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    I seen someone mention wanting these to cease in another post. Well it is going to happen. I copied this off a web site and I would like to find it on the state of michigan web site but I don't know how. If anyone finds it please through up a link in your post. I would just like to verify this info as correct.



    Safety Inspection for Pistols changes in Michigan take effect



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    The so-called "safety inspection" is eliminated. The seller of a pistol shall immediately record the sale on a 4-part (quadruplicate) form provided by the Department of State Police, which the purchaser shall sign. One copy is kept by the seller. One copy is kept by purchaser. Two copies are sent to the police department or county sheriff within 10 days. The forms can be hand-delivered or sent by first-class or certified mail (I recommend certified and hang onto your receipts.) Failure to comply with this rule is civil infraction punishable by a fine of $250 maximum. Violations will also be reported to the state police and the county gun board. The police agency will forward one copy to the state police within 48 hours, and keep the other for at least 6 years. The state police will enter the information into the computer data base within 10 days of receiving it. The purchaser has a right to get a copy of the information that is entered to verify the accuracy of the information. The police or sheriff's department can charge a fee of $1.00 maximum for the copy. The purchaser has to keep his/her copy of the form while carrying or using the pistol for the first 30 days after purchase. After that time, the form need not be carried.

    This law takes effect January 7th, 2009. Public Acts No. 194, 195, 196




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    I found the new law on purchasing pistols and this info is correct. Here is the link if you don't want to read the whole thing just look at (5).

    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(y51...d&query=on

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    LittleMan wrote:
    I seen someone mention wanting these to cease in another post. Well it is going to happen. I copied this off a web site and I would like to find it on the state of michigan web site but I don't know how. If anyone finds it please through up a link in your post. I would just like to verify this info as correct.



    Safety Inspection for Pistols changes in Michigan take effect



    January, 7th 2009.



    The so-called "safety inspection" is eliminated. The seller of a pistol shall immediately record the sale on a 4-part (quadruplicate) form provided by the Department of State Police, which the purchaser shall sign. One copy is kept by the seller. One copy is kept by purchaser. Two copies are sent to the police department or county sheriff within 10 days. The forms can be hand-delivered or sent by first-class or certified mail (I recommend certified and hang onto your receipts.) Failure to comply with this rule is civil infraction punishable by a fine of $250 maximum. Violations will also be reported to the state police and the county gun board. The police agency will forward one copy to the state police within 48 hours, and keep the other for at least 6 years. The state police will enter the information into the computer data base within 10 days of receiving it. The purchaser has a right to get a copy of the information that is entered to verify the accuracy of the information. The police or sheriff's department can charge a fee of $1.00 maximum for the copy. The purchaser has to keep his/her copy of the form while carrying or using the pistol for the first 30 days after purchase. After that time, the form need not be carried.

    This law takes effect January 7th, 2009. Public Acts No. 194, 195, 196




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    I found the new law on purchasing pistols and this info is correct. Here is the link if you don't want to read the whole thing just look at (5).

    http://www.legislature.mi.gov/(S(y51q3p45lw23epb23bs5je45))/mileg.aspx?page=getobject&objectname=mcl-28-422-amended&query=on
    That's annoying...

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    Is it just me, or is this change pretty lame?
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    The bill wold have originally repealed Michigan's registration scheme entirely.

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    Mike wrote:
    The bill wold have originally repealed Michigan's registration scheme entirely.
    Yup, and now, the BEST thing it does is save me a trip to the police station, assuming I want to trust (and pay for) the mail.

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    First-class or certified will still require an additional trip in lieu of safety inspection. I would rather go to the PD, get a copy of the info ($1:00) that would cost you anyway for the certified mail and be done with it. However, I'm fully aware of the shenanigans PD's pull on those who went in for SI in the past and those who are unable to make the (illegal) time frame the PD's set. :?

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    SpringerXDacp wrote:
    First-class or certified will still require an additional trip in lieu of safety inspection. I would rather go to the PD, get a copy of the info ($1:00) that would cost you anyway for the certified mail and be done with it. However, I'm fully aware of the shenanigans PD's pull on those who went in for SI in the past and those who are unable to make the (illegal) time frame the PD's set. :?
    I'm pretty sure you can have your mail picked up at your home in most places. At least first-class. Either way, I see no benefit to this.

