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Another OC event
- Thread starter Louisiana Carry
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charlie12
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Louisiana Carry wrote:
Louisiana Carry wrote:
Too bad we don't have video.
mark edward marchiafava
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Since I don't visit that site, what was it about?
Since I don't visit that site, what was it about?
sraacke
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charlie12 wrote:
charlie12 wrote:
Too bad I'm not a member so I could see what he's talking about.
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Hey guys, here is what happened to me last night.
Hey guys, I am the one who was at walmart
I started my trip to walmart as I always do. I walked in and saw a lady cop so I spoke with her just to "identify" my self so to speak. I do this every time and don't seem to have any problems.
The lady asked if I had a permit so of course I explained to her the open carry law. She calls her LT (who happens to be her husband)
She tells me that the LT is on his way. So I ask my self, why is the LT on his way when I have done nothing wrong.... couldn't he just say he is legal like they always do?
After about 20 minutes, 6 TPSO walk in and escort me out. When I get out side 3 more are waiting. They take my gun off my hip and question me. On a side note, I didn't think they could "legally" take my weapon off of me. There was nothing done wrong.. Just like me wearing a green hat that a LEO doesn't like. Can he walk me outside and take it off me and put it on the side? They said it was for officer safety, but I don't believe that.
They ask what am I doing with a firearm and I tell them that I have it for my protection. The officer then ask do you really think walmart is so unsafe that you have to bring a gun. I say back to him as I always do if questioned. If walmart is so safe, why was there a LEO on duty watching the store?
He couldn't answer my question and instead says that I am going to be arrested for alarming the public.
I told him that the public was never alarmed as I just walked in the store and went up to the LEO on duty. No one was able to be alarmed being that I had not started shopping yet and stated that the public only noticed what was going on when all of the cars pull up like I had a threat on the building.
He says it doesn't matter and that he knows I was carrying my firearm legally but the law doesn't matter since he is going to take me to jail for something else.
At this time LEO A. Adams (car # 127) ask me what am I doing with a firearm at the age of 18. I explain to him that I can legally own the firearm at the age of 18 in LA. He jumps back and says if you can own one at 18 why can't you buy one from walmart. I state that walmart is a Federal dealer and that the Federal law is 21 to buy.
He ask how did I get that gun then. I explained to him that I did a private buy from a friend and that it was legal in LA to do this.
He says that "what you are telling me is bullshit."
I then said no, I know my laws. The LT stepped up and asked if I could provide him with the law that states this.
That's when I called LA Carry since I have been in touch with him many times about laws.
I provided the law to him and he said he is going to look at it and asked if I had proof of purchase for the gun. I told him no I don't and he says that is going to be a problem.
I ask why and he states that in 1994 LA put a law into affect that requires all firearms to be registered to their owner. I told him that there was no law that states this. He says "son I know the law"
I then called LA Carry again to make sure I was 100% correct on that.
By this time, 2 local Hammond City police cars arrive to take me to the local jail.
While they were all in their huddle officers started to slowly leave.
The LT then came up to me and asked me if I would like to sit in the back of his car with the heater since it was so cold and I had no jacket. I said sure and got into the back of the car. When I sat down I asked him what is going on and he says we have a problem buy I'll be with you in a minute.
While I was sitting I was able to call LA Carry again and give him an update on everything.
After being outside of walmart for about 2 hours and watching the Hammond LEOs drive off and watch the TPSO LEOs look at their law book and being on the phone with different officers and the sheriff him self, I had them take me out of the car and I asked him why was I being held and he got an attitude and said I never detained you so if you are looking for a lawsuit, you won't get one.
I just said back, well give me my firearm and I will be on my way. Officer A. Adams who has had an attitude the whole time says Your firearm is being held by TPSO because its under investigation.
Right after he says this, the Walmart manager and the guy who does the undercover shopping and etc for walmart came up to me and said we want you to know that walmart isn't pressing any charges on you because we do allow OC. I told him I know that I did nothing wrong and that it seems they LEOs are now looking for something to charge me with since they took it this far. He gave me a hint as to that was what they were doing and said good luck.
