Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 39

Thread: Hope is Not Lost !

  1. #1
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Lake Charles Area, Louisiana, USA
    Posts
    1,723

    Post imported post

    I'm a little disturbed by the amount of huss&fuss I'm seeing around the board here.

    2010 is the most important for us Pro 2nd Amendment Gun owners.

    The Democratic Party DID NOT when the 60 Seats needed in the Senate to avoid a Republican Filibuster.

    This Means that Dems will not just be able to RUN Congress and pass with ease anything that they think about. And you can bet that the 60 Seats they didn't get, are feeling pretty pissed about being the only Republicans around.

    By having those 40 something Republicans in the Senate, they can indeed STALL any ridiculous Left Wing laws from passing, at least until 2010,(Re-election) when God help us, we Vote them in Some Conservative Republicans to help.

    Wiki kinda sums it up here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Senate_election,_2010

    So, can we please stand up, lift your heads and push on with the mission. We don't need to be moping around all sad b/c we got a Leftist Puppet in the Oval office.

    We need to be concerning ourselves with WHO were going to support come 2010 !

    Semper Fi

  2. #2
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Oregon, USA
    Posts
    281

    Post imported post

    Wise words. I am in full agreement.

  3. #3
    Lone Star Veteran Gator5713's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Aggieland, Texas, USA
    Posts
    593

    Post imported post

    "And all who believed said: AMEN!"
    Oops, I mean... I agree!

    The thing is that they will be able to get SOME legislation onto (he who must not be named)'s desk, and anything that restricts our individual rights will be signed by him!
    I just hope and pray that the rest of the US wakes up in the next 2 years! We need to start figuring out who we need in there NOW and start supporting them NOW to make sure that they are well known and 'the only obvious choice' in 2 years!

  4. #4
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Lake Charles Area, Louisiana, USA
    Posts
    1,723

    Post imported post

    Gator5713 wrote:
    I just hope and pray that the rest of the US wakes up in the next 2 years! We need to start figuring out who we need in there NOW and start supporting them NOW to make sure that they are well known and 'the only obvious choice' in 2 years!
    +1 - And it's right around the Corner

    There is an estimated 25 Republican seats Retiring in 2010


  5. #5
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Richmond, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    235

    Post imported post

    +1 I am in Va we do not have anything going on in 2010, I could help out MD or NC.
    "Its the Neighborly thing to do"

  6. #6
    Founder's Club Member Tess's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Alexandria, Fairfax County, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    3,765

    Post imported post

    smccomas wrote:
    +1 I am in Va we do not have anything going on in 2010, I could help out MD or NC.
    "Its the Neighborly thing to do"
    But it is NOT too early in Virginia to start identifying those to challenge Webb and Warner in 4-6 years. These guys are NOT our friends, despite their questionnaire responses. Webb no sooner got in to office than he said "My party knows I'm not a maverick" (or something very close to that). He's about the cheesiest "friend" of a gun owner we could have sent.
    Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man present his views without penalty there must be spirit of tolerance in the entire population. -Albert Einstein

  7. #7
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Richmond, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    235

    Post imported post

    Tess wrote:
    smccomas wrote:
    +1 I am in Va we do not have anything going on in 2010, I could help out MD or NC.
    "Its the Neighborly thing to do"
    But it is NOT too early in Virginia to start identifying those to challenge Webb and Warner in 4-6 years. These guys are NOT our friends, despite their questionnaire responses. Webb no sooner got in to office than he said "My party knows I'm not a maverick" (or something very close to that). He's about the cheesiest "friend" of a gun owner we could have sent.
    So true, need to find a classic conservative or a true liberal. I am of the opinion its time to get some new blood some one who hasn't been in politics. Example a CEO of a company that is one of our clients was working late and he and I got into a discussion that related to election procedures. We were debating and I missed a finer point his response was " I am not sure about that I left my copy of the constitution at home let me look it up on line" needless to say I was incorrect and humbled. I think he would be a good candidate.


    The clown that was put into office is not a liberal he is a socialist / communist
    (Please read definition lifted from wikki)

    Classical liberalism (also known as traditional liberalism[1][/sup], laissez-faire liberalism[2][/sup], market liberalism[3][/sup] or, in much of the world, simply liberalism) is a doctrine stressing individual freedom and limited government. This includes the importance of human rationality, individual property rights, natural rights, the protection of civil liberties, constitutional limitation of government, free markets, and individual freedom from restraint.

  8. #8

    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Northern Virginia
    Posts
    1,128

    Post imported post

    Republicanism is not synonymous with 'pro gun.'

