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    I got this in a newsletter from Suarez International, Thought I would pass it along


    HOW LONG DO WE HAVE??





    I was in this biz back when Americans turned stupid once before (1992). Remember those days? Ross Perot - the little handgrenade with a bad haircut gave us Bill Clinton by default when Bush I did in fact give us "new taxes" in spite of us trying to read his lips.

    The backstory during Clinton's first half-termwas that the Stockton school shooting and a few other similar events gaveCalifornia (always a haven for left wing ideology and extremism) a perceived reason to pass their anti-freedom anti-gun law a few years earlier (1989?). Then in 1991 we had the infamous Rodney King deal and the subsequent Race Riots in Los Angeles.

    All the usual suspects got involved (Shumer, Kennedy, Boxer, Fiendstein, and all the other let wing socialists in power) and set up the now expired AWB which was finally signed in 1994.

    But initially Clinton had plenty of other issues to deal with before getting to that one. He did get to it - eventually - and before the 1994 mid term elections. But if you recall the fall out from that decission caused them to lose the majority in congress.

    Do we have a similar set of events today?
    How will this affect us?
    And how long do we have?

    Some points of consideration -

    1). The1990s saw an incredible amount of growth in private sector training and gun businesses, while we saw a shift to the left in politics. These companies were around before, but the prevalence of the Clintons made them grow to an incredible level. It was during this time that Gunsite flourished, and that both Thunder Ranch and Front Sight were created - as well, I think - Blackwater and other training companies. We also saw a distinct shift from sports guns to fighting guns. Winchester model 70s languished in stores while AR-15s flew off the racks.

    I think we will see the same things now. Obama (excuse me while I spit) has single handedly armed more people in the past week than any other president in history. These people have bought fighting weapons and the ammo that goes with them. Later they will want to learn how to use them. So "Thanks Barak!"

    2). Ammo will go up. That is inevitable. It always has. But just like gasoline...it will only sustain at that level while people are fearful and scarcity-driven enough to pay those prices. As everyone's armory gets filled, the purchases will drop off and sellers will be forced to lower prices to get new sales. How far they lower those prices remains to be seen. A look at gasoline will show a similar trend.

    The fear that Obama (excuse me while I spit) will ban ammo is ridiculous and will not happen. Think of the myriad of American companies that will be out of business. People like Winchester, Remington, etc. have political pull, and will keep their doors open. And still....when has ammo ever been banned in the USA. If they can't keep drugs or machineguns out of the hands of illegal alien gangs, how do you think they will eliminate ammo? We need to move on. What may happen is a curtailing of importation of ammo. American ammo makers will need to produce more "training level" ammo to fit the gap. Those that do will reap huge rewards.

    3). I do see another AWB in the distance. But not only that. That theywill try to do this is a given. I see themtrying to target training schools as well. This is what he and his minions want. Not particularly to "keep their little urban hoodlums" safe, or to keep anything out of the hands of criminals, but simply to control the american people more and modify this once great society further down the leftist path.There wasn't much civilian gun ownership nor civilian skil-at-arms schools in Stalin's Russia nor Hitler's Germany either.

    Now -before we get all weapy eyed again.

    The world is full of problems that Obama (excuse me while I spit) must deal with. And I thank God for every single one of them!

    The Russians are flexing their muscles in Eastern Europe again.

    The Israelis will need to make a quick decission about Iran before Obama (excuse me while I spit) is inagurated. And he will have to deal with the fallout from that.

    Iraq and Afghanistan still remain as issues to deal with, and he will realize that his promise to pull out will not only be a slap in the face to those who have died there (a good many of them friends of mine) but it will also create a devastating power vacuum in the region that will inevitably be filled with Iranians.

    And let us not forget the economy and all the empty promises made with references to "spreading the wealth". Democrat economic policies always lead to ruin. The only thing that lifts an economy is a conservative-based policy and lowered taxes. So his results will invariably be poor, and he will not be able to confiscate american's wealth without a serious political fight on his hands.

    Assault Weapons are on his list, but not as number one. I don't think they are even on the first page. But they are on his list. My best-guess prediction?

    We won't see this until about 2010, more or less. By 2010 he will had two years to really screw upAmerica, disenchant those who wanted "change",and things will likely be a big mess. Hopefully the imbeciles who voted for him will have come to their senses, and the imbecile Republican party will have come to its senses, and the Senate and House will change the balance of power as it did in 1994. And then there is 2012. We will see.

    My suggestions...I have been inundated with emails about which AK to get and what magazines to get and so on.