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    SQLtables wrote:
    SpringerXDacp wrote:
    First-class or certified will still require an additional trip in lieu of safety inspection. I would rather go to the PD, get a copy of the info ($1:00) that would cost you anyway for the certified mail and be done with it. However, I'm fully aware of the shenanigans PD's pull on those who went in for SI in the past and those who are unable to make the (illegal) time frame the PD's set. :?
    I'm pretty sure you can have your mail picked up at your home in most places. At least first-class. Either way, I see no benefit to this.
    If you meant Public Acts No. 194, 195, 196 I agree 100%. If so, the "gun grabbers" will be the only ones to benefit.

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    I won't have to be at the PD on tues between 1-1:10pm for safety inspection. That is the benifit. I don't want to have to take a day off in order to buy a pistol. The post office has better hours for me to work around.

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    I don't want to have to take a day off in order to buy a pistol.

    Not to be offensive, but that is the attitude of the average person that got this bill passed. It's human nature, you can most certainly get a bill passed easier if you make it easier for John Q. Public. We went from the inconvience of a useless safety inspection, (disguised registration) to a REQUIRED REGISTRATION! So I say; "How was this a win in any way"? It wasthe loss of a right by the gain of a mere convience. This is how we lose gentlemen.

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    Is Michigan still denying they have a registration scheme?


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    KBCraig wrote:
    Is Michigan still denying they have a registration scheme?
    Not anymore.

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    So, do I need to "register" a pistol that I currently own and havea safety inspection cardfor?
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    JeffSayers wrote:
    So, do I need to "register" a pistol that I currently own and havea safety inspection cardfor?
    If you have a legally registered pistol in Michigan you do not need to do anything.

    If you registerone after the new law takes effect, you need to keep the registration paper with you for 30 days. This is to allow your registration info to get entered into the data set. After the 30 days you wont have to have any paperwork with you on the registration of that handgun.
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    I know I'm going to open a can of worms. Why do you feel its a problem the state requires your handgun to be registered?

    I'm probably going to sound like a liberal but oh well. I don't believe BIG GOVERNMENT is a good thing but I do think handgun registration is a good thing. I'm a law abiding citizen that doesn't mind if the Government knows I own a gun. Like the Liberals say "Don't do anything wrong and you don't have to worry about it." There is a need for law and order in the United States of America. I also don't believe felons should be able to own guns. I think the issuing of a purchase permit is also a good law. I'm not naive and I know I can go pick up a gun illegally any time I want andthese laws don'tprevent people from obtaining guns. Restrictions are a must whether you like it or not. If there weren't any you might have even more of a reason to carry.

    Just my thoughts and opinions. I'm not against gun laws that have a good purpose and don't restrict law abiding citizens from owning them.


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    Little Man: You make good points and have valid arguments to support them. However, it always starts with losing one right at a time and then before you can regain control the domino effect has started and you won't recover. The fiasco of Great Britan and other countries that have outlawed individual possesion of firearms have and will pay the price. It's not a fair comparrison but: LOCKS... are only to keep the honest people honest and almost slow the BG's a little. Registration is a guise to a false sense of security the liberals spoon feed to the sheeple to calm them down and lull them into a sense that something is being done about crime. Another comparison....THE DRUG WAR... we all see almost daily how well goverments have been handling that one. Just my .02....

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    LittleMan wrote:
    I know I'm going to open a can of worms. Why do you feel its a problem the state requires your handgun to be registered?

    I'm probably going to sound like a liberal but oh well. I don't believe BIG GOVERNMENT is a good thing but I do think handgun registration is a good thing. I'm a law abiding citizen that doesn't mind if the Government knows I own a gun. Like the Liberals say "Don't do anything wrong and you don't have to worry about it." There is a need for law and order in the United States of America. I also don't believe felons should be able to own guns. I think the issuing of a purchase permit is also a good law. I'm not naive and I know I can go pick up a gun illegally any time I want andthese laws don'tprevent people from obtaining guns. Restrictions are a must whether you like it or not. If there weren't any you might have even more of a reason to carry.

    Just my thoughts and opinions. I'm not against gun laws that have a good purpose and don't restrict law abiding citizens from owning them.
    This is why this crap passes.

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    Registration often leads to confiscation, Little Man. Especially in the more restrictive states.

    While it is nice to know that the MSP can track my pistol back to me if it is stolen and they recover it, I'd still rather they not know I have it. What business of theirs should it be that I am armed? It's my constitutional obligation to be armed, so why should the government give me permission to get a gun? Registration is bull ****.
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    LittleMan wrote:
    I'm not against gun laws that have a good purpose and don't restrict law abiding citizens from owning them.
    I've never seen a gun law with a "good" purpose, that didnt endup hurting law abiding gun owners and citizens.
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    I know I'm going to open a can of worms. Why do you feel its a problem the state requires your handgun to be registered?

    I'm probably going to sound like a liberal but oh well. I don't believe BIG GOVERNMENT is a good thing but I do think handgun registration is a good thing. I'm a law abiding citizen that doesn't mind if the Government knows I own a gun. Like the Liberals say "Don't do anything wrong and you don't have to worry about it." There is a need for law and order in the United States of America. I also don't believe felons should be able to own guns. I think the issuing of a purchase permit is also a good law. I'm not naive and I know I can go pick up a gun illegally any time I want andthese laws don'tprevent people from obtaining guns. Restrictions are a must whether you like it or not. If there weren't any you might have even more of a reason to carry.

    Just my thoughts and opinions. I'm not against gun laws that have a good purpose and don't restrict law abiding citizens from owning them.
    This is why this crap passes.
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    If your going to say stuff like that try to elaborate on it. I love your one line answers. Its hard to take you seriously without an explanation on why you feel the way you feel. I'm not trying to be mean but you will never change my opinion like that. If you disagree with someone you should state why you don't agree with valid points. Thank you


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    LittleMan wrote:
    I also don't believe felons should be able to own guns. I think the issuing of a purchase permit is also a good law. I'm not naive and I know I can go pick up a gun illegally any time I want andthese laws don'tprevent people from obtaining guns. Restrictions are a must whether you like it or not. If there weren't any you might have even more of a reason to carry.

    Just my thoughts and opinions. I'm not against gun laws that have a good purpose and don't restrict law abiding citizens from owning them.
    Well, you see, the statement about felons owning guns. That is the real challenge. Registration does no good for keeping the felons from getting a pistol. They do not go through normal channels. To say "gun laws that have a good purpose and don't restrict law abiding citizens from owning them." is an oxymoron. It's a sentence that does not make logical sense. IE there are no good gun laws that are restrictive. If you purchase a pistol, you have to fill out the required info, like all other firearms, and that info is fed into the NCIC and NCIS in seconds. Truthfully answering the questions would deem you qualified or disqualified at THAT point. If you obtain a pistol and then sold it to a felon, any registration of that pistol is now useless as you don't have possession anymore, and he is possible to use it for illegal purposes even in another state, with no one knowing he even had it. The crime is committed then, before the state would have any way to trace back what had happened to the pistol in a paper trail.

    You see, gun control laws are reactive, and delayed, meaning they don't prevent any crime, they just impair (reads "infringed") the lawful citizen from self protection.

    Is this making any sense?

    I have a pistol. I obtained it legally and it is registered with Michigan State Police. They have knowledge that this pistol is located in my possession. I sell the pistol to John Dillinger (fictional) who pays me 3 x what I paid for it because he knows he cannot simply go in a buy a pistol. I tell report that someone broke into my house and stole my pistol. It's a cash transaction, and you couldn't prove otherwise in a court of law. Now John Dillinger shoots and kills 2 people and ditches the pistol in a river and it is never recovered.

    How did my registration prevent any crime? What happened to my original pistol that was stolen (fictional)? No one knows....

