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    After the horrible events inMumbai we saw how those who have been denied the right to effective self defense faired. Terrorists had a real easy time of it because of India's draconian gun laws.

    The police and security forces could not protect anyone. It really reminds me of the Luby Cafeteria incident in Texas.

    The Boy Scout motto is Be Prepared. The gun on your hip IS your emergency preparedness. Don't let the Brady Bunch clowns tell you otherwise.


    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come …………. PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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    I counsel felons that are on probation, many of them are repeat offenders. Recently one of them was dying from cancer, told me he had planned on going to Phoenix where he was first arrested and kill as many honkies as he could find at the mall. He then confessed when he saw quiet a few people at the mall where OC armed he decided he wasnt ready to be gunned down by some shopper. He died shortly there after of pancreatic cancer. He also admitted that if he had not seen anybody armed he would have opened fire on people coming out of the food mart. He figured he could have killed as many as he had ammo. He did not disclose his weapon of choice.

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    People hollar Gun control. Thats all fine and dandy, but the only ones your are controlling is the Honest person. I'm not going out to kill anyone, so what good does taking my gun away from me do? None....

    I you take the guns away from people like me, the only People you are protecting is the criminals.

    (Not like anyone is ever ever going to take my guns away)

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    41mag wrote:
    I counsel felons that are on probation, many of them are repeat offenders. Recently one of them was dying from cancer, told me he had planned on going to Phoenix where he was first arrested and kill as many honkies as he could find at the mall. He then confessed when he saw quiet a few people at the mall where OC armed he decided he wasnt ready to be gunned down by some shopper. He died shortly there after of pancreatic cancer. He also admitted that if he had not seen anybody armed he would have opened fire on people coming out of the food mart. He figured he could have killed as many as he had ammo. He did not disclose his weapon of choice.
    Was this in the '70's ?...lol honkies.....but its good to know that open carry is a detterant thats why I believe in it.
    I am not anti Cop I am just pro Citizen.

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    of their respect for what only appears to be a law, are cunningly coerced into waiving their
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    41mag wrote:
    I counsel felons that are on probation, many of them are repeat offenders. Recently one of them was dying from cancer, told me he had planned on going to Phoenix where he was first arrested and kill as many honkies as he could find at the mall. He then confessed when he saw quiet a few people at the mall where OC armed he decided he wasnt ready to be gunned down by some shopper. He died shortly there after of pancreatic cancer. He also admitted that if he had not seen anybody armed he would have opened fire on people coming out of the food mart. He figured he could have killed as many as he had ammo. He did not disclose his weapon of choice.
    Glad he died. Hope it hurt. Just what we need. Some racist with a gun out to kill "honkies".



    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

    Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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    "Happiness is a warm shotgun!!"
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    SFCRetired wrote:
    SouthernBoy wrote:
    41mag wrote:
    I counsel felons that are on probation, many of them are repeat offenders. Recently one of them was dying from cancer, told me he had planned on going to Phoenix where he was first arrested and kill as many honkies as he could find at the mall. He then confessed when he saw quiet a few people at the mall where OC armed he decided he wasnt ready to be gunned down by some shopper. He died shortly there after of pancreatic cancer. He also admitted that if he had not seen anybody armed he would have opened fire on people coming out of the food mart. He figured he could have killed as many as he had ammo. He did not disclose his weapon of choice.
    Glad he died. Hope it hurt. Just what we need. Some racist with a gun out to kill "honkies".


    This sort of comment is exactly what we do not need in our quest to protect and preserve our rights.

    Yes, he was a racist and yes, he was wrong. But, like it or not, he was also a human being dying from a horribly painful cancer.

    Read John Donne sometimes. "No man is an island unto himself, no man stands alone. Therefore, ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee."

    Don't you think the antis just love comments like this? Adds fuel to their efforts.
    Yeah, I kinda went off the deep end there and for that, I must apologize to my friends on this site. It's just that the comments reported infuriated me and I just reacted.


    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

    Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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    Why do I open Carry?



    because concealed carry is not a legal option in my state.

