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    Ok, so I was at the local gun shop a couple of days ago and there was a couple in there speaking to one of the employees (I think he is also the CHL instructor) that didn't own a gun and was thinking of getting one for self defense, etc, etc...
    I overheard portions of their conversation as I was wondering around looking at different things and he was showing them different guns and giving them a pretty good education! I was pleased at his patience, calmness, and complete yet simple manner of explaining and educating these two individuals.
    Then they started asking about carrying. I don't agree with the CC only laws that we have, and am participating in the fight to get OC legalized here, but I had never really realized how absurd our law is until I heard this guy explaining some things to this lady! He was talking about when, where, and how you can legally 'break concealment'! One of his examples is what really caught my attention. He carries (as many (most?) do, on thier hip/person where the weapon must be 'drawn' in order to be used, and that in the event of a 'potential' attack, he could not effectively 'ready' his firearm without breaking concealment and being in violation of the law, where, if she were to carry in her purse, she could have her gun in hand, and even completely unload the weapon on her would be assailaint without breaking concealment!
    I don't know, maybe you had to be there and actually hear it, but it just sounded so absurd to me when I actually HEARD it explained the way that this guy did.

    Just for clarification, this is in no way an attack on the gentleman at the gun shop; he was doing his job and explaining the LAW the way that it is, as is his job. This is a statement of the absurdity of that LAW.

    Ok, I'm done venting now...

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    Gator5713 wrote:
    Just for clarification, this is in no way an attack on the gentleman at the gun shop;

    I think maybe it should have been. I HIGHLY doubt the law mandates that you fire withthe weapon ina concealed position. If you have reason to fire, having reason to draw kind of precedes that, wouldn't you say? Having the shooting as the given and debating whether or not you're justified in drawing is kind of putting the carriage before the horse, don't you think? The guy is just an idiot.

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    Yeah. CC licenses are for CARRYING concealed. It's expected that concealment will be broken to use the weapon.

    He needs to be talked to.

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    I apologize for not quoting exactly or perfectly what he said...
    There was more to the statement/discussion. He was not at fault or mis-informing anyone.

    His point was that he could not 'ready' his arm until the threat was 'real' versus someone carrying a gun in a purse could ready and even fire if necessary without having to worry about breaking concealment (brandishing).

    My point to absurdity is more the line that when I (or anyone) is being 'approached' in a manner that could be considered threatening, even if there is not yet a 'show of force from the 'possible' aggressor; by being allowed to 'ready' or at least unconceal and 'cover by hand' my weapon could show the aggressor that I mean to defend myself if need be and likely diffuse the entire situation before it gets nasty.

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    The danger of carrying in a purse is that any time the woman puts the purse down, she is relinquishing control of her firearm. How often do women put their purses down at restaurants, checkout counters, movie theaters,and in bathrooms? Then of course you have to worry about purse snatchers.

    Although a gun in the purse is better than none at all, it is much better to have it on your person where it is much easier to control access. CC or OC, good luck to anyone trying to get my gun without me knowing about itand putting up a fight.

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    I would have take the opportunity to walk up and explain that there was a movement to allow Open Carry. I'd tell them about this website I heard about on the interweb called Open Carry dot something. I hear that if you go there you can sign some sort of petition and meet other gun people who advocate Open Carry.You can even donate moeny to get bill boards and radio ads out to inform others about open carry. I'll see if I can find that site and posta link to ithere later.




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    Gator5713 wrote:
    I apologize for not quoting exactly or perfectly what he said...
    There was more to the statement/discussion. He was not at fault or mis-informing anyone.

    His point was that he could not 'ready' his arm until the threat was 'real' versus someone carrying a gun in a purse could ready and even fire if necessary without having to worry about breaking concealment (brandishing).

    My point to absurdity is more the line that when I (or anyone) is being 'approached' in a manner that could be considered threatening, even if there is not yet a 'show of force from the 'possible' aggressor; by being allowed to 'ready' or at least unconceal and 'cover by hand' my weapon could show the aggressor that I mean to defend myself if need be and likely diffuse the entire situation before it gets nasty.


    Ah... now it makes sense. And yes, it is absurd.

    Does anyone know how often people get charged with brandishing when trying to defuse a situation (just curious)? Aren't something like 95% of all firearms defenses no-shot situations? I wonder how many of those people get charged.

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    I get the OP observation, but I can't help but get this picture in my head that maybe the salesman is advocating that we all start carrying our guns in purses.

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