    Gents...the word of the day is this. IF YOU SNOOZE - YOU LOSE. You can't get AK kits anymore. Those who waited? Too bad dudes...there are no more. Those who didn't get an AK at reasonable prices? Again...too bad dudes...now you will pay almost twice as much. But waiting, at this point,is simply stupid.

    If you want a rifle...GET ONE NOW! Any rifle will do. Yes, I like AKs, but if my choice was a Mini-14 or nothing, I'd say grab up the Mini! If your wife or your mom won't let you, grow some hair on your chestand get one anyway. Buy some flowers on the way home to make up for it. Same goes for ammo. If you don't do it now, and you can't get one due to what we have just discussed coming to pass, or simply due to supply-demand issues, don't call me and ask where you can get a good deal.

    Ammo? Looking at four years of Obama (excuse me while I spit) in office, I would suggest the following as minimum. 5000 rounds of each fighting caliber as minimum. Get 1000 rounds of good quality fighting ammo and 4000 roundsof training ammo. Use up500 -1000 per year to train (or less), and replace it as used - if possible.

    Training? I understand that people are buying more rifles and ammo now, thinking they can train later. Maybe so. But here are a few points.

    If you like WT and the DVDs and all the free stuff we share here, send some money to SI/OST. Support those who support you. We will see about offering as much stuff as possible, at as reasonable as possible pricesnext year. But understand that this activity is on their hit list. Do it while you can. Don't put it off thinking you can do it later.

    I have been in this business since the early 1990s and if the country does not bounce back by 2010, I can almost guarantee that training will be gone as well.
    So there it is.

    The time to check the life boat is not when you wake up on the bottom of the sea - it is when the rain begins to fall - and it has been coming down pretty good from where I stand.
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    Enough of this crap.



    The author owns a company that sells AK accessories... who woulda thunk it? :quirky I heard Obama is going to ban air. I have a bunch I can sell you cheap. Hurry and buy before the price goes up. Here's all my contact info and my website were you can purchase reasonably priced air.

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    I did not look at it as trying to sell someone something, just a good general overview of something to come.

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    agentw0 wrote:
    I did not look at it as trying to sell someone something, just a good general overview of something to come.


    Yea I figured and I know it's well intentioned, but, honestly, how many threads and random gun shop owners' opinions do we need on this doomsday AWB? We know it's the end of the world.We know ammo and firearmsprices are going up 999999999999% in the next week. And we know we need to take a 10th mortgage out onour alreadyhorribly flipped houses in order to buy ever gun we can get our handson.So come on, enough of the Obama crap. We've been listening to it for a year now. The guy isn't even in office and already everyone is ranting and raving about all the horrible things he's going to do, when he hasn't even set foot in the door yet let alone drafted any policy. Give it a rest for now and if everyone wants to start the whining again in January I'll understand. Let's just stop and take a breather from this anti-Obama @#$%. There's nothing new to be heard.

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    I would be shocked if anything "big" happens before 2010 - Democrats are concerned over holding their positions. Midterms will have extremely light turnout, they don't want anything big that will rock the boat.

    If they hold their own in 2011, watch out.

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    Not too worried myself at the moment, but Obama's election will probably accelerate my planes to get a rifle of some sort. I have my heart set on an M1A, but I simply can't afford it at the moment.

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    holeinhead wrote:
    Not too worried myself at the moment, but Obama's election will probably accelerate my planes to get a rifle of some sort. I have my heart set on an M1A, but I simply can't afford it at the moment.
    Have you tried getting a loan?



    Sorry, I had to.:P

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    Haha, there's an idea!

    Actually I technically could buy one with the money I have, but I'm gonna be needing that money for a family trip to Japan. And I want to get one of those new Mustangs... Man those 2010's look sweet! Think I'm getting too OT here...

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    Excuse me while I spit.

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    One thing that has happened in the past several weeks. A whole lot of former non-gunowners now own firearms. Some of these people were fence sitters and the election results pushed them over the edge. Some are afraid of a general societal breakdown and under ordinary circumstances would not buy a gun, but fear has driven them to do so (remember '92 and the Los Angeles riots?). And some are believe the laws will soon change and they want to get what they can while they can.

    What has happened is that all of these above people have or will become gun owning supporters of gun-friendly representatives and laws. They vote and they make contributions and they make their voices heard. Hopefully, they will swell the ranks of organizations such as the NRA, GOA, and the VCDL. But any way you cut it, they will be a political force and people who will have to be considered by politicians. Many, if not most, of them will move into our ranks and become stronger Second Amendment supporters.

