusto. I heard him say as much on the radio a couple years ago on the Lars Larson show. He said it in kind of a round about way but said it none the less. I then after hearing that sent him an e-mail to display my dissapointment in his belief. He then reafirmed to methat as Sheriff his first responsibility is the safety of his officers and the easiest way to make them safe is to take away our guns altogether. He also backs Ginny Burdicks gun grabbing bills when ever she comes up with a new one. No matter now since he is no longer in the picture any way.

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    Yet he signed ATF Form 4's.

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    This is what we advise as a "sample" letter...

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    Sheriff xxxx:

    I routinely travel throughout Oregon for both business and personal reasons. I respectfully request your office allow me to apply for (and subsequently issue) an Oregon Concealed Handgun License for the purpose of personal defense. I also present with this letter proof of handgun safety training, a completed xxxxx County CHL application and other supporting documentation and fees required by ORS 166.291 and requested by the CHL Unit.

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    (your full printed legal name, address, phone number)]

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    Rangemaster wrote:
    This is what we advise as a "sample" letter...

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    Sheriff xxxx:

    I routinely travel throughout Oregon for both business and personal reasons. I respectfully request your office allow me to apply for (and subsequently issue) an Oregon Concealed Handgun License for the purpose of personal defense. I also present with this letter proof of handgun safety training, a completed xxxxx County CHL application and other supporting documentation and fees required by ORS 166.291 and requested by the CHL Unit.

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    (your full printed legal name, address, phone number)]
    Awesome! Thank you.

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    As a teenager, I took the hunter education course in Idaho. Does anyone know if this meets the handgun class requirement?

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    http://www.leg.state.or.us/ors/166.html

    Here are the training requirements.

    (A) Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the State Department of Fish and Wildlife or a similar agency of another state if handgun safety was a component of the course;

    (B) Completion of any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course if handgun safety was a component of the course;

    (C) Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by law enforcement, community college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school utilizing instructors certified by the National Rifle Association or a law enforcement agency if handgun safety was a component of the course;

    (D) Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, reserve law enforcement officers or any other law enforcement officers if handgun safety was a component of the course;

    (E) Presents evidence of equivalent experience with a handgun through participation in organized shooting competition or military service;

    (F) Is licensed or has been licensed to carry a firearm in this state, unless the license has been revoked; or

    (G) Completion of any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a firearms instructor certified by a law enforcement agency or the National Rifle Association if handgun safety was a component of the course;



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    Thanks. The problem is I took the class a long time ago and can't remember if handgun safety was a part of the course. So I was wondering if by chance there was anyone else who's tried to use an Idaho hunter education class to meet the requirement.

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    Just a guess, but the Sheriff's Dept. might make you show a course outline/syllabus for the class you took to prove it included handgun safety.

    My advice is to take a handgun class... that way there is no doubt.



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    Thanks for the sample letter!

    What can you tell me about Deschutes County?

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    13 Nov 2008: (OT) http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum4/13469.html
    I just so happen to be going about this with Washington County right now. My application goes off in the mail tomorrow morning. I have heard that Sheriff Rob Gordon there is fair on this type of thing, and they have a VERY professional 4 page application. Sheriff Gordon is also very protective of his applicants rights not to have their CHL info published or available to the public.

    17 Nov 2008:
    I just got a call from Washington County Sheriff's Office and they are denying ALL out of state applications unless the applicant has a business interest withing the county itself. I was advised to try Multnomah. I did not talk to Sheriff Gordon, but a receptionist. The exact wording was..."The sheriff is cracking down on out of state applications." So...don't bother with Washington County.

    I even own vacation property within Oregon itself, so I'm not sure now what constitutes "legitimate".

    Any other experiences out there regarding this?

    Update: Ok, I just filled out and will be sending an application to Sheriff Bob Skipper in Multnomah. Hopefully I will have better luck. I will post when I receive word one way or another.



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    So do you have to pay another application fee for Multnomah Co? Or does the Wash. Co. application fee transfer?

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    Your vacation property is legitimate.

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    Lonnie Wilson wrote:
    Your vacation property is legitimate.
    Not according to Washington County Sheriffs Dept. I was told that only in county business interests were being considered by the Sheriff for out of state requests. O well, there are other counties to apply to. :?


    RichardDavies In most of the counties you only pay the fees AFTER you interview and before they start the background check. If any of the counties ask for it just for putting in an application, your being had. I have noticed a few that are doing just that. Washington County is not one of them.

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    (9) For purposes of subsection (1)(c) of this section, a person is a resident of a county if the person: (a) Has a current Oregon driver license issued to the person showing a residence address in the county;
    (b) Is registered to vote in the county and has a memorandum card issued to the person under ORS 247.181 showing a residence address in the county;
    (c) Has documentation showing that the person currently leases or owns real property in the county; or
    (d) Has documentation showing that the person filed an Oregon tax return for the most recent tax year showing a residence address in the county

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    Lonnie Wilson wrote:
    (9) For purposes of subsection (1)(c) of this section, a person is a resident of a county if the person: (a) Has a current Oregon driver license issued to the person showing a residence address in the county;
    (b) Is registered to vote in the county and has a memorandum card issued to the person under ORS 247.181 showing a residence address in the county;
    (c) Has documentation showing that the person currently leases or owns real property in the county; or
    (d) Has documentation showing that the person filed an Oregon tax return for the most recent tax year showing a residence address in the county
    Well, they got me there. None of the properties are in Washington County. From the tone of the phone call, it sounds like they are looking for any reason to deny out of state requests, period. (of course that's not what they said, but...) I suppose by the letter of the law, they got me. I suppose I could try the counties where the properties are located.

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    So why not just apply as a resident in the county where you own your property?

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