I called LA Carry back and told him about them not wanting to give my firearm back.
I told the officer (A. Adams) that he had no legal right to keep my firearm. No laws were broken!!!!
He says again with a tone its under investigation and goes and puts it in his car.
At this time I was getting a little heated up about the situation and started to call up my buddy who is a friend of the sheriff and my buddy who is in law.
The officers could hear me speaking with them on the phone and the lady LEO walked up to her husband and said "he is getting lawyers involved saying that his property was taken and held illegally"
At this time the walmart manager walks back out and starts speaking with the cops.
He then walks up to me and starts talking real soft so no one could hear him and says "I spoke with them again to see why you are still out here and they said they are about to give you your weapon back." He also says, "they know they messed up, but don't say anything, just take the gun back"
I tell him thanks for all the hints and he walks off.
Officer A. Adams then walks to his car and gets my gun and gives it back to me. I put it back in my holster.
He then gives me the mag and tells "don't put that mag in until you get to your car" I had to ask him what law is there that says I can't put my mag in?
He says again with a loud tone not to put the mag in until I get to my car.
I ask him where is my live round that was taken from the chamber. He says I don't know and walks off...... That kind of pissed me off. I get my gun and mag back but they lose my live round.
I ask them to have a report wrote up because my rights were greatly violated and LT Russel says I will write it up my self, don't worry.
He then says, this is still under investigation and we have 5 agencies looking into the matter.
I ask him what is there to look into, I have done nothing wrong.
He says, there are federal laws that say you can't walk into a bank with a firearm, and this walmart had a chase bank in it. (As you can see, they have thought of any and everything possible to pin something to me since they noticed they messed up)
He says don't be shocked if a fed knocks on your door because this investigation will be opened up to a year.
I tell him I have done nothing wrong. He says have a good day and you can pick up your report in 5 days.
I was out side of walmart for at least 3 hours.
I can't wait to see what the report looks like.
I really want to go public about this or take legal action or something.
Its like me being a LEO and I stop you and have cars surround you because you are wearing a shirt that I don't like. I then take your shirt and hold it until I can't any more.
That's the same thing that was done to me but with a gun instead. In many peoples eyes, they don't see that the same, but for law, there is no difference.
I am seriously wanting to take this matter to court or publicly.
Please flood TPSO with calls asking about this matter and why it was handled the way it was.
www.tpso.org
Contact TPSO. Tangipahoa Parish Sheriff's Office 15475 Club Deluxe Road Hammond, Louisiana 70403 (985) 345-6150 Hammond (985) 748-8147 Amite
I believe the Amite office is the main office where Sheriff Daniel Edwards is.
Hey guys, here is what happened to me last night.
Hey guys, I am the one who was at walmart
I started my trip to walmart as I always do. I walked in and saw a lady cop so I spoke with her just to "identify" my self so to speak. I do this every time and don't seem to have any problems.
The lady asked if I had a permit so of course I explained to her the open carry law. She calls her LT (who happens to be her husband)
She tells me that the LT is on his way. So I ask my self, why is the LT on his way when I have done nothing wrong.... couldn't he just say he is legal like they always do?
After about 20 minutes, 6 TPSO walk in and escort me out. When I get out side 3 more are waiting. They take my gun off my hip and question me. On a side note, I didn't think they could "legally" take my weapon off of me. There was nothing done wrong.. Just like me wearing a green hat that a LEO doesn't like. Can he walk me outside and take it off me and put it on the side? They said it was for officer safety, but I don't believe that.
They ask what am I doing with a firearm and I tell them that I have it for my protection. The officer then ask do you really think walmart is so unsafe that you have to bring a gun. I say back to him as I always do if questioned. If walmart is so safe, why was there a LEO on duty watching the store?
He couldn't answer my question and instead says that I am going to be arrested for alarming the public.