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    Nutczak wrote:
    ...SNIP
    because concealed carry is not a legal option in my state.
    This is where Groucho says ... "Now folks ... Say the magic word and win $100."

    That state would be... Oh and if you enter the state into your profile it will appear on all of your posts at once (past and future) so when you are in a discussion this important information will already be available .
    "Research has shown that a 230 grain lead pellet placed just behind the ear at 850 FPS results in a permanent cure for violent criminal behavior."
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    Nutczak wrote:
    Why do I open Carry?



    because concealed carry is not a legal option in my state.
    I second this and we are both from Wisconsin.

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    Parabellum wrote:
    Nutczak wrote:
    Why do I open Carry?



    because concealed carry is not a legal option in my state.
    I second this and we are both from Wisconsin.
    One of our more famous Virginia members,Tess,says she Open Carries her handgun -

    "Because she can't carry a cop" :what:
    "Research has shown that a 230 grain lead pellet placed just behind the ear at 850 FPS results in a permanent cure for violent criminal behavior."
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    Hawkflyer wrote:
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    Nutczak wrote:
    Why do I open Carry?



    because concealed carry is not a legal option in my state.
    I second this and we are both from Wisconsin.
    One of our more famous Virginia members,Tess,says she Open Carries her handgun -

    "Because she can't carry a cop" :what:
    I actually told someone that recently.. over the holidays. It was an order taker at the Five Guys in Gainesville. I kinda chuckled after I said it because it came out so fast, I was a little surprised I had responded with that answer. He was good natured and we both had a little laugh.




    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

    Si vis pacem, para bellum.

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    Hawkflyer wrote:
    Nutczak wrote:
    ...SNIP
    because concealed carry is not a legal option in my state.
    This is where Groucho says ... "Now folks ... Say the magic word and win $100."

    That state would be... Oh and if you enter the state into your profile it will appear on all of your posts at once (past and future) so when you are in a discussion this important information will already be available .
    Sorry guys, I didn't fill my profile with my state, I will change that ASAP.

    But since there are only 2 states in the entire USA that do not allow at least some type of C-C, you had a 50/50 chance with only a guess. And since I am notan anti-gun liberal democrat, the logical choice would have been the great state of Wisconsin.

    Anyone know the other state?? it's where the new messiah decided to call his latest home since Kenya!

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    Nutczak wrote:
    Hawkflyer wrote:
    Nutczak wrote:
    ...SNIP
    because concealed carry is not a legal option in my state.
    This is where Groucho says ... "Now folks ... Say the magic word and win $100."

    That state would be... Oh and if you enter the state into your profile it will appear on all of your posts at once (past and future) so when you are in a discussion this important information will already be available .
    Sorry guys, I didn't fill my profile with my state, I will change that ASAP.

    But since there are only 2 states in the entire USA that do not allow at least some type of C-C, you had a 50/50 chance with only a guess. And since I am notan anti-gun liberal democrat, the logical choice would have been the great state of Wisconsin.

    Anyone know the other state?? it's where the new messiah decided to call his latest home since Kenya!
    It would be the state I grew up in, the Socialist Republic of Chicago.

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    'Too bad it wasn't flesh eatin' worms or somesuch. What's all this touchy-feely 'bout some perp who'd waste innocents? I'd feed 'em into a sausage grinder on pay-per- view 'n pass around the popcorn. I don't CARE what the anti's say... or think... or if they can say or think at all.

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    "Happiness is a warm shotgun!!"
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    'Tell ya what I think about 'appearances' First Shirt... I call 'em likeI see 'em. I make no concessions. Particularly to the 'politically correct' nonsense. I will render unto Caeser that which is Ceaser's... and give the devil his due... but I will NOT pander to them or their misplaced 'sensititivities'.

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    Has anyone here ever worked in a state maximum security prison, in a level five prison, in a "Capitol Case" housing unit (Death Row)?

    I have and I retired after 20 years.

    As a supervisor I read hundreds of case studies of inmates who committed the most horrific crimes on society's innocent people. Crimes ranging from child rape to multiple murder.

