Devils Advocate
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Ah. so this is the same story that was reported already.
Ah. so this is the same story that was reported already.
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Armed man shot at Tysons II by police
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hsmith
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swatpro911 wrote:
For one, none of us were there.
Two, this guy wasn't going back to shop. He clearly retrieved his firearm for reasons OTHER than self defense as the accounts state.
If you had a verbal altercation with someone and they went out to their car to retrieve their firearm, what do you think THEIR intentions would be?
swatpro911 wrote:
I have to disagree.Officer who shot the individual does show lack of patience and skill behind his or her duty. Just because someone makes a normal hand movement towards their gun does not mean they are going to shoot you. When you can see the gun clearly visible from distance. If he was reaching inside his shirt or pocket after told to not reach then it becomes different situation. Anyway i though this was stupid from the part of the officers that are involved.
For one, none of us were there.
Two, this guy wasn't going back to shop. He clearly retrieved his firearm for reasons OTHER than self defense as the accounts state.
If you had a verbal altercation with someone and they went out to their car to retrieve their firearm, what do you think THEIR intentions would be?
Devils Advocate
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hsmith wrote:
I know that if I am up against some other citizen with a gun and he is reaching for it I am not going to give him a chance to shoot me first.
hsmith wrote:
I agree with you here. I can draw my gun in a fraction of a second. You will have little time to react and by the time you do I am probably going to be shooting in your direction.swatpro911 wrote:I have to disagree.Officer who shot the individual does show lack of patience and skill behind his or her duty. Just because someone makes a normal hand movement towards their gun does not mean they are going to shoot you. When you can see the gun clearly visible from distance. If he was reaching inside his shirt or pocket after told to not reach then it becomes different situation. Anyway i though this was stupid from the part of the officers that are involved.
For one, none of us were there.
Two, this guy wasn't going back to shop. He clearly retrieved his firearm for reasons OTHER than self defense as the accounts state.
If you had a verbal altercation with someone and they went out to their car to retrieve their firearm, what do you think THEIR intentions would be?
I know that if I am up against some other citizen with a gun and he is reaching for it I am not going to give him a chance to shoot me first.
ProShooter
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Devils Advocate wrote:
Devils Advocate wrote:
No, it sounds from the news reports that he refused their commands AND made a movement towards the gun in his waistband.
TFred
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ProShooter wrote:
TFred
ProShooter wrote:
Yeah, that's kind of what I was thinking as well.... "not obeying" a "don't reach for your gun" command will get you shot every day of the week, and probably twice on a Friday... :?
TFred
swatpro911
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I do profiling and based on my opinion I think someone who could have shot the armed person is kind of trigger happy. He was shot once. According to training cops usually shoot twice. Once is most likely accidental discharge.
I do profiling and based on my opinion I think someone who could have shot the armed person is kind of trigger happy. He was shot once. According to training cops usually shoot twice. Once is most likely accidental discharge.
mkl
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swatpro911 wrote:
You do profiling now too?
swatpro911 wrote:
You do profiling now too?
ODA 226
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swatpro911 wrote:
swatpro911 wrote:
Obviously you've been shot at before and have real-life experience facing armed men.Officer who shot the individual does show lack of patience and skill behind his or her duty. Just because someone makes a normal hand movement towards their gun does not mean they are going to shoot you. When you can see the gun clearly visible from distance. If he was reaching inside his shirt or pocket after told to not reach then it becomes different situation. Anyway i though this was stupid from the part of the officers that are involved.
Devils Advocate
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swatpro911 wrote:
Shooting someone who is armed and refusing to keep his hands away from a gun is not being trigger happy. As I open carry I am not going togive some guy any more opportunity to draw down on me than I have to.
The police are obviously in a different position than the rest of us where you know who they are if in a full uniform. It is common knowledge that if you do not "freeze" you can be shot.
I am not clear how training applies here if the police "usually" shoot twice. I shoot at the range oftenand I do double taps all the time, This does not demand that I shoot twice at a threat. I will shoot until I the threat has ceased to be a threat to me.
Accidental discharge? I doubt it. If it was it was perfect timing since the guy refused to stop moving when told.
I am curious. You know about police procedures and have swat in your name. Are you a member of a SWAT team or do training in SWAT?
swatpro911 wrote:
I am not sure what you mean by "profiling" here.
Shooting someone who is armed and refusing to keep his hands away from a gun is not being trigger happy. As I open carry I am not going togive some guy any more opportunity to draw down on me than I have to.