    Wouldn't you rather have a solidly pro gun democrat like Warner, Webb, Casey or Tester than a luke warm independent/republican like Jeffords or Snowe?

    Failing to recognize that there are "good" democrats will only serve to alienate them, like the NRA did to Webb during his2006 senate campaign.

    If we treat Democrats like the plague, we cannot expect them to carry our water for us.

  9. #9
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Near The Beach, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    454

    Post imported post

    The Donkey wrote:
    Republicanism is not synonymous with 'pro gun.'

    Wouldn't you rather have a solidly pro gun democrat like Warner, Webb, Casey or Tester than a luke warm independent/republican like Jeffords or Snowe?

    Failing to recognize that there are "good" democrats will only serve to alienate them, like the NRA did to Webb during his2006 senate campaign.

    If we treat Democrats like the plague, we cannot expect them to carry our water for us.
    speaking of a plague



  10. #10
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Oregon, USA
    Posts
    281

    Post imported post

    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    You younger guys floor me. Do ya'll actually think the Republicans are the GOOD guys? Most every anti-constitutional violation to ooze out of congress was hatched/raised by both democrats AND republicans.
    Nope, I don't think the Republicans are the "good guys." I agree with your second assertion wholeheartedly.

    My hope is that men can be elected to the Republican seats who share my philosophy. Get rid of the big government anti-liberty folk and reform the party along the lines that smccomas has so ably described as "classical liberalism." That is what I intend to work towards.

  11. #11
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Richmond, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    235

    Post imported post

    American Rattlesnake wrote:
    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    You younger guys floor me. Do ya'll actually think the Republicans are the GOOD guys? Most every anti-constitutional violation to ooze out of congress was hatched/raised by both democrats AND republicans.
    Nope, I don't think the Republicans are the "good guys." I agree with your second assertion wholeheartedly.

    My hope is that men can be elected to the Republican seats who share my philosophy. Get rid of the big government anti-liberty folk and reform the party along the lines that smccomas has so ably described as "classical liberalism." That is what I intend to work towards.
    Sorry I cant take complete credit someone else pointed it out to me I read it and it stuck. I wish I was that smart.

  12. #12
    Founder's Club Member Tess's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Alexandria, Fairfax County, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    3,765

    Post imported post

    The Donkey wrote:
    Republicanism is not synonymous with 'pro gun.'

    Wouldn't you rather have a solidly pro gun democrat like Warner, Webb, Casey or Tester than a luke warm independent/republican like Jeffords or Snowe?

    Failing to recognize that there are "good" democrats will only serve to alienate them, like the NRA did to Webb during his2006 senate campaign.

    If we treat Democrats like the plague, we cannot expect them to carry our water for us.
    OK,enough. Webb has done NOTHING for us yet, despite his promises. You can quit the charade; the election is over. It took him TEN MONTHS to cosponsor a bill he promised to champion.

    Webb is apparently still pissed (or you are on his behalf) about the NRA endorsing Allen. However, if he bothered to read the widely published and seldom changing criteria by which NRA endorses people, he would have realized that his membership is not one of the criteria. Mark Warner tried to ******** his way out of statements about gun owners -- statements that weren't "true", and therefore deserving of "apology", until he was confronted with the tape evidence. John Warner never met a gun-control bill he didn't like.

    Republicans are, in my mind, equally as bad overall. But ON AVERAGE, they are better on gun rights.

    As I said to you last time we met face-to-face -- find a good Democrat candidate, and I'll support him. You ain't done so yet.
    Laws alone can not secure freedom of expression; in order that every man present his views without penalty there must be spirit of tolerance in the entire population. -Albert Einstein

  13. #13

    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Northern Virginia
    Posts
    1,128

    Post imported post

    Tess wrote:
    The Donkey wrote:
    . . . .
    OK,enough. Webb has done NOTHING for us yet, despite his promises. You can quit the charade; the election is over. It took him TEN MONTHS to cosponsor a bill he promised to champion.

    Webb is apparently still pissed (or you are on his behalf) about the NRA endorsing Allen. However, if he bothered to read the widely published and seldom changing criteria by which NRA endorses people, he would have realized that his membership is not one of the criteria. . . . .
    Chris Cox, who was then doubling as the head of Sportsmen for Allen and head of NRA-ILA, supposedly "lost" Webb's NRA survey just long enough to get a "?" published asWebb's final rating before the election in the NRA's magazines. I can't help but speculate about whether the conflict of interest had something to do with the loss.

    Doubtless Cox did not imagine the outcome, and Webb does not hold it against gun owners. Still, not the best way to start a goodrelationship with a friendly office-holder.