    So I really don't give a rats a$$ if a locked up convicted felon dies from an incurable disease.

    You want to impress an anti to join our side? Simply ask one to tour a maximum security prison during an open house for workers famlies, or to simply sit down to a conversation with a correction officer who works in society's garbage pit.

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    GWbiker wrote:
    Has anyone here ever worked in a state maximum security prison, in a level five prison, in a "Capitol Case" housing unit (Death Row)?

    I have and I retired after 20 years.

    As a supervisor I read hundreds of case studies of inmates who committed the most horrific crimes on society's innocent people. Crimes ranging from child rape to multiple murder.

    So I really don't give a rats a$$ if a locked up convicted felon dies from an incurable disease.

    You want to impress an anti to join our side? Simply ask one to tour a maximum security prison during an open house for workers famlies, or to simply sit down to a conversation with a correction officer who works in society's garbage pit.
    Amen brother, I haven't worked at a prison or a jail for that matter, but I'm sure the movies I have watched over the years are pretty close to what its like. And owe BTW I watched Lockup mulitple times, and it doesn't look like a good or fun job, but someones gotta do it. I don't agree though, that all our laws are correct and just either, I believe there's alot of innocent people in there for no real reason at all, they were framed. And the only people who would know about that is the person who got framed and the person who framed the other. Just something to think about,hmmm

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    I don't agree though, that all our laws are correct and just either, I believe there's alot of innocent people in there for no real reason at all, they were framed. And the only people who would know about that is the person who got framed and the person who framed the other. Just something to think about,hmmm
    I can see you never worked in law enforcement, bro.

    Those convicted felons are INNOCENT of any crime. They were ALL FRAMED. Just ask them!

    There are very few guilty people in our prisons.

    I met a "lifer" who readily admitted to murdering his wife and her lover.

    I had more respect for lifers who admitted their guilt than the whiners who claimed to be innocent and framed by Police or by unknown persons.

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    GWbiker wrote:
    I don't agree though, that all our laws are correct and just either, I believe there's alot of innocent people in there for no real reason at all, they were framed. And the only people who would know about that is the person who got framed and the person who framed the other. Just something to think about,hmmm
    I can see you never worked in law enforcement, bro.

    Those convicted felons are INNOCENT of any crime. They were ALL FRAMED. Just ask them!

    There are very few guilty people in our prisons.

    I met a "lifer" who readily admitted to murdering his wife and her lover.

    I had more respect for lifers who admitted their guilt than the whiners who claimed to be innocent and framed by Police or by unknown persons.
    now now, bro, your taking what I said out of context, misconscrewing my words and saying things that are way off from what I'm saying. And no I haven't never worked in any type of law enforcement, but I did serve my country in the Army for along time and I'm a war veteran of Iraq, so I do believe I have a little room to speak on this subject, don't you.

    Now that being said, what I was really trying to say,so that you can understand me better was not everyone in prisons and jail are guilty, I have a lot of friends who were LEO's and corrections officers and they told me a lot of what goes on, and I respect the job. But don't agree everyone should have to serve time in the big pin for little minor crimes, there's gotta be a better way, like community service, plus weekends in jails and stuff of that nature. I'm not going to give a percentage on how many people I think are innocent in prison , but I wouldn't say its to many, I believe most of them in prison ARE guilty, do I believe a unarmed robber that robs a gas stations belongs in the same place with killers,rapist,muggers and so on, absolutely not. But that's the way things are until we can convince intelligent people that all don't belong in the same place. Remember my user name" Mr. Advocate" I'm here for everyone in some form or fashion, they are still human beings first, before they are criminals and depending on there crime, they should be separated from others inside or outside of the prison based on there crime. The yards should not be filled with criminals of all different natures, that's how non violent , or less crime committed criminals get killed in the system. And you said you was a correction officer for along time so I know you've seen a lot, and you know what I'm talking about.

    When the state/gov. takes someone in on charges and puts them behind bars it is the responsibility of that facility and staff to protect each and every criminal behind bars, so that way they can serve there time like there suppose to and live to get out