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    Hi all, This is my first post... Pls be kind to me.

    I've been doing some research from other states, and I think the best way to get public acceptance is to serve the community. Go to youtube and search for open carry. There is a sea of people's videos showing their encounter with people who just dont understand guns, and are afraid of OC.

    One video stood out to me. A few people staged an OC trash pick up. I thought it was great!

    I OC, and I think it is a right, not to be taken away. I also like to serve my community and do good. Why not combine the two.

    Would anyone else like to set up a Utah OC trash pick up?

    If so, tell me where you'd like to do an OC trash pick up. If I can get a small (or large) group to sign up, I will arrange everything else. I will even donate free custom printed t-shirts. (so tell me your t-shirt size when comitting to the OC trash pickup... IT IS FREE TO YOU) .. If you have a logo design or idea for this event t-shirt, please let me know. You have to be OCing to get the free t-shirt.

    Does this sound like a good idea, or totally stupid. Let me know, but please post nice things.



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    cthorson wrote:
    Hi all, This is my first post...
    Happy to have you aboard.

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    I agree lets do it
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    Sweet! I'm up for it. I just hope we can do it when the weather gets better again in the spring. It's kinda hard to do it in heavy coats and stuff that will most likely cover up the sidearm during the activity.

    It would be great to notify the press as well, so they can come out and take some shots and do some quick interviews. That would really help us get the word out and show the community that we are not just a bunch of nut jobs looking for attention.

    Excellent idea,

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    I would be game for something like this. We tried earlier this year to set up a deal with the Adopt a Highway program, but that fell through when we couldn't find an acceptable location...

    Keep us informed on your plans with this, and welcome to OCDO.

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    That is a perfect idea with the press.! I have some press connections. Once we get it figured out I can make some arrangements.

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    First thing, Can we agree on a place?

    I agree we should do it soon.

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    When looking for a place, be sure to check on any surrounding schools. Not all of our members have their CFP and we don't want to have to exclude them.

    My thought:

    Jordan River Parkway (especially in the Murray section that is illegally posted no firearms?:P)


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    We can do Jordan River Parkway if you wanted. Any more ideas to consider?

    Wherever it is, I plan on notifying the city, so they are on-board and do not take it offensively.. It is pretty sad that people freak out about OC.
    If the media is involved, and I am sure they would be interested in this lead. I want OCing to seem like a normal, everyday thing. I want to display an element of respect for the community, while serving the community, while OCing.

    I havent been to the Jordan river parkway to see the sign, but is it meant that no firearms should be discharged such as hunting? or does it explicitly say no OCing?





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    cthorson wrote:
    We can do Jordan River Parkway if you wanted. Any more ideas to consider?

    Wherever it is, I plan on notifying the city, so they are on-board and do not take it offensively.. It is pretty sad that people freak out about OC.
    If the media is involved, and I am sure they would be interested in this lead. I want OCing to seem like a normal, everyday thing. I want to display an element of respect for the community, while serving the community, while OCing.

    I havent been to the Jordan river parkway to see the sign, but is it meant that no firearms should be discharged such as hunting? or does it explicitly say no OCing?
    It just says "No Firearms". The prohibition is only posted along the Murray section, AFAIK, and it holds no legal weight whatsoever.

    I am not a huge fan of notifying the city (why give them a chance to say no when we won't be breaking any laws?), but I will leave that up to the organizers. I think it would be great to let them know that a group of people is going to do a cleanup, but no need to mention firearms...

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    cthorson wrote:
    I havent...see(n) the sign....or does it explicitly say no OCing?
    76-10-500. Uniform law.
    (1) The individual right to keep and bear arms being a constitutionally protected right, the Legislature finds the need to provide uniform laws throughout the state. Except as specifically provided by state law, a citizen of the United States or a lawfully admitted alien shall not be:
    (a) prohibited from owning, possessing, purchasing, selling, transferring, transporting, or keeping any firearm at his place of residence, property, business, or in any vehicle lawfully in his possession
    (b) required to have a permit or license to purchase, own, possess, transport, or keep a firearm.
    (2) This part is uniformly applicable throughout this state and in all its political subdivisions and municipalities. All authority to regulate firearms shall be reserved to the state except where the Legislature specifically delegates responsibility to local authorities or state entities. Unless specifically authorized by the Legislature by statute, a local authority or state entity may not enact or enforce any ordinance, regulation, or rule pertaining to firearms.