  14. #14

    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Northern Virginia
    Posts
    1,128

    Post imported post

    hlh wrote:
    Donkey, you seem to be more pro-democrat than pro-gun.
    In Virginia, Montana, Nebraska and the like, there is little conflict between the two, (unless one is created by you.)

  15. #15
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Near The Beach, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    454

    Post imported post

    The Donkey wrote:
    hlh wrote:
    Donkey, you seem to be more pro-democrat than pro-gun.
    In Virginia, Montana, Nebraska and the like, there is little conflict between the two, (unless one is created by you.)
    Sarcasm on:

    ...and we sure don't need anyone creating conflict within the ranks do we?


    Next thing you know we will have people in here supporting anti-gun rights candidates! Even apologists for the likes of Biden and Obama.
    :what:

    Sarcasm off:

    At the end of the day, I dont trust any Dem to not side with the party over support of the second amendment. Look at the support of Obama that so called pro-gun Dems have offered. Just cant trust them.


    Wait was the Sarcasm off?








  16. #16
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    Near The Beach, Virginia, USA
    Posts
    454

    Post imported post

    hlh wrote:
    Donkey, you seem to be more pro-democrat than pro-gun.
    +1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 00000000


    And with all the sites on the internet this is the one he feels the need to push his pro-dem over pro-gun views.









  17. #17
    Regular Member Deanimator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Rocky River, OH, U.S.A.
    Posts
    2,086

    Post imported post

    The Donkey wrote:
    Republicanism is not synonymous with 'pro gun.'

    Wouldn't you rather have a solidly pro gun democrat like Warner, Webb, Casey or Tester than a luke warm independent/republican like Jeffords or Snowe?

    Failing to recognize that there are "good" democrats will only serve to alienate them, like the NRA did to Webb during his2006 senate campaign.

    If we treat Democrats like the plague, we cannot expect them to carry our water for us.
    Governor Strickland of Ohio is a pro-gun Democrat.

    Obama is a fanatically anti-gun pathological liar. Those who deny that are also fanatically anti-gun pathological liars.
    --- Gun control: The theory that 110lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with 210lb. rapists.

  18. #18
    Regular Member Deanimator's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2007
    Location
    Rocky River, OH, U.S.A.
    Posts
    2,086

    Post imported post

    The Donkey wrote:
    hlh wrote:
    Donkey, you seem to be more pro-democrat than pro-gun.
    In Virginia, Montana, Nebraska and the like, there is little conflict between the two, (unless one is created by you.)
    How about Illinois?

    Where's Obama from again?

    What's his position on a handgun ban again?

    What's his position on a CCW ban again?

    As I've said before, I can't make you stop lying, but you can't make me believe you.
    --- Gun control: The theory that 110lb. women have the "right" to fistfight with 210lb. rapists.

  19. #19

    Join Date
    Sep 2006
    Location
    Northern Virginia
    Posts
    1,128

    Post imported post

    hlh wrote:
    The Donkey wrote:
    hlh wrote:
    Donkey, you seem to be more pro-democrat than pro-gun.
    . . . .
    Donkey, you're not thinking, you're sounding like a normal non-thinking donkeycrat. You completely missed the point I made about how that voting for pro-gun donkey's puts gun grabbing donkeycrats in charge. Fix that problem and what you're saying won't sound so ludicrous.
    Itdepends. In the House, at times, non-arms related procedural votes have mattered on gun issues, but there are a significant minority of pro-gun dems who must be considered on substantive gun control measures (like our Boucher).In the Senate,it matters less who is "in charge."But eliminate the pro gun dems in the Senate now and you wouldhave the filibuster proof block of anti-gunners that many on this site fear. Consider a Senator Tom Davis-R, instead of a Senator Mark Warner-D, for example.

    As for me, I have been exhibiting at gun shows since age 4, and started carrying while working my way through law school at a gun store. I learned a lot about the stupidity of much gun law from the experiences. Nevertheless, I find myself deeply unmoved by the calls to "stock up" every time a democrat gets elected somewhere.

    I

  20. #20
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Oregon, USA
    Posts
    281

    Post imported post

    The Donkey:

    "...there are a significant minority of pro-gun dems who must be considered on substantive gun control measures (like our Boucher).In the Senate,it matters less who is "in charge."But eliminate the pro gun dems in the Senate now and you wouldhave the filibuster proof block of anti-gunners that many on this site fear."

    I believe you have a good point here. Not allDemocrats are interested in gun control. The sticker, however, for many on this site and, I confess, for myself to a somewhat lesser degree, is this quote buried in the first page:

    DonTreadOnMe wrote:
    At the end of the day, I dont trust any Dem to not side with the party over support of the second amendment.
    For a long time party politics has ruled the day. Do we need to get past that? Yes. Will the Democrats who profess to be pro-gun side with their party in a legislative battle...? I don't have an answer at this time...but history is not reassuring on this point.

