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    http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinio...itygunsed.html


    Seattle's Gun Law: OK, make it legal SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER EDITORIAL BOARD
    The mayor of Seattle and the attorney general disagree about the legality of the city's gun ban on public property.
    Attorney General Rob McKenna says state law "does pre-empt a city's authority to adopt firearms laws or regulations of application to the general public, unless specifically authorized by state law."
    However, Regina LaBelle, legal counsel to Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels, told the P-I: "We always have to keep in mind not just state law but also federal laws. But our bottom line is that we want to have common-sense gun laws."
    We absolutely agree -- and think the Legislature should take this "case" up quickly and specifically authorize Seattle's ordinance. We think it gives urban areas a needed tool to reduce gun violence.
    The bottom line for us is that it makes sense for tougher standards to apply for individuals carrying handguns on public property. The notion of a single, statewide pre-emption standard does not make sense any longer (if it ever did). We don't want people carrying weapons into libraries, concerts or other public events. A city -- any city -- ought to be able to enact a ban at such events without state pre-emption -- especially if it's clear that this represents the majority will.
    Seattle is on the right course here; it's the road leading to a more common-sense approach to gun laws. We'd like to see this issue solved without expensive litigation. We're counting on the Legislature to make it so.
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    Fortunately, the 40+ comments so far, with few exceptions are totally against this. A couple of normally anti-gun folks even spoke against it.

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    "A city -- any city -- ought to be able to enact a ban at such events without state pre-emption -- especially if it's clear that this represents the majority will."

    Personally, I don't have a problem putting to a vote and letting the majority decide. Of course, if we are talking about changing state-wide pre-emption, that would mean putting to a state-wide vote. The San-Fran wannabes will be shocked when they still lose. They have put gun-control measures to a vote before and had them resoundingly defeated. What is clear is that the Mayor's lame idea does NOT represent the majority view.

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    "We'd like to see this issue solved without expensive litigation. We're counting on the Legislature to make it so."

    Then just drop it. The AG's opinion made it pretty clear you don't have a standing if the clearly written law isn't clear enough. If you fight you are going to end up with BOTH things you don't want, pre-emption upheld, and a big fat litigation bill. With any luck you will also make a few gun-owners moderately wealthy after pay-outs to settle the test cases they bring.

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    It's a classic case of, "I don't need a gun, why should you?" Just give it a couple more years, soon MLK Way's violence and gang culture will spill over into Seattle proper. Especially since they expanded the bus lines in that area, which we have a direct result such as the "Tuba Man" incident. It will come to a head now that they are cutting police and "youth anti-violence" programs, which again were set up to combat violence in this PROBLEM AREA.

    I'm glad I live in Snohomish County, we don't need "programs" to teach kids not to kill each other and innocent musicians, it comes from good parenting and social morality.

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    bluer1 wrote:
    It's a classic case of, "I don't need a gun, why should you?"
    My favorite response to that is "It is the Bill of "Rights", not the Bill of "Needs"..."

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    911Boss wrote:
    bluer1 wrote:
    It's a classic case of, "I don't need a gun, why should you?"
    My favorite response to that is "It is the Bill of "Rights", not the Bill of "Needs"..."
    Soon to read, "The bill of Nickels"

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    If the Legislature falls for this crap then the State will be right back in the same pot of soup that "preemption" was enacted to cure. Every little "P!$$ Stop Town in the State could pass their own ordinances on where one could carry and where not. Just like before preemption. It might be time to write our "reps" and point this out before Mayor Larda$$ gets too much traction on this.
    "If I shoot all the ammo I am carrying I either won't need anymore or more won't help"

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    amlevin wrote:
    If the Legislature falls for this crap then the State will be right back in the same pot of soup that "preemption" was enacted to cure. Every little "P!$$ Stop Town in the State could pass their own ordinances on where one could carry and where not. Just like before preemption. It might be time to write our "reps" and point this out before Mayor Larda$$ gets too much traction on this.
    A little pre-emption to save pre-emption couldn't hurt.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

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    What part of "shall not be impaired" doesn't this writer understand? Sounds as if he/she is "impaired."

    I thinkthe mayor needs a new attorney, if she thinks there is some federal law that is going to supercede the Washingotn state constitution. Perhaps she is still working her way through the Heller decision. Lots of big words there.

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    Charles Paul Lincoln wrote:
    What part of "shall not be impaired" doesn't this writer understand? Sounds as if he/she is "impaired."

    I thinkthe mayor needs a new attorney, if she thinks there is some federal law that is going to supercede the Washingotn state constitution. Perhaps she is still working her way through the Heller decision. Lots of big words there.

    Charles
    They don't care about the law, I'm guessing.

    I'm guessing they're playing a public image/opinion game where they're trying to sound like they have a reasonable argument while 1) not having to give in on somethingthat would go against their arrogant, elitist attitudes,and 2) buy time tostart influencing the state legislature.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Small protest in front of the PI this weekend? Hand out fliers and let people know that the PI doesn't respect your inalienable rights? Bring some pictures of people who have successfully defended themselves with a firearm, with the words "Mayor Nickels and the PI are conspiring to kill this man -- please help us stop them."

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    Gee, can't you guys on the west side get a leash on Nickels? Make an appointment (or not) and go into his office and tell him to his face he is willfully violating the state constitution. Get the whole thing on video tape and send it to the AG.
    I will be seeing Spokane mayor Verner this week to see exactly where she stands. Maybe I can get her to publicly denounce Nickels. Hey, you never know until you try.

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