Darth AkSarBen
Regular Member
imported post
LittleMan wrote:
Well, you see, the statement about felons owning guns. That is the real challenge. Registration does no good for keeping the felons from getting a pistol. They do not go through normal channels. To say "gun laws that have a good purpose and don't restrict law abiding citizens from owning them." is an oxymoron. It's a sentence that does not make logical sense. IE there are no good gun laws that are restrictive. If you purchase a pistol, you have to fill out the required info, like all other firearms, and that info is fed into the NCIC and NCIS in seconds. Truthfully answering the questions would deem you qualified or disqualified at THAT point. If you obtain a pistol and then sold it to a felon, any registration of that pistol is now useless as you don't have possession anymore, and he is possible to use it for illegal purposes even in another state, with no one knowing he even had it. The crime is committed then, before the state would have any way to trace back what had happened to the pistol in a paper trail.
You see, gun control laws are reactive, and delayed, meaning they don't prevent any crime, they just impair (reads "infringed") the lawful citizen from self protection.
Is this making any sense?
I have a pistol. I obtained it legally and it is registered with Michigan State Police. They have knowledge that this pistol is located in my possession. I sell the pistol to John Dillinger (fictional) who pays me 3 x what I paid for it because he knows he cannot simply go in a buy a pistol. I tell report that someone broke into my house and stole my pistol. It's a cash transaction, and you couldn't prove otherwise in a court of law. Now John Dillinger shoots and kills 2 people and ditches the pistol in a river and it is never recovered.
How did my registration prevent any crime? What happened to my original pistol that was stolen (fictional)? No one knows....
New scenario. same pistol sold to John Dillinger, reported as stolen (fictional). He tries robbing those 2 people again that he had killed in previous paragraph. They had easily obtained a pistol for self protection with no gun law "infringing" upon their right. THEY are now "People who have the right to keep and bare arms". Now one of the 2 people defends themselves against John Dillinger, and he is killed. Violent crime is NOW prevented. John Dillinger is now dead from his illegal actions. Taxpayers don't spend 6 figures keeping him in jail for the rest of his life. But, more importantly, the other "John Dillingers" are now a bit worried about armed robbery. "Perhaps" they think, "we should give crimes of non-confrontal nature a bit more focus. They are now more apt to steal boats and other things that do not involve human intervention, fearing they may loose their life and it's just not worth the risk.
Crime doesn't' stop, but the criminal substitutes to lesser violent crime against property and less against people. The main thing is boats and cars are replaceable. People are not. Police can work at catching a car criminal as patterns they leave behind usually catch up with them, but at no expense of human life.
LittleMan wrote:
Well, you see, the statement about felons owning guns. That is the real challenge. Registration does no good for keeping the felons from getting a pistol. They do not go through normal channels. To say "gun laws that have a good purpose and don't restrict law abiding citizens from owning them." is an oxymoron. It's a sentence that does not make logical sense. IE there are no good gun laws that are restrictive. If you purchase a pistol, you have to fill out the required info, like all other firearms, and that info is fed into the NCIC and NCIS in seconds. Truthfully answering the questions would deem you qualified or disqualified at THAT point. If you obtain a pistol and then sold it to a felon, any registration of that pistol is now useless as you don't have possession anymore, and he is possible to use it for illegal purposes even in another state, with no one knowing he even had it. The crime is committed then, before the state would have any way to trace back what had happened to the pistol in a paper trail.
You see, gun control laws are reactive, and delayed, meaning they don't prevent any crime, they just impair (reads "infringed") the lawful citizen from self protection.
Is this making any sense?
I have a pistol. I obtained it legally and it is registered with Michigan State Police. They have knowledge that this pistol is located in my possession. I sell the pistol to John Dillinger (fictional) who pays me 3 x what I paid for it because he knows he cannot simply go in a buy a pistol. I tell report that someone broke into my house and stole my pistol. It's a cash transaction, and you couldn't prove otherwise in a court of law. Now John Dillinger shoots and kills 2 people and ditches the pistol in a river and it is never recovered.
How did my registration prevent any crime? What happened to my original pistol that was stolen (fictional)? No one knows....
New scenario. same pistol sold to John Dillinger, reported as stolen (fictional). He tries robbing those 2 people again that he had killed in previous paragraph. They had easily obtained a pistol for self protection with no gun law "infringing" upon their right. THEY are now "People who have the right to keep and bare arms". Now one of the 2 people defends themselves against John Dillinger, and he is killed. Violent crime is NOW prevented. John Dillinger is now dead from his illegal actions. Taxpayers don't spend 6 figures keeping him in jail for the rest of his life. But, more importantly, the other "John Dillingers" are now a bit worried about armed robbery. "Perhaps" they think, "we should give crimes of non-confrontal nature a bit more focus. They are now more apt to steal boats and other things that do not involve human intervention, fearing they may loose their life and it's just not worth the risk.
Crime doesn't' stop, but the criminal substitutes to lesser violent crime against property and less against people. The main thing is boats and cars are replaceable. People are not. Police can work at catching a car criminal as patterns they leave behind usually catch up with them, but at no expense of human life.
