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    Its currently 41% for, 57% against.

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    Yes 55% No 45%

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    58% pro

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    64% pro!

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    66% for now

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    70/30 with 16,300 votes

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    71/29 over 16500 so far

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    72/28 almost 17.5k

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    75% Pro/25% Against, 19786 votes.

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    79% yes, 21% no
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    Still 79% pro 21% against. 24446 responders. Pretty great numbers. Politicians should listen!

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    Still 79% pro 21% against. 24446 responders. Pretty great numbers. Politicians should listen!
    It's the campus administrators that should be listening. Tn State law does not forbid carrying on Campus. It only supports the campii if they want to be "gun free zones".

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    79% pro/21% anti

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    80% - YES
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    Yata hey
    You will not rise to the occasion; you will fall back on your level of training.” Archilochus, 650 BC

    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    Should holders of valid permits to carry concealed weapons be allowed to take their guns on college campuses? * 26717 responses





    Yes; armed students and faculty could respond to a critical situation immediately.
    81%




    No; allowing guns on campuses could confuse authorities in a real crisis.
    19%

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    Ch1pster23 wrote:
    Should holders of valid permits to carry concealed weapons be allowed to take their guns on college campuses? * 26717 responses

    Yes; armed students and faculty could respond to a critical situation immediately.
    81%

    No; allowing guns on campuses could confuse authorities in a real crisis.
    19%
    Welcome to our world Ch1pster23, good to have you aboard.

    The interesting thing about these unscientific polls is the resultant use (if any) of the results.

    Those of the opposite opinion from ours, which unfortunately most often includes the press, would say that the above results prove nothing. It only shows that the proponents of more guns in society are rushing to artificially inflate the numbers in our favor and do not reflect the feelings/beliefs of the overall population.

    Had the numbers been reversed, they would cheer, crow and hold up banners proclaiming the will of the people to disarm the populace.

    If you ask a valid queston, you must be prepared to accept the validity of the answer(s).

    Yata hey
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    Old and treacherous will beat young and skilled every time. Yata hey.

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    If you ask a valid queston, you must be prepared to accept the validity of the answer(s).
    Not by Libby rules! Liberal Rules require that you keep asking the question until you get the desired answer.

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    Should holders of valid permits to carry concealed weapons be allowed to take their guns on college campuses? * 26882 responses





    Yes; armed students and faculty could respond to a critical situation immediately.
    81%




    No; allowing guns on campuses could confuse authorities in a real crisis.
    19%


    While not "scientific", it should help to bring the topic to the front burner, and add at least some "validity" to the argument.

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    81% yes

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    81% YES

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    Just shows what the people want. So it's time for our legislators to give us what we want.

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    Yes; armed students and faculty could respond to a critical situation immediately.
    81% No; allowing guns on campuses could confuse authorities in a real crisis.
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    Why open carry? Because 1911 > 911.

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    I'm a Texas Peace Officer andhave beenworking as a licensed/certified officer for a university police department for just a shade under a decade. Possession of firearms on non-private university campuses in vehicles in parking lots is LAWFUL-- NO CHLpermit required. Possession on campuses with a CHL is LAWFUL in most cases except in buildings. The law as written under the Texas Penal Code is very clear regarding its definitions.

    Contrary to popular belief, colleges/universities are not as they once were. Admission standards/requirements have fallen drastically. Universities are now a “business” not an institute of higher education and the only way to make money if you are not a demand college (or should I say “in demand”) is lowering the standards and recruiting those that the University can make money from. In other words, those that the University know have their way paid (Govt. Loans, special scholarships, special funded, ect.) and will be paying into the business at least two semesters until they fail out of what has now gone from a college/university to a “secondary high school”. Don’t believe me? Ask your local professor to compare the students from 10 years ago to this year’s students. (I’m still waiting for a study linking this problem with the rise of campus violence) Affidavits provided to my department whether they be confessions or witness statements read like a 2nd grade English paper over, “What I did last summer” and “Why I like my dog”. These are those who can not pass an English or a Math class, but will be able to carry a firearm in said English or Math class.

    What does the above have to do with anything, you say? I’ve been searching for a better word or words but I can only come up with the “unproven”. Whether they are unproven in the classroom or on the gun range, the unproven will be carrying guns inside buildings on campuses. Why? Because, absent the convicted and with few other exceptions, anyone can obtain a CHL under the current requirements in Texas. That is to say, the license can be obtained with ease by a novice who has little or no training with a firearm and need not further qualify or even shoot the firearm again until the license expires. To make matters worse, no psychological exam is needed.

    Why does this concern me? Because you can’t find a campus today whose police department does not practice “active shooter training” in and around their campus. As you know, campus shootings are now becoming more frequent and if (or when) this training turns to reality, students brandishing guns while police attempt to locate and end the threat will become even greater targets themselves. In other words, it doesn’t become “finding a needle in a haystack”, it becomes “finding a needle in a stack of needles”. When the shooting starts, college students aren’t required to wear a sign around their neck saying “good guy” while police look for the guy wearing the “bad guy” sign; the common denominator both will have is the gun in their hands. God help the police officer who ends a student’s life who is an “innocent” who fails to comply with an officer’s demands or is even seen firing a weapon at another person, quite possibly an unseeable shooter—Who’s shooting at who, who’s the “bad guy”?

    If the people want “open carry” and the ability to carry on campuses, the people should also push for more stringent qualification requirements for those who carry.

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    That 2nd amendment is such a pain in the a-- sometimes. How many rapes should you take reports on. How many innocent students should die waiting for your highly trained response. How few crazies will shoot up a campus in the first place if they know they will likely be shot dead after their first shot.

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