I told him that the public was never alarmed as I just walked in the store and went up to the LEO on duty. No one was able to be alarmed being that I had not started shopping yet and stated that the public only noticed what was going on when all of the cars pull up like I had a threat on the building.
He says it doesn't matter and that he knows I was carrying my firearm legally but the law doesn't matter since he is going to take me to jail for something else.
At this time LEO A. Adams (car # 127) ask me what am I doing with a firearm at the age of 18. I explain to him that I can legally own the firearm at the age of 18 in LA. He jumps back and says if you can own one at 18 why can't you buy one from walmart. I state that walmart is a Federal dealer and that the Federal law is 21 to buy.
He ask how did I get that gun then. I explained to him that I did a private buy from a friend and that it was legal in LA to do this.
He says that "what you are telling me is bullshit."
I then said no, I know my laws. The LT stepped up and asked if I could provide him with the law that states this.
That's when I called LA Carry since I have been in touch with him many times about laws.
I provided the law to him and he said he is going to look at it and asked if I had proof of purchase for the gun. I told him no I don't and he says that is going to be a problem.
I ask why and he states that in 1994 LA put a law into affect that requires all firearms to be registered to their owner. I told him that there was no law that states this. He says "son I know the law"
I then called LA Carry again to make sure I was 100% correct on that.
By this time, 2 local Hammond City police cars arrive to take me to the local jail.
While they were all in their huddle officers started to slowly leave.
The LT then came up to me and asked me if I would like to sit in the back of his car with the heater since it was so cold and I had no jacket. I said sure and got into the back of the car. When I sat down I asked him what is going on and he says we have a problem buy I'll be with you in a minute.
While I was sitting I was able to call LA Carry again and give him an update on everything.
After being outside of walmart for about 2 hours and watching the Hammond LEOs drive off and watch the TPSO LEOs look at their law book and being on the phone with different officers and the sheriff him self, I had them take me out of the car and I asked him why was I being held and he got an attitude and said I never detained you so if you are looking for a lawsuit, you won't get one.
I just said back, well give me my firearm and I will be on my way. Officer A. Adams who has had an attitude the whole time says Your firearm is being held by TPSO because its under investigation.
Right after he says this, the Walmart manager and the guy who does the undercover shopping and etc for walmart came up to me and said we want you to know that walmart isn't pressing any charges on you because we do allow OC. I told him I know that I did nothing wrong and that it seems they LEOs are now looking for something to charge me with since they took it this far. He gave me a hint as to that was what they were doing and said good luck.
I called LA Carry back and told him about them not wanting to give my firearm back.
I told the officer (A. Adams) that he had no legal right to keep my firearm. No laws were broken!!!!
He says again with a tone its under investigation and goes and puts it in his car.
At this time I was getting a little heated up about the situation and started to call up my buddy who is a friend of the sheriff and my buddy who is in law.
The officers could hear me speaking with them on the phone and the lady LEO walked up to her husband and said "he is getting lawyers involved saying that his property was taken and held illegally"
At this time the walmart manager walks back out and starts speaking with the cops.
He then walks up to me and starts talking real soft so no one could hear him and says "I spoke with them again to see why you are still out here and they said they are about to give you your weapon back." He also says, "they know they messed up, but don't say anything, just take the gun back"
I tell him thanks for all the hints and he walks off.
Officer A. Adams then walks to his car and gets my gun and gives it back to me. I put it back in my holster.
He then gives me the mag and tells "don't put that mag in until you get to your car" I had to ask him what law is there that says I can't put my mag in?
He says again with a loud tone not to put the mag in until I get to my car.
I ask him where is my live round that was taken from the chamber. He says I don't know and walks off...... That kind of pissed me off. I get my gun and mag back but they lose my live round.
I ask them to have a report wrote up because my rights were greatly violated and LT Russel says I will write it up my self, don't worry.
He then says, this is still under investigation and we have 5 agencies looking into the matter.
