Results 1 to 9 of 9

Thread: Ammunition Accountability Act

  1. #1
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Saratoga Springs, Utah, USA
    Posts
    1,221

    Post imported post

    Found this browsing OCDO...

    http://ammunitionaccountability.org/Legislation.htm

    Section 3. Prohibition on possession or sale of non-coded ammunition. 1. All handgun and assault weapon ammunition manufactured or sold in the state after January 1, 2009, shall be coded by the manufacturer. 2. No later than January 1, 2011, all non-coded ammunition for the calibers listed in this chapter, whether owned by private citizens or retail outlets, must be disposed. 3. Any person who willfully destroys, obliterates, or otherwise renders unreadable, the serialization required pursuant to this bill, on any bullet or assembled ammunition is punishable by imprisonment not to exceed one year, and a fine of $1,000.
    Is Utah in line for this?


  2. #2
    Regular Member LovesHisXD45's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    , Utah, USA
    Posts
    580

    Post imported post

    I wonder why no replies to this question. Personally, if this does come to utah, or if somebody hints this before Obama takes office, I think that the gun show in January will be bought out of ammo. Last I heard, this process would not be cost-effective for manufacturers. The price of ammo would probably go up considerably if they mandated that. Guess I had better stock up on my zombie supplies before the shee hits the fan.

    Kevin
    If it isn't broke, then don't fix it, or you'll fix it until it's broke.

  3. #3
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
    Posts
    800

    Post imported post

    I don't really see this happening in the Utah Legislature, but I wouldn't be surprised if they tried pushing for it on a national level.

  4. #4
    Centurion
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Pleasant Grove, Utah, USA
    Posts
    3,828

    Post imported post

    I would HOPE that our esteemed state legislature would see the error and folly of such a scheme. That being said, it would behoove all to watch the legislature like a hawk, just to keep them honest...and to let them know where we as VOTERS stand on such an issue!

    JoeSparky
    RIGHTS don't exist without RESPONSIBILITY!
    If one is not willing to stand for his rights, he doesn't have any Rights.
    I will strive to stand for the rights of ANY person, even those folks with whom I disagree!
    As said by SVG--- "I am not anti-COP, I am PRO-Citizen" and I'll add, PRO-Constitution.
    If the above makes me a RADICAL or EXTREME--- So be it!

    Life Member NRA
    Life Member GOA
    2nd amendment says.... "...The right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!"

  5. #5
    Campaign Veteran
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Bountiful, Utah, USA
    Posts
    119

    Post imported post

    Let see. I use about 2000 rounds a year. Extrapolate that to the number of citizens like me. You are talking a huge annual volume of ammunition fired. Then try and find a serial code system that tracks in the trillions. Fit that on the back of a bullet. Nice try, but it is a sales guimick to an ignorant legislature. Not gonna happen. Especially not in Utah.

  6. #6
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Saratoga Springs, Utah, USA
    Posts
    1,221

    Post imported post

    Bflamante wrote:
    Let see. I use about 2000 rounds a year...
    We need to get you out shootin' more brutha! :celebrate

  7. #7
    Centurion
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Pleasant Grove, Utah, USA
    Posts
    3,828

    Post imported post

    Bflamante wrote:
    Let see. I use about 2000 rounds a year. Extrapolate that to the number of citizens like me. You are talking a huge annual volume of ammunition fired. Then try and find a serial code system that tracks in the trillions. Fit that on the back of a bullet. Nice try, but it is a sales guimick to an ignorant legislature. Not gonna happen. Especially not in Utah.
    If the numbering scheme used all alpha + numeric then there would be a significant increase of the individual "serial numbers" with 36 characters available for each digit over a simple numbering scheme....

    But, I agree, it is STILL unmanageable. Espcially if one assumes that some ammo is to be stockpiled by the end user.

    JoeSparky
    RIGHTS don't exist without RESPONSIBILITY!
    If one is not willing to stand for his rights, he doesn't have any Rights.
    I will strive to stand for the rights of ANY person, even those folks with whom I disagree!
    As said by SVG--- "I am not anti-COP, I am PRO-Citizen" and I'll add, PRO-Constitution.
    If the above makes me a RADICAL or EXTREME--- So be it!

    Life Member NRA
    Life Member GOA
    2nd amendment says.... "...The right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!"

  8. #8
    Regular Member
    Join Date
    Oct 2008
    Location
    Sandy, Utah, USA
    Posts
    30

    Post imported post

    The common problem with using all 26 letters and 10 digits is the confusion between them. What's the diff between a 0 (digit) and an O (letter) for example? Add to that the difficulty in reading a partial or damaged stamp. Was it an S or a partial 8? The probability of false ID's is extremely high under this scenario. It's almost as bad as the micro-stamping fiasco. And just because the ammo was "registered" to you doesn't mean you were the one to fire it. Several family members shoot guns with the same caliber as me and we often share ammo at the range. What's to stop a stranger from dipping into my ammo bag when I'm not looking and shooting somebody with it? Sure it was my bullet, but not my gun and it wasn't me that fired it.

    Someone mentioned this earlier, but if you follow the money you'll find there aren't many companies that can do this. Two, if I recall correctly. They both have patents on different methods of accomplishing the same thing. This is a complete perversion of capitalism. The inventor has got to say to himself, I have this idea to put a serial number on bullets, but it adds no value, has significant cost associated with it, is unreliable, and in the end serves no purpose. There's no way I can convince anyone to ever use this system. I know! I'll lobby the Legislature and make them *force* people to buy my invention.

    I mean, nobody asked for this. Nobody who uses ammo, wants it.

    It's just wrong, wrong, wrong.

  9. #9
    Centurion
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Location
    Pleasant Grove, Utah, USA
    Posts
    3,828

    Post imported post

    Matai wrote:
    The common problem with using all 26 letters and 10 digits is the confusion between them. What's the diff between a 0 (digit) and an O (letter) for example? Add to that the difficulty in reading a partial or damaged stamp. Was it an S or a partial 8? The probability of false ID's is extremely high under this scenario. It's almost as bad as the micro-stamping fiasco. And just because the ammo was "registered" to you doesn't mean you were the one to fire it. Several family members shoot guns with the same caliber as me and we often share ammo at the range. What's to stop a stranger from dipping into my ammo bag when I'm not looking and shooting somebody with it? Sure it was my bullet, but not my gun and it wasn't me that fired it.

    Someone mentioned this earlier, but if you follow the money you'll find there aren't many companies that can do this. Two, if I recall correctly. They both have patents on different methods of accomplishing the same thing. This is a complete perversion of capitalism. The inventor has got to say to himself, I have this idea to put a serial number on bullets, but it adds no value, has significant cost associated with it, is unreliable, and in the end serves no purpose. There's no way I can convince anyone to ever use this system. I know! I'll lobby the Legislature and make them *force* people to buy my invention.

    I mean, nobody asked for this. Nobody who uses ammo, wants it.

    It's just wrong, wrong, wrong.
    And I agree with yourassessment!

    This scheme is in the range of not only are we NOT able to do it, We shouldn't do it either.

    JoeSparky


    RIGHTS don't exist without RESPONSIBILITY!
    If one is not willing to stand for his rights, he doesn't have any Rights.
    I will strive to stand for the rights of ANY person, even those folks with whom I disagree!
    As said by SVG--- "I am not anti-COP, I am PRO-Citizen" and I'll add, PRO-Constitution.
    If the above makes me a RADICAL or EXTREME--- So be it!

    Life Member NRA
    Life Member GOA
    2nd amendment says.... "...The right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED!"

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •