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Hope is Not Lost !

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I'm a little disturbed by the amount of huss&fuss I'm seeing around the board here.

2010 is the most important for us Pro 2nd Amendment Gun owners.

The Democratic Party DID NOT when the 60 Seats needed in the Senate to avoid a Republican Filibuster.

This Means that Dems will not just be able to RUN Congress and pass with ease anything that they think about. And you can bet that the 60 Seats they didn't get, are feeling pretty pissed about being the only Republicans around.

By having those 40 something Republicans in the Senate, they can indeed STALL any ridiculous Left Wing laws from passing, at least until 2010,(Re-election) when God help us, we Vote them in Some Conservative Republicans to help.

Wiki kinda sums it up here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Senate_election,_2010

So, can we please stand up, lift your heads and push on with the mission. We don't need to be moping around all sad b/c we got a Leftist Puppet in the Oval office.

We need to be concerning ourselves with WHO were going to support come 2010 !

Semper Fi
 

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"And all who believed said: AMEN!"
Oops, I mean... I agree!

The thing is that they will be able to get SOME legislation onto (he who must not be named)'s desk, and anything that restricts our individual rights will be signed by him!
I just hope and pray that the rest of the US wakes up in the next 2 years! We need to start figuring out who we need in there NOW and start supporting them NOW to make sure that they are well known and 'the only obvious choice' in 2 years!
 

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Gator5713 wrote:
I just hope and pray that the rest of the US wakes up in the next 2 years! We need to start figuring out who we need in there NOW and start supporting them NOW to make sure that they are well known and 'the only obvious choice' in 2 years!
+1 - And it's right around the Corner

There is an estimated 25 Republican seats Retiring in 2010
 

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smccomas wrote:
+1 I am in Va we do not have anything going on in 2010, I could help out MD or NC.
"Its the Neighborly thing to do" :)
But it is NOT too early in Virginia to start identifying those to challenge Webb and Warner in 4-6 years. These guys are NOT our friends, despite their questionnaire responses. Webb no sooner got in to office than he said "My party knows I'm not a maverick" (or something very close to that). He's about the cheesiest "friend" of a gun owner we could have sent.
 
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You younger guys floor me. Do ya'll actually think the Republicans are the GOOD guys? Most every anti-constitutional violation to ooze out of congress was hatched/raised by both democrats AND republicans.
It's the old good cop/bad cop routine, and ya'll fall for it every time.
 

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Tess wrote:
smccomas wrote:
+1 I am in Va we do not have anything going on in 2010, I could help out MD or NC.
"Its the Neighborly thing to do" :)
But it is NOT too early in Virginia to start identifying those to challenge Webb and Warner in 4-6 years. These guys are NOT our friends, despite their questionnaire responses. Webb no sooner got in to office than he said "My party knows I'm not a maverick" (or something very close to that). He's about the cheesiest "friend" of a gun owner we could have sent.
So true, need to find a classic conservative or a true liberal. I am of the opinion its time to get some new blood some one who hasn't been in politics. Example a CEO of a company that is one of our clients was working late and he and I got into a discussion that related to election procedures. We were debating and I missed a finer point his response was " I am not sure about that I left my copy of the constitution at home let me look it up on line" needless to say I was incorrect and humbled. I think he would be a good candidate.


The clown that was put into office is not a liberal he is a socialist / communist
(Please read definition lifted from wikki)

Classical liberalism (also known as traditional liberalism[1][/sup], laissez-faire liberalism[2][/sup], market liberalism[3][/sup] or, in much of the world, simply liberalism) is a doctrine stressing individual freedom and limited government. This includes the importance of human rationality, individual property rights, natural rights, the protection of civil liberties, constitutional limitation of government, free markets, and individual freedom from restraint.
 

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Republicanism is not synonymous with 'pro gun.'

Wouldn't you rather have a solidly pro gun democrat like Warner, Webb, Casey or Tester than a luke warm independent/republican like Jeffords or Snowe?

Failing to recognize that there are "good" democrats will only serve to alienate them, like the NRA did to Webb during his2006 senate campaign.

If we treat Democrats like the plague, we cannot expect them to carry our water for us.
 

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The Donkey wrote:
Republicanism is not synonymous with 'pro gun.'

Wouldn't you rather have a solidly pro gun democrat like Warner, Webb, Casey or Tester than a luke warm independent/republican like Jeffords or Snowe?

Failing to recognize that there are "good" democrats will only serve to alienate them, like the NRA did to Webb during his2006 senate campaign.

If we treat Democrats like the plague, we cannot expect them to carry our water for us.

speaking of a plague
 

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mark edward marchiafava wrote:
You younger guys floor me. Do ya'll actually think the Republicans are the GOOD guys? Most every anti-constitutional violation to ooze out of congress was hatched/raised by both democrats AND republicans.
Nope, I don't think the Republicans are the "good guys." I agree with your second assertion wholeheartedly.

My hope is that men can be elected to the Republican seats who share my philosophy. Get rid of the big government anti-liberty folk and reform the party along the lines that smccomas has so ably described as "classical liberalism." That is what I intend to work towards.
 

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American Rattlesnake wrote:
mark edward marchiafava wrote:
You younger guys floor me. Do ya'll actually think the Republicans are the GOOD guys? Most every anti-constitutional violation to ooze out of congress was hatched/raised by both democrats AND republicans.
Nope, I don't think the Republicans are the "good guys." I agree with your second assertion wholeheartedly.

My hope is that men can be elected to the Republican seats who share my philosophy. Get rid of the big government anti-liberty folk and reform the party along the lines that smccomas has so ably described as "classical liberalism." That is what I intend to work towards.
Sorry I cant take complete credit someone else pointed it out to me I read it and it stuck. I wish I was that smart.
 

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The Donkey wrote:
Republicanism is not synonymous with 'pro gun.'

Wouldn't you rather have a solidly pro gun democrat like Warner, Webb, Casey or Tester than a luke warm independent/republican like Jeffords or Snowe?

Failing to recognize that there are "good" democrats will only serve to alienate them, like the NRA did to Webb during his2006 senate campaign.

If we treat Democrats like the plague, we cannot expect them to carry our water for us.
OK,enough. Webb has done NOTHING for us yet, despite his promises. You can quit the charade; the election is over. It took him TEN MONTHS to cosponsor a bill he promised to champion.

Webb is apparently still pissed (or you are on his behalf) about the NRA endorsing Allen. However, if he bothered to read the widely published and seldom changing criteria by which NRA endorses people, he would have realized that his membership is not one of the criteria. Mark Warner tried to bullshit his way out of statements about gun owners -- statements that weren't "true", and therefore deserving of "apology", until he was confronted with the tape evidence. John Warner never met a gun-control bill he didn't like.

Republicans are, in my mind, equally as bad overall. But ON AVERAGE, they are better on gun rights.

As I said to you last time we met face-to-face -- find a good Democrat candidate, and I'll support him. You ain't done so yet.
 

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Tess wrote:
The Donkey wrote:
OK,enough. Webb has done NOTHING for us yet, despite his promises. You can quit the charade; the election is over. It took him TEN MONTHS to cosponsor a bill he promised to champion.

Webb is apparently still pissed (or you are on his behalf) about the NRA endorsing Allen. However, if he bothered to read the widely published and seldom changing criteria by which NRA endorses people, he would have realized that his membership is not one of the criteria. . . . .

Chris Cox, who was then doubling as the head of Sportsmen for Allen and head of NRA-ILA, supposedly "lost" Webb's NRA survey just long enough to get a "?" published asWebb's final rating before the election in the NRA's magazines. I can't help but speculate about whether the conflict of interest had something to do with the loss.

Doubtless Cox did not imagine the outcome, and Webb does not hold it against gun owners. Still, not the best way to start a goodrelationship with a friendly office-holder.
 

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The Donkey wrote:
hlh wrote:
Donkey, you seem to be more pro-democrat than pro-gun.
In Virginia, Montana, Nebraska and the like, there is little conflict between the two, (unless one is created by you.):)

Sarcasm on:

...and we sure don't need anyone creating conflict within the ranks do we?
:uhoh:

Next thing you know we will have people in here supporting anti-gun rights candidates! Even apologists for the likes of Biden and Obama.
:what:

Sarcasm off:

At the end of the day, I dont trust any Dem to not side with the party over support of the second amendment. Look at the support of Obama that so called pro-gun Dems have offered. Just cant trust them.
;)

Wait was the Sarcasm off?
 

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The Donkey wrote:
Republicanism is not synonymous with 'pro gun.'

Wouldn't you rather have a solidly pro gun democrat like Warner, Webb, Casey or Tester than a luke warm independent/republican like Jeffords or Snowe?

Failing to recognize that there are "good" democrats will only serve to alienate them, like the NRA did to Webb during his2006 senate campaign.

If we treat Democrats like the plague, we cannot expect them to carry our water for us.

Governor Strickland of Ohio is a pro-gun Democrat.

Obama is a fanatically anti-gun pathological liar. Those who deny that are also fanatically anti-gun pathological liars.
 

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The Donkey wrote:
hlh wrote:
Donkey, you seem to be more pro-democrat than pro-gun.
In Virginia, Montana, Nebraska and the like, there is little conflict between the two, (unless one is created by you.):)

How about Illinois?

Where's Obama from again?

What's his position on a handgun ban again?

What's his position on a CCW ban again?

As I've said before, I can't make you stop lying, but you can't make me believe you.
 

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hlh wrote:
The Donkey wrote:
hlh wrote:
Donkey, you seem to be more pro-democrat than pro-gun.
. . . .:)
Donkey, you're not thinking, you're sounding like a normal non-thinking donkeycrat. You completely missed the point I made about how that voting for pro-gun donkey's puts gun grabbing donkeycrats in charge. Fix that problem and what you're saying won't sound so ludicrous.

Itdepends. In the House, at times, non-arms related procedural votes have mattered on gun issues, but there are a significant minority of pro-gun dems who must be considered on substantive gun control measures (like our Boucher).In the Senate,it matters less who is "in charge."But eliminate the pro gun dems in the Senate now and you wouldhave the filibuster proof block of anti-gunners that many on this site fear. Consider a Senator Tom Davis-R, instead of a Senator Mark Warner-D, for example.

As for me, I have been exhibiting at gun shows since age 4, and started carrying while working my way through law school at a gun store. I learned a lot about the stupidity of much gun law from the experiences. Nevertheless, I find myself deeply unmoved by the calls to "stock up" every time a democrat gets elected somewhere.

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