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    Notification would be: "Hi, A group of people wanted to help the community. We took a vote and decided to do a trash pickup day along the Jordan River Parkway. Are there any parts of the park you'd like us to focus on?" ...

    "We will be inviting a number of people. We could have a very small turn out or a large one. Either way we feel that helping the community is a good thing to do. Thank you for he opportunity to serve the community"





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    Double tap...

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    cthorson wrote:
    Notification would be: "Hi, A group of people wanted to help the community. We took a vote and decided to do a trash pickup day along the Jordan River Parkway. Are there any parts of the park you'd like us to focus on?" ...

    "We will be inviting a number of people. We could have a very small turn out or a large one. Either way we feel that helping the community is a good thing to do. Thank you for he opportunity to serve the community"
    +1. Worded perfectly!

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    So what was the final factor that killed the adopt a highway thing? I can't remember.

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    So, lets set a date... This friday is another Utah get-together, so do you want to go for Nov 22nd?

    Can I get an in- not in roll call with shirt sizes.



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    will be their if it is a fri,sat,sun or early during the week
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    We could talk about it on Friday.

    I wouldn't be able to make it on the 22nd, that is my Anniversary weekend.

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    Okay. Lets talk on Friday about this thing... Date to be determined

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    Id be in if close to downtown. maybe the city creek canyon ? theres lots of trash near the water treatment areas. and along the trail... and its a nice hike too..

    and no schools in the canyon :P and the 22nd probally be a bad day BYU vs UTAH football game :P



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    What is the law against schools?

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    cthorson wrote:
    What is the law against schools?
    Those without permits cannot carry in "school zones" which constitutes 1000 feet from any school property according to this section of US code.

    http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/1...2----000-.html

    search the page for "school zone" or just "zone" until you find it.

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    LovesHisXD45 wrote:
    cthorson wrote:
    What is the law against schools?
    Those without permits cannot carry in "school zones" which constitutes 1000 feet from any school property according to this section of US code...
    Just to add to this: (Because seriously, how could i perfect what our future Prez has to say?! :P , vote LovesHisXD45 2012!!)

    cthorson - you can see how this "School Zone" regulation is hard for those OCers who do not retain CFPs. You get on the freeway with your OC and before you know it, BAM, your in violation due to the ten-million schools that are situated within 1000 feet of the freeway. So, THIS is an excellent argument for retaining a CFP.

    Edit: Just painting a picture...

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    Thanks for the detailed information. I really appreciate it, and I am sure it is helpful for silent readers too.

    The more and more I think about it, the more I come to the conclusion that my rights, not just the right to protect myself and family, is being attacked by people in power. There are many who wish to create programs, laws, and regulation on the false premises of wanting to make U.S.A. a freer land, but what the masses are blinded to is that those very programs, laws and regulations bind us. They take away our freedoms. They enslave our rights. That is the very thing our forefathers tried so hard toprotect us from.

    If you happen to be a religious type, You might agree that Satan wishes to take ouragency away. He is crafty foe.I once heard the best trickSatan played on mankind is to trick us into believing he is not real. I believe Satan is just as real as god. There is a war going on right now! A religous war. A war to take our acency away. The battle field ison thetvs, in our schools, in the movies, in our minds, and in the laws that bind our agency.Satan has so many people tricked into believing more laws make us free.God wants us to be free, and give us our agency. Satan seems to have a strong hold onthelaws ofthe land, the land that I love. A land that was once truely free.








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    cthorson wrote:
    ...I come to the conclusion that my rights, not just the right to protect myself and family, is being attacked by people in power. There are many who wish to create programs, laws, and regulation on the false premises of wanting to make U.S.A. a freer land, but what the masses are blinded to is that those very programs...
    Did i ever formally welcome you to OCDO? AND to be my new best friend???

    I dunno about the nutty-religious part of your post, but everything else was spot on brutha.

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