    New scenario. same pistol sold to John Dillinger, reported as stolen (fictional). He tries robbing those 2 people again that he had killed in previous paragraph. They had easily obtained a pistol for self protection with no gun law "infringing" upon their right. THEY are now "People who have the right to keep and bare arms". Now one of the 2 people defends themselves against John Dillinger, and he is killed. Violent crime is NOW prevented. John Dillinger is now dead from his illegal actions. Taxpayers don't spend 6 figures keeping him in jail for the rest of his life. But, more importantly, the other "John Dillingers" are now a bit worried about armed robbery. "Perhaps" they think, "we should give crimes of non-confrontal nature a bit more focus. They are now more apt to steal boats and other things that do not involve human intervention, fearing they may loose their life and it's just not worth the risk.

    Crime doesn't' stop, but the criminal substitutes to lesser violent crime against property and less against people. The main thing is boats and cars are replaceable. People are not. Police can work at catching a car criminal as patterns they leave behind usually catch up with them, but at no expense of human life.







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    LittleMan wrote:
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    LittleMan wrote:
    I know I'm going to open a can of worms. Why do you feel its a problem the state requires your handgun to be registered?

    I'm probably going to sound like a liberal but oh well. I don't believe BIG GOVERNMENT is a good thing but I do think handgun registration is a good thing. I'm a law abiding citizen that doesn't mind if the Government knows I own a gun. Like the Liberals say "Don't do anything wrong and you don't have to worry about it." There is a need for law and order in the United States of America. I also don't believe felons should be able to own guns. I think the issuing of a purchase permit is also a good law. I'm not naive and I know I can go pick up a gun illegally any time I want andthese laws don'tprevent people from obtaining guns. Restrictions are a must whether you like it or not. If there weren't any you might have even more of a reason to carry.

    Just my thoughts and opinions. I'm not against gun laws that have a good purpose and don't restrict law abiding citizens from owning them.
    This is why this crap passes.
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    If your going to say stuff like that try to elaborate on it. I love your one line answers. Its hard to take you seriously without an explanation on why you feel the way you feel. I'm not trying to be mean but you will never change my opinion like that. If you disagree with someone you should state why you don't agree with valid points. Thank you


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    Thank you for your opinions and keeping them polite. I understand your points of views and where you are coming from.

    I thought it was pretty straight forward. People who think the way you do get laws like this passed, because you think it's OK. This just leads to more laws. Registration leads to confiscation. You're points are not valid. No gun law has a good purpose. No gun law makes sense. OK, I might agree with you on felons, but even that could use some work. I suppose you think people should have training and a permit before they open carry?

    You don't have to take me seriously, it doesn't make much of a difference. I've found that it usually isn't possible to change the opinion of people who think like you, and think it's ok to give up freedom so the government can take more control over your life.

    Anyway, I'm sorry if I offended you, I didn't mean to. It just makes me go crazy when I hear talk like this because this is exactly why our gun laws are as bad as they are, and are going to get much, much worse.

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    SQLtables wrote:
    LittleMan wrote:
    SQLtables wrote:
    LittleMan wrote:
    I know I'm going to open a can of worms. Why do you feel its a problem the state requires your handgun to be registered?

    I'm probably going to sound like a liberal but oh well. I don't believe BIG GOVERNMENT is a good thing but I do think handgun registration is a good thing. I'm a law abiding citizen that doesn't mind if the Government knows I own a gun. Like the Liberals say "Don't do anything wrong and you don't have to worry about it." There is a need for law and order in the United States of America. I also don't believe felons should be able to own guns. I think the issuing of a purchase permit is also a good law. I'm not naive and I know I can go pick up a gun illegally any time I want andthese laws don'tprevent people from obtaining guns. Restrictions are a must whether you like it or not. If there weren't any you might have even more of a reason to carry.

    Just my thoughts and opinions. I'm not against gun laws that have a good purpose and don't restrict law abiding citizens from owning them.
    This is why this crap passes.
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    If your going to say stuff like that try to elaborate on it. I love your one line answers. Its hard to take you seriously without an explanation on why you feel the way you feel. I'm not trying to be mean but you will never change my opinion like that. If you disagree with someone you should state why you don't agree with valid points. Thank you


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    Thank you for your opinions and keeping them polite. I understand your points of views and where you are coming from.