I ask him what is there to look into, I have done nothing wrong.
He says, there are federal laws that say you can't walk into a bank with a firearm, and this walmart had a chase bank in it. (As you can see, they have thought of any and everything possible to pin something to me since they noticed they messed up)
He says don't be shocked if a fed knocks on your door because this investigation will be opened up to a year.
I tell him I have done nothing wrong. He says have a good day and you can pick up your report in 5 days.
I was out side of walmart for at least 3 hours.
I can't wait to see what the report looks like.
I really want to go public about this or take legal action or something.
Its like me being a LEO and I stop you and have cars surround you because you are wearing a shirt that I don't like. I then take your shirt and hold it until I can't any more.
That's the same thing that was done to me but with a gun instead. In many peoples eyes, they don't see that the same, but for law, there is no difference.
I am seriously wanting to take this matter to court or publicly.
Please flood TPSO with calls asking about this matter and why it was handled the way it was.
www.tpso.org
Contact TPSO. Tangipahoa Parish Sheriff's Office 15475 Club Deluxe Road Hammond, Louisiana 70403 (985) 345-6150 Hammond (985) 748-8147 Amite
I believe the Amite office is the main office where Sheriff Daniel Edwards is.
mark edward marchiafava
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PLEASE call immediately, John Delgado 225-383-5090
Just hung up after calling TPSO, what a circus.........
Deputy Adams was off, Chief Deputy Pevey (?) didn't know anything, Don Alexander was nowhere to be found, finally spoke with Jimmy Travis. According to Travis, the whole thing started after a bed-wetting pansy went to the extra duty officer to report, yep, "a man with a gun." I informed Travis, according to the La. Supreme Court's Fluker decision, what his deputies did was in violation of the decision of the court. Furthermore, I asked if his deputies swore an oath to uphold and defend the constitution of the state of Louisiana, which he confirmed. I asked if he would, personally, read article 1 sec 11 and teach it to his deputies. He assured me he would.
Travis was VERY polite and non-confrontational, unlike most "law enforcement officers." When he asked why I was calling about this incident, I informed him I would prefer not to be violated while in Tangipahoa parish. If I am violated, a federal lawsuit would be sure to follow.
PLEASE call immediately, John Delgado 225-383-5090
Just hung up after calling TPSO, what a circus.........
Deputy Adams was off, Chief Deputy Pevey (?) didn't know anything, Don Alexander was nowhere to be found, finally spoke with Jimmy Travis. According to Travis, the whole thing started after a bed-wetting pansy went to the extra duty officer to report, yep, "a man with a gun." I informed Travis, according to the La. Supreme Court's Fluker decision, what his deputies did was in violation of the decision of the court. Furthermore, I asked if his deputies swore an oath to uphold and defend the constitution of the state of Louisiana, which he confirmed. I asked if he would, personally, read article 1 sec 11 and teach it to his deputies. He assured me he would.
Travis was VERY polite and non-confrontational, unlike most "law enforcement officers." When he asked why I was calling about this incident, I informed him I would prefer not to be violated while in Tangipahoa parish. If I am violated, a federal lawsuit would be sure to follow.
mark edward marchiafava
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Talk to John Delgado, seek HIS advice. Bayou Shooters is just that, a bunch of shooters, not gun rights activists. Personally, I wouldn't waste any time there.
Talk to John Delgado, seek HIS advice. Bayou Shooters is just that, a bunch of shooters, not gun rights activists. Personally, I wouldn't waste any time there.
mark edward marchiafava
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Talk with John, ask him if there's anything he'd prefer to not disclose.
It wouldn't hurt to contact the local newspaper, either.
Next time I'm in Hammond, I'll be SURE to visit the Walmart, too.
Talk with John, ask him if there's anything he'd prefer to not disclose.
It wouldn't hurt to contact the local newspaper, either.
Next time I'm in Hammond, I'll be SURE to visit the Walmart, too.
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mark edward marchiafava wrote:
In my eyes, I did nothing to have my weapon taken off my side to begin with.
Are you registered on BS.com? I'd like you to see all of the post over there, I have been posting back to everyone.
mark edward marchiafava wrote:
Thanks again, I'm going to give him a call and get his advice. Lot of LEOs over at BS.com are saying that nothing was really done wrong.
In my eyes, I did nothing to have my weapon taken off my side to begin with.
Are you registered on BS.com? I'd like you to see all of the post over there, I have been posting back to everyone.
mark edward marchiafava
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The fact most of the LEO's on Bayou Shooter don't see anything wrong should tell you LOTS about the mentality of that bunch. I have no use for them, sorry.
Your detention, in and of itself, was unlawful, no question.
The ONLY concern I see is proving damages as a basis of a civil suit.
Courts pretty much let cops do anything they want, a trend which accelerated during the Bush regime and will probably continue/worsen during the one-term presidency of The Anointed One.
The fact most of the LEO's on Bayou Shooter don't see anything wrong should tell you LOTS about the mentality of that bunch. I have no use for them, sorry.
Your detention, in and of itself, was unlawful, no question.
The ONLY concern I see is proving damages as a basis of a civil suit.
Courts pretty much let cops do anything they want, a trend which accelerated during the Bush regime and will probably continue/worsen during the one-term presidency of The Anointed One.
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mark edward marchiafava wrote:
mark edward marchiafava wrote:
I just tried to call John but the number you gave me did not work. I called the number that La Carry gave me and the lady that answered the phone said that John will not be in today so I'd have to call back after the holiday.
mark edward marchiafava
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I've misplaced his number, what is it, please?
I've misplaced his number, what is it, please?
XD-GEM
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Looks to me like the Walmart manager deserves a "thank you" for knowing you were in the right.
This kind of thing has been happening enough that I would think the various LEOs on this board and others would spread the word to their fellow officers that they need to leave OCers alone, no matter what one's own opinion of OC is.
Looks to me like the Walmart manager deserves a "thank you" for knowing you were in the right.
This kind of thing has been happening enough that I would think the various LEOs on this board and others would spread the word to their fellow officers that they need to leave OCers alone, no matter what one's own opinion of OC is.
chad pf-9
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XD-GEM wrote:
I was thinking the same thing too.Seems like a prety cool Wal Mart Manager.
I go to hammond very often.will make sure I OC iat Wal Mart there.
I may be out that way tomorrow?I think I am gonna print out this whole thread,& keep it on me while I am out there.....Just in case........
They have quite Few St.John Parish "Reserve Deputies" where I work(I think one is a part time detective).I think I am gonna show them this,& see what they tell me(Hopefully they will bring it to the attention to the Dept.here,just to maybe make it a little easier to OC out here).there are a few that I see all the time that are cool,& don't mess with me when I am OC'ing,but there are always the "know it all" ones,that try to mess with you.
well anyway,hope everything works out
XD-GEM wrote:
I was thinking the same thing too.Seems like a prety cool Wal Mart Manager.
I go to hammond very often.will make sure I OC iat Wal Mart there.
I may be out that way tomorrow?I think I am gonna print out this whole thread,& keep it on me while I am out there.....Just in case........
They have quite Few St.John Parish "Reserve Deputies" where I work(I think one is a part time detective).I think I am gonna show them this,& see what they tell me(Hopefully they will bring it to the attention to the Dept.here,just to maybe make it a little easier to OC out here).there are a few that I see all the time that are cool,& don't mess with me when I am OC'ing,but there are always the "know it all" ones,that try to mess with you.
well anyway,hope everything works out
XD-GEM
Campaign Veteran
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chad-pf9,
You might want to follow LA Carry's link to BayouShooter.com and read the thread over there. A number of the members are LEO and have quite strong opinions of this incident.
chad-pf9,
You might want to follow LA Carry's link to BayouShooter.com and read the thread over there. A number of the members are LEO and have quite strong opinions of this incident.