    ObamaBinBiden has opened a can of worms that has resulted in Unintended Consequences (thank you John Ross). Hopefully this buying surge will continue unabated up to and after the inauguration. If so, you have to think a strong message is being sent to those who would love to see our rights surpressed.

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    SouthernBoy wrote:
    One thing that has happened in the past several weeks. A whole lot of former non-gunowners now own firearms. Some of these people were fence sitters and the election results pushed them over the edge.

    Can anyone find statistics to prove that? It'd be great if it was true, but I'd be more inclined to believe that it's present gun owners stocking up.

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    AWDstylez wrote:
    SouthernBoy wrote:
    One thing that has happened in the past several weeks. A whole lot of former non-gunowners now own firearms. Some of these people were fence sitters and the election results pushed them over the edge.

    Can anyone find statistics to prove that? It'd be great if it was true, but I'd be more inclined to believe that it's present gun owners stocking up.
    Both are happening. I say that as someone who has spent 15 of the 19 days since the election being very busy selling guns to those folks. Most neophytes to the world of firearms ownership, are very inclined to profess their status. They are easy to spot and out in numbers. As is anyone 'stocking up', my requests for bulk ammo and magazines has certainly increased. This weekends Nations Gun Show was our highest for gun sales, fewer newbies there than in the shop but still lots.

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    AWDstylez wrote:
    SouthernBoy wrote:
    One thing that has happened in the past several weeks. A whole lot of former non-gunowners now own firearms. Some of these people were fence sitters and the election results pushed them over the edge.

    Can anyone find statistics to prove that? It'd be great if it was true, but I'd be more inclined to believe that it's present gun owners stocking up.
    No statistics but I agree 100%. Why? I work at a gun store and have been saying this very thing that SB said. At least half the people that rushed the gun stores in the week after the election were not 'gun people'. If I had to put a number on it I'd say 70% of the AR's sold were sold to people that wouldn't know the difference between an AR and an AK. 'Gun people' bought up all the lowers, non gun people bought the AR's-AK's and handguns.
    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." - Thomas Jefferson

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    VAopencarry wrote:
    AWDstylez wrote:
    SouthernBoy wrote:
    One thing that has happened in the past several weeks. A whole lot of former non-gunowners now own firearms. Some of these people were fence sitters and the election results pushed them over the edge.
    *

    Can anyone find statistics to prove that?* It'd be great if it was true, but I'd be more inclined to believe that it's present gun owners stocking up.
    No statistics but I agree 100%. Why? I work at a gun store and have been saying this very thing that SB said.* At least half the people that rushed the gun stores in the week after the election were not 'gun people'.* If I had to put a number on it I'd say 70% of the AR's sold were sold to people that wouldn't know the difference between an AR and an AK. 'Gun people' bought up all the lowers, non gun people bought the AR's-AK's and handguns.
    Thanks, this confirms my suspicions.

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    Large parts of what the OP said just confirm what I have believed ever since I got over the shock of seeing my native Indiana fall to the Obamanistas. Reality is going to bite Obama right in the ass. In fact, the first mouthful has already been chewed.

    Keep your gas tnk full and your "bug-out bag" packed and handy. But remember we don't have a fire yet, just a careless smoker who (I hope) will burn himself before he burns down the house.

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    marshaul wrote:
    VAopencarry wrote:
    AWDstylez wrote:
    SouthernBoy wrote:
    One thing that has happened in the past several weeks. A whole lot of former non-gunowners now own firearms. Some of these people were fence sitters and the election results pushed them over the edge.

    Can anyone find statistics to prove that? It'd be great if it was true, but I'd be more inclined to believe that it's present gun owners stocking up.
    No statistics but I agree 100%. Why? I work at a gun store and have been saying this very thing that SB said. At least half the people that rushed the gun stores in the week after the election were not 'gun people'. If I had to put a number on it I'd say 70% of the AR's sold were sold to people that wouldn't know the difference between an AR and an AK. 'Gun people' bought up all the lowers, non gun people bought the AR's-AK's and handguns.
    Thanks, this confirms my suspicions.


    For a second there I thought you finally lost it and were talking to yourself. :P



    That's good to hear though. More is merrier.

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    Alexcabbie wrote:
    Keep your gas tnk full and your "bug-out bag" packed and handy. But remember we don't have a fire yet, just a careless smoker who (I hope) will burn himself before he burns down the house.
    Great way to put it.

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