protector84
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I've mentioned before on here that I prefer to carry openly and carry everywhere but unfortunately that is not the reality in our land of the scared. I've also mentioned before that I really don't like leaving a firearm unattended due to the risk of it being stolen and/or used against someone else. I also have several holsters for different purposes. If I'm in a "green" establishment meaning firearms are legal and nobody will have a problem with it, I'll carry in my belt holster with the gun visible. If I'm in a "yellow" area where it isn't illegal but would cause a problem (i.e. churches, offices, etc.), I'll use the same holster but put my shirt over it. It may print a bit but nobody will really notice. Unfortunately, some of us either choose or have to go to "red" establishments where carrying is illegal (bars, schools, state buildings, etc.). Due to the concern listed above, I was in the habit of carrying anyway in such establishments but in a IWB holster with a loose shirt over it and now a jacket over that making it "impossible" for someone to know I was carrying.
Anyway, to get to the point I basically got busted carrying into an establishment that prohibits weapons. Not that I should admit to lawbreaking on the internet but I don't think it is worth the cops' time anyway. I was in a bar having a good time when some drunk girl was flirting with me and ended up rubbing her hand against the back of my jacket which caused it to lift up and expose the gun. So the woman manager on duty comes over and confronts me about it with several bouncers in the background. She was not too happy about it but didn't seem too unreasonable either. She told me to leave the gun in the car which I did. She told me that I seem like a reasonable person to her who is simply concerned about my safety and the safety of others but that carrying a gun intosuch an environment is more likely to get me in trouble than help a situation. She explained that the liquor laws do not allow firearms where alcohol is served and that if something were to happen and I used the gun the media and the justice system would spin it. She is probably right because suppose some drunk started beating someone to death with a bar stool and I shot them and killed them. Even though state law would make it a legal shoot as a justifiable third-party defensive homicide, the fact that you were drinking alcohol and carrying a gun in a bar probably wouldn't look good to the jury let alone the judge. She said don't think for an instance that you can trust these judges.
Not to go on and on but I went to a tactical shop and bought a car safe that I can lock the gun in and then lock to a safe place in the car. That way I don't have toworry about theft and it is legal at the same time. It just goes to show you though that even really good concealment can be discovered. In some ways it almost seems like carrying a gun is more trouble than it is worth. Obviously it improves safety but the laws make carrying such a nuissance. So many places prohibit weapons and I have yet to enter a state building where there is actually someone there to secure your weapon for you. Personally, I don't really think it is a good idea to be drinking while carrying because if you dohave to use it your reaction time is slower and your judgment is skewed. That problem would be solved, however, if bars actually had armed guards on the premisis who actually did their jobs and allowed you to check your guns in for secure storage. As our society continues to adopt more of this foolish "bleeding heart" nonsense I guess we will have to either get smart or get slick because when it comes to the few who wish to be sovereign individuals in charge of their own safety and well-being in a society filled with helpless robotic consumers, the odds are not in your favor. Any thoughts?
I've mentioned before on here that I prefer to carry openly and carry everywhere but unfortunately that is not the reality in our land of the scared. I've also mentioned before that I really don't like leaving a firearm unattended due to the risk of it being stolen and/or used against someone else. I also have several holsters for different purposes. If I'm in a "green" establishment meaning firearms are legal and nobody will have a problem with it, I'll carry in my belt holster with the gun visible. If I'm in a "yellow" area where it isn't illegal but would cause a problem (i.e. churches, offices, etc.), I'll use the same holster but put my shirt over it. It may print a bit but nobody will really notice. Unfortunately, some of us either choose or have to go to "red" establishments where carrying is illegal (bars, schools, state buildings, etc.). Due to the concern listed above, I was in the habit of carrying anyway in such establishments but in a IWB holster with a loose shirt over it and now a jacket over that making it "impossible" for someone to know I was carrying.
Anyway, to get to the point I basically got busted carrying into an establishment that prohibits weapons. Not that I should admit to lawbreaking on the internet but I don't think it is worth the cops' time anyway. I was in a bar having a good time when some drunk girl was flirting with me and ended up rubbing her hand against the back of my jacket which caused it to lift up and expose the gun. So the woman manager on duty comes over and confronts me about it with several bouncers in the background. She was not too happy about it but didn't seem too unreasonable either. She told me to leave the gun in the car which I did. She told me that I seem like a reasonable person to her who is simply concerned about my safety and the safety of others but that carrying a gun intosuch an environment is more likely to get me in trouble than help a situation. She explained that the liquor laws do not allow firearms where alcohol is served and that if something were to happen and I used the gun the media and the justice system would spin it. She is probably right because suppose some drunk started beating someone to death with a bar stool and I shot them and killed them. Even though state law would make it a legal shoot as a justifiable third-party defensive homicide, the fact that you were drinking alcohol and carrying a gun in a bar probably wouldn't look good to the jury let alone the judge. She said don't think for an instance that you can trust these judges.
Not to go on and on but I went to a tactical shop and bought a car safe that I can lock the gun in and then lock to a safe place in the car. That way I don't have toworry about theft and it is legal at the same time. It just goes to show you though that even really good concealment can be discovered. In some ways it almost seems like carrying a gun is more trouble than it is worth. Obviously it improves safety but the laws make carrying such a nuissance. So many places prohibit weapons and I have yet to enter a state building where there is actually someone there to secure your weapon for you. Personally, I don't really think it is a good idea to be drinking while carrying because if you dohave to use it your reaction time is slower and your judgment is skewed. That problem would be solved, however, if bars actually had armed guards on the premisis who actually did their jobs and allowed you to check your guns in for secure storage. As our society continues to adopt more of this foolish "bleeding heart" nonsense I guess we will have to either get smart or get slick because when it comes to the few who wish to be sovereign individuals in charge of their own safety and well-being in a society filled with helpless robotic consumers, the odds are not in your favor. Any thoughts?