  21. #21
    State Researcher .40 Cal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    COTEP FOREVER!, North Carolina, USA
    Posts
    1,379

    Post imported post

    I don't know what you guys are worried about. Democrats are going to be non partisan from now on. Even Obama is going to reach accross the aisle. Look, he's appointing :quirky... Never mind.

    Besides we don't need to worry as much about the next Congressional race. It will not feature the star power of the Messiah, the ones that wanted to feel like they were a part of something feel justified, the usual voters during these elections are more informed, and the sheeple have eased their warm and fuzzies because they brought change to Washington and that is all that they needed to do.



  22. #22
    State Researcher .40 Cal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    COTEP FOREVER!, North Carolina, USA
    Posts
    1,379

    Post imported post

    I don't know what you guys are worried about. Democrats are going to be non partisan from now on. Even Obama is going to reach accross the aisle. Look, he's appointing :quirky... Never mind.

    Besides we don't need to worry as much about the next Congressional race. It will not feature the star power of the Messiah, the ones that wanted to feel like they were a part of something feel justified, the usual voters during these elections are more informed, and the sheeple have eased their warm and fuzzies because they brought change to Washington and that is all that they needed to do.



  23. #23
    Regular Member LovesHisXD45's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    , Utah, USA
    Posts
    580

    Post imported post

    It's not the end of the world folks. No matter what happens, life will go on. I don't think this country is ready to hand over all its freedoms just yet. Let's see how things are in 2012 and just deal with this transition as best we can. Like others have stated, be vigilant and keep pushing our cause to our representatives, and everything will be ok. Even if Obama reinstates the assault weapons ban, you can still carry your sidearm CC or OC according the the state in which you live.

    It is highly unlikely that the house and senate will be able to push through any significant legislation that will actually effect your main means of self defense with a firearm, which constitutes carrying a semiautomatic handgun. It would be political suicide for any politician to significantly alter the gun culture in this country with over 80 million gun owners who would love to vote them out of office for trying.

    The fact of the matter is this: It is what it is. What has happened has happened. There is nothing you can say or do to change the fact the Barack Obama is our future President and Commander N Chief or our armed forces. All we can do is urge our representatives to vote our way on the gun issues. It will either fail, or it will succeed. If it succeeds, then we are joyful. If it fails, then we just deal with it the best we can. There is little else we can do other than this and continue to be peaceful society.

    Besides, we all know how this history ends. Armegeddon has to some about somehow. This is the time in history where the shee is going to hit the fan sooner or later. It is only a matter of time. Whether it's 4 years or 8 years or 12 years out in the future, you can bet that it's coming one way or another. It is inevitable.

    I personally believe that gun owernship in this country will never be significantly called into question, because my theory on what sets off the world-altering events is the formation of the One-World order and the eventual attack on Isreal that will pull the USA into a mideast conflict after 7 years of peace in the region. All of the other countries in the "world order" will cower and refuse to enter the conflict to protect Isreal. The United States will, once again, stand alone and rush to help Isreal push back it's agressors. It will be the bloodiest and most contested war in all of history and will usher in the end of days as we know it. Well, most of you know the rest of the story after that. Of course, this is all just my opinion and completely open to attack and disagreement from many many people, both pro and anti-gun. Last I checked, I had a right to an opinion too.

    Kevin
    If it isn't broke, then don't fix it, or you'll fix it until it's broke.

  24. #24
    Regular Member Flintlock's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Location
    Alaska, USA
    Posts
    1,224

    Post imported post

    Taking care of business at home (read: worry more about your local elections..) is of vital importance. Obama won't be able to do significant damage to our 2nd amendment rights without a House and Senate passed bill that reaches his desk. Please be vigilant and write your Represenatives and Governors, etc. Be involved and informed about your locality and the issues of your state, and that of your country.

    If you are not part of any pro-gun organizations, then please join one. Our strength is in numbers and the louder that voice is, the better off we are going to be.
    Peace through superior firepower

    Luke 11:21
    "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are undisturbed.

  25. #25
    Regular Member LovesHisXD45's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    , Utah, USA
    Posts
    580

    Post imported post

    hlh wrote:
    LoveshisXD45: I can tell you know your Bible prophecy!
    Aye, and it is unfortunate how accurate those prophecies are turning out to be. It doesn't give us much to look forward to.

    Kevin
    If it isn't broke, then don't fix it, or you'll fix it until it's broke.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •