I told Ya'll "Constitutional Convention" Coming ?

I don't think there is any way that 38 states are going to want to repeal 16A. There are only a small handful that don't have an income tax themselves.Why would they cut their own throat?

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And I lol at the "fair" tax being developed through citizen study groups... as if the average person has any concept of how a tax will actually effect them.

Joe Idiot:  "Well heeeyuk...  that thar fair tax sounds good ta me!!  Aaaa make less so aaaa spend less, them thar rich folk make more so they spend more!  Lower taxes far me!!!!"  :quirky 

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A large fraction of my summer-neighbors, arguably the majority are manipulating their state tax liability via residency requirements.

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There is only one fair tax...the rest is smoke and mirrors.

3 trillion divided by 300 million = ten thousand

That's what it costs to maintain each American. Your 'fair share' is the number of folks in your family or who you are responsible for multiplied by $10,000.00.

All other schemes are designed to make someone else pay an American's tax. For example let's take the corporate tax; not one corporation pays any tax, each tax is passed through to the consumer via pricing.

If your current 'tax liability' is less than $10,00 per head, say a thank you to someone who is paying more on your behalf.

If you are someone who is paying more, thank you.

If you think $10,000 is too much, let your congressman know.

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AWDstylez wrote:

And I lol at the "fair" tax being developed through citizen study groups... as if the average person has any concept of how a tax will actually effect them.

Joe Idiot: "Well heeeyuk... that thar fair tax sounds good ta me!!Aaaa make less so aaaa spend less, them thar rich folk make more so they spend more!Lower taxes far me!!!!" :quirky

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Of course, on the other hand, our oh-so-intelligent elected representatives all possess immense knowledge and understanding of every ramification of tax on society. :quirky

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There is only one fair tax...the rest is smoke and mirrors.

3 trillion divided by 300 million = ten thousand

That's what it costs to maintain each American.

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marshaul wrote:

AWDstylez wrote:

And I lol at the "fair" tax being developed through citizen study groups... as if the average person has any concept of how a tax will actually effect them.

Joe Idiot:  "Well heeeyuk...  that thar fair tax sounds good ta me!!  Aaaa make less so aaaa spend less, them thar rich folk make more so they spend more!  Lower taxes far me!!!!"  :quirky 

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Of course, on the other hand, our oh-so-intelligent elected representatives all possess immense knowledge and understanding of every ramification of tax on society. :quirky

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No, but the ones on the economic/finance committees that the tax laws pass through are usually educated (or have advisors) and have an infinitely better understanding of what they're dealing with than the average idiot on the street.  I guess you haven't been watching all the recent hearings.  These people actually know their @#$%.

Leave the decision making to those educated enough to do so.  Those that don't have a clue what's going on can stick to what they're best at, bitching and whing.

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All other schemes are designed to make someone else pay an American's tax. For example let's take the corporate tax; not one corporation pays any tax, each tax is passed through to the consumer via pricing.

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If your current 'tax liability' is less than $10,000 per head, say a thank you to someone who is paying more on your behalf.

If you are someone who is paying more, thank you.

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I don't care how detailed their understanding, nor care I how ignorant the average Joe. Overtaxation, and the concomitant excessive spending of the Federal government, are doing immense harm to our freedoms, our economy and our national security. That they fail to recognize this demonstrates only that they are blinded by detail.

I hope you are not equating me with "the average idiot on the street".

I'll make it quite simple. As long as the government has enough money to perpetuate wars like the present one in Iraq, those committee members are doing a job they have no business doing. I don't give a damn how capable they are at that job.

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No, but the ones on the economic/finance committees thatthe tax laws pass throughare usually educated (or have advisors)and have an infinitely better understanding of what they're dealing with than the average idiot on the street. I guess you haven't been watching all the recent hearings. These people actually know their @#$%.

Leave the decision making to those educated enough to do so. Those that don't have a clue what's going oncan stick to whatthey're best at, bitching and whing.

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How respectful you are to your philospher-kings. Wonder if it comforts your smart-alec mind that those philosopher-kings regard you as one of those "idiots on the street". Or perhaps you are just too cool to imagine such a thought.

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I don't care how detailed their understanding, nor care I how ignorant the average Joe. Overtaxation, and the concomitant excessive spending of the Federal government, are doing immense harm to our freedoms, our economy and our national security. That they fail to recognize this demonstrates only that they are blinded by detail.

I hope you are not equating me with "the average idiot on the street".

I'll make it quite simple. As long as the government has enough money to perpetuate wars like the present one in Iraq, those committee members are doing a job they have no business doing. I don't give a damn how capable they are at that job.

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You've raised a strawman.  The issue was regarding competence levels of the people making the decisions and the criticisms, not what state the system is in or whether the current taxes are fair or not.

Educated, informed person > idiot off the street.  That is all.

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Reminds me of many people here that think they know law better than Supreme Court justices.  There's a reason why they're making decisions that effect the nation and you're just complaining about it on the internet.  Think about that before you speak against them.  The same goes for anyone that is clearly more informed and knowledgable than yourself, whether you agree with them or not.

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Reminds me of many people here that think they know law better than Supreme Court justices. There's a reason why they're making decisions that effect the nation and you're just complaining about it on the internet. Think about that before you speak against them. The same goes for anyone that is clearly more informed and knowledgable than yourself, whether you agree with them or not.

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For a self-professed strict constructionist, Scalia has an impossibly authoritarian bent. I cannot trust the understanding of such a self-contradictory person. As such, I find it hard to trust his judgement regarding the law.

And I just picked my current "favorite". Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

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When did I say I don't understand basic Constitutional law? On the other hand, Scalia, several of the other Supreme Court Justices, and the majority of our elected "representatives" for that matter, seem to have a major deficiency in this arena.

You seem to be more concerned with "education" than with actual results.

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Saying you understand basic law and then telling people with law degrees and a lifetime of experience that they're wrong... based on your "basic" understanding... makes you the fool. It certainly doesn't make them wrong.

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