The police are obviously in a different position than the rest of us where you know who they are if in a full uniform. It is common knowledge that if you do not "freeze" you can be shot.
I am not clear how training applies here if the police "usually" shoot twice. I shoot at the range oftenand I do double taps all the time, This does not demand that I shoot twice at a threat. I will shoot until I the threat has ceased to be a threat to me.
Accidental discharge? I doubt it. If it was it was perfect timing since the guy refused to stop moving when told.
I am curious. You know about police procedures and have swat in your name. Are you a member of a SWAT team or do training in SWAT?
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swatpro911 wrote:
It is apparent you have never been in a "shoot, don't shoot" situation. The officer can't allow the guy to draw his gun. Action is quicker than reaction. Get some real training and maybe it will change your mind. Maybe your name should be "wannabe swatpro911"?:lol:
swatpro911 wrote:
Officer who shot the individual does show lack of patience and skill behind his or her duty. Just because someone makes a normal hand movement towards their gun does not mean they are going to shoot you. When you can see the gun clearly visible from distance. If he was reaching inside his shirt or pocket after told to not reach then it becomes different situation. Anyway i though this was stupid from the part of the officers that are involved.
It is apparent you have never been in a "shoot, don't shoot" situation. The officer can't allow the guy to draw his gun. Action is quicker than reaction. Get some real training and maybe it will change your mind. Maybe your name should be "wannabe swatpro911"?:lol:
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swatpro911 wrote:
Wrong again. Your opinion appears to be based off of ignorance. "Profiling" is a lot different than actually doing police work/military work and being in these situations. Put down the book and pick up a gun "swatpro".
swatpro911 wrote:
Wrong again. Your opinion appears to be based off of ignorance. "Profiling" is a lot different than actually doing police work/military work and being in these situations. Put down the book and pick up a gun "swatpro".
jayarmbar
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hsmith wrote:
hsmith wrote:
is this all malls? Or just Tysons? Thank you.
swatpro911
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On Tuesday, November 18, Dean Martinez, 34, of 25901 Kings Valley Road in Damascus, Maryland, was charged with carrying a concealed weapon, carrying a concealed weapon into an establishment that serves alcohol and brandishing a firearm. Martinez remains hospitalized for treatment of his injuries
On Tuesday, November 18, Dean Martinez, 34, of 25901 Kings Valley Road in Damascus, Maryland, was charged with carrying a concealed weapon, carrying a concealed weapon into an establishment that serves alcohol and brandishing a firearm. Martinez remains hospitalized for treatment of his injuries
swatpro911
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Devils Advocate wrote:
Devils Advocate wrote:
Certain jurisdiction has its own procedure and follow ups. Profiling from my point of view is when you can profile someone based on gesture, movement, capability and mood that the person is in etc to determine his action that he or she may take. A guy with a coffe in his hand with a gun on his hip running towards me, I will not be drawing my weapon but i would put my hand on top of my weapon just incase he acts up. Some other officers would do different things. I am part of elite where we go through drills, stress drills etc. Swat pro 911 means someone who is in trained in special weapons and tactics and he is kinda good at it and only time u see him is when 911 rings.
swatpro911
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FCPD firearms training qualification is to get alteast 75% to pass and maintain. Officers are required to qualify every year. I train 15 hours a month that's enough for me but some other expert said thats not even close to maintain high skill level. Thanks to Chuck who was a navy seal and taught various agencies worldwide.
FCPD firearms training qualification is to get alteast 75% to pass and maintain. Officers are required to qualify every year. I train 15 hours a month that's enough for me but some other expert said thats not even close to maintain high skill level. Thanks to Chuck who was a navy seal and taught various agencies worldwide.
Doug Huffman
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Name game 'chuck' balancing balls on his nose?
Name game 'chuck' balancing balls on his nose?
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Devils Advocate wrote:
Agreed. Very well said.
On the last part there is NO way that guy is a SWAT team member with FFX (or any other jurisdiction in NOVA for that matter). He has NO clue what he is talking about.
Devils Advocate wrote:
Agreed. Very well said.
On the last part there is NO way that guy is a SWAT team member with FFX (or any other jurisdiction in NOVA for that matter). He has NO clue what he is talking about.
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swatpro911 wrote:
:uhoh:
swatpro911 wrote:
FCPD firearms training qualification is to get alteast 75% to pass and maintain. Officers are required to qualify every year. I train 15 hours a month that's enough for me but some other expert said thats not even close to maintain high skill level. Thanks to Chuck who was a navy seal and taught various agencies worldwide.
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