Hollowpoints

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Ok, so I've yet to see such a regulation, but I've heard that hollowpoints are not allowed in VA for CC. I have a coworker that was arested in Jersey for having high cap mags and hollowpoints, but I didn't think it was so in VA. Just rumor?

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I've never heard of such.

I know lots of people who carry with hollow-points.

You can search the VA Code if you like. Just realize if there is no law against it, you could be searching for a while.

http://leg1.state.va.us/lis.htm

PS: add this site to your browser favorites. Gosh, is it ever useful. I lost count long ago of how many times I've used it to look up VA statutes.

Edited to Add: Last I heard, hollow-points were still illegal in NJ, though.

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I personally think its dangerous to NOT carry hollow point (defensive) rounds.

My biggest fear is over penetration. Secondly, is running out of ammo in a bad (defensive) situation.

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Hollowpoints are illegal in NJ, not in Va. They are fine here for CC/OC

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Perfectly legal. In fact, if you ask me, it's irresponsible to not carry JHPs in a personal defense firearm. Not only do you cut down on overpenetration, you also have a better chance of stopping whatever threat may be presenting itself with JHPs.

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cmbf117 wrote:

Perfectly legal. In fact, if you ask me, it's irresponsible to not carry JHPs in a personal defense firearm. Not only do you cut down on overpenetration, you also have a better chance of stopping whatever threat may be presenting itself with JHPs.

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Kinda makes you wonder what New Jersey is thinking... and of course, that question does make a rather bold assumption...

TFred

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TFred wrote:

cmbf117 wrote:

Perfectly legal. In fact, if you ask me, it's irresponsible to not carry JHPs in a personal defense firearm. Not only do you cut down on overpenetration, you also have a better chance of stopping whatever threat may be presenting itself with JHPs.

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Kinda makes you wonder what New Jersey is thinking... and of course, that question does make a rather bold assumption...

TFred

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Oh, I think we all know what NJ was thinking :^).

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I think NJ does this so that the police will have to drill a perp with 30 to 40 extra holes thereby forcing a lawsuit against the police for unecessary use of deadly force. Gives the "victims" a chance to make some extra cash.

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Speaking of hollowpoints,specifically in .38 ammo,+p's are readily available at reasonable prices just abouteverywhere, but if you want standard pressure hollowpoints for low recoil, they want your first born child. The over-penetration factor is a real concern with conventional ball ammo.

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ProShooter wrote:

Hollowpoints are illegal in NJ, not in Va. They are fine here for CC/OC

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Well they are technically not illegal in NJ. In NJ, you can have Hollowpoints in your gun if you are at home. You can also shoot hollowpoints at the shooting range. You just can't have hollowpoints in your pistol if you are not on your property or in the shooting range. Silly huh? So you can transport the hollowpoint bullets to/from the range. :banghead:

http://www.state.nj.us/njsp/about/fire_hollow.html

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Perfectly legal here.

I prefer hardball because it gives better penetration and better feeding...BUT, as already pointed out, shooting the old lady behind the Bad Guy, is not considered good manners.

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I know overpenetration is a concern, but it doesn't matter what you're using if you miss your target.

Practice!

btw I carry Gold Dots in all calibers because overpenetration aside, they're still more effective at stopping a bad guy.

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Southern boy. Unless I misunderstand your post, the N.J. law enforcement officers are permitted to carry hollowpoints.

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nova wrote:

I know overpenetration is a concern, but it doesn't matter what you're using if you miss your target.

Practice!

btw I carry Gold Dots in all calibers because overpenetration aside, they're still more effective at stopping a bad guy.

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+1 on practice

Over penetration isn't one of my big worries. When I go in crowded areas, I take my Taser or the 45lc/410 derringer loaded with buckshot...or both.

Neither is any good past 10 feet but it's hard to explain self defense beyond that distance anyway.

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Perhaps this would be better asked to the fairly neglected New Jersey portion of the forum, but are rounds such as PowRBall and Glaser Safety Slugs permitted for carrying in New Jersey (provided you have the means to carry)? Neither of these are typical hollow point rounds and the one actually has shot instead of a typical lead bullet behind the polymer ball, so where do they fall?

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jmelvin wrote:

Perhaps this would be better asked to the fairly neglected New Jersey portion of the forum, but are rounds such as PowRBall and Glaser Safety Slugs permitted for carrying in New Jersey (provided you have the means to carry)? Neither of these are typical hollow point rounds and the one actually has shot instead of a typical lead bullet behind the polymer ball, so where do they fall?

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I used tocarry Hydra Shocks and after research, I have switched to the hard to find HST's.

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c45man wrote:

Southern boy. Unless I misunderstand your post, the N.J. law enforcement officers are permitted to carry hollowpoints.

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I was just being a little sarcastic.. some tonque-in-cheek humor. That's all.

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Here is the part of the Code of Virginia related to Restricted Ammunition:

§ 18.2-308.3. Use or attempted use of restricted ammunition in commission or attempted commission of crimes prohibited; penalty.

A. When used in this section:

"Restricted firearm ammunition" applies to bullets, projectiles or other types of ammunition that are: (i) coated with or contain, in whole or in part, polytetrafluorethylene or a similar product, (ii) commonly known as "KTW" bullets or "French Arcanes," or (iii) any cartridges containing bullets coated with a plastic substance with other than lead or lead alloy cores, jacketed bullets with other than lead or lead alloy cores, or cartridges of which the bullet itself is wholly comprised of a metal or metal alloy other than lead. This definition shall not be construed to include shotgun shells or solid plastic bullets.

B. It shall be unlawful for any person to knowingly use or attempt to use restricted firearm ammunition while committing or attempting to commit a crime. Violation of this section shall constitute a separate and distinct felony and any person found guilty thereof shall be guilty of a Class 5 felony.

(1983, c. 602; 1988, c. 530.)

Link: http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-308.3

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Not sure if any of you have seen or heard about the DRT ammo. they use a "powder" core. Its a frangible round, so no bullet to recover from the animal you shoot.



"..any cartridges containing bullets coated with a plastic substance with other than lead or lead alloy cores, jacketed bullets with other than lead or lead alloy cores, or cartridges of which the bullet itself is wholly comprised of a metal or metal alloy other than lead."



So would it be fair to say this type of round is illegal in Virginia?

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As Thundar posted above in § 18.2-308.3, as far as I have found in researching the issue,in Virginia there is no illegal ammunition. There are onlycertain types as listed in § 18.2-308.3. that are restricted, but only when used illegally. As far as I know teflon coatedor armour piercing is completely legal unless you are comiting a crime while using it, then it becomes illegal.