    I thought it was pretty straight forward. People who think the way you do get laws like this passed, because you think it's OK. This just leads to more laws. Registration leads to confiscation. You're points are not valid. No gun law has a good purpose. No gun law makes sense. OK, I might agree with you on felons, but even that could use some work. I suppose you think people should have training and a permit before they open carry?

    You don't have to take me seriously, it doesn't make much of a difference. I've found that it usually isn't possible to change the opinion of people who think like you, and think it's ok to give up freedom so the government can take more control over your life.

    Anyway, I'm sorry if I offended you, I didn't mean to. It just makes me go crazy when I hear talk like this because this is exactly why our gun laws are as bad as they are, and are going to get much, much worse.
    Pretty much sums it up right there.



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    I appreciate all your comments.

    First of all I DO believe you should have training before ever handling a gun. It would be stupid to handle any dangerous weapon/item without knowing how to properly handle said item. I don't believe you should be required to have a permit forANY type of carry. I also think there shouldn't be any restrictions on where you can carry. Please, don't lump me in with all those leftist wackos.

    Heres a list of good firearm laws:

    MCL 28.430 Theft of firearm, report required

    MCL 750.230 Firearms; altering, removing, or obliterating marks of identity

    MCL 750.234 All sections. Includes laws on unlawful discharge, brandishing andperson under 18 possessing firearms.


    I can't find the law but I know it there about your responsibility asa gun owner tokept it outof children's hands. Idon't suppose anyone here thinks we shouldgivekids guns if they are UNsupervised. I do support allowing kids to handle and use guns in a safe and supervised environment.

    All the laws that make crimes more serious when they are committed with a gun.

    I'm sure there are other laws probably plenty of them.

    I do agree thatmost laws arereactive hence the term "breaking the law." Proper registration helps enforce broken laws. Purchase permits helpkeep gunsout of the wrong hands (This is not a reactive law). Laws made this nation a civilized nation without law and order we would justbe another third world country.

    Warchild said, "However, it always starts with losing one right at a time and then before you can regain control the domino effect has started and you won't recover". I'm curious when and where we were granted the right to own an unregistered gun. No where in the second amendment does it say gun laws cannot be established. It gives you the right to keep and bear arms thats it.


    I always listen to people when they disagree with me and weigh their opinions against mine. I like to use my brain and figure things out for myself. Many people over the years have helped change my mind on hundreds of issues by showing me whats on the other side of the fence. So please share your opinions with me I enjoy otherpeople thoughts.




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    Little Man said "I'm curious when and where we were granted the right to own an unregistered gun."

    We were granted the right when the Bill of Rights was written. NO ONE back then registered any firearms. It was in England that they made the law that said any firearms manufactures had to mark the firearms to be identified IE serial numbers.

    Back in Nebraska, where I'm from there are many firearms that are not registerd to the present owner. Many are passed down through relatives, or friends. I've heard of things like cameras or binoculars being traded for pistols that the party did not want anymore. These "unregistered" firearms may get used and shot occasionally, but they are in the hands of law abiding citizens that use them with respect.

    LittleMan wrote "No where in the second amendment does it say gun laws cannot be established. It gives you the right to keep and bear arms thats it."

    I disagree with that thought. The whole of the 2nd Amendment says A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
    The part of "shall not be infringed." is a most positive note to not get overzealous with laws regulating arms. We need laws that come down hard on criminals using a firearm in commission of a crime, and make it so that it cannot be plea barganed out by a prosecuting attorney. The whole of the Second Amendment just reinterates that this is a God given right, which predates the Bill of Rights by thousands of years. It is every human being's right to protect themselves and their families from danger.

    Gun stores that sell you a firearm check your name and Date of Birth DOB against what is already in the FBI database, and they know before you sign the check whether you are qualified to own that firearm or not according to rules set forth about firearm purchases.

    Purchase permits do nothing to keep the firearm out of the hands of those that should not get them. This is one of the silliest and least effective laws we have. I speak from being former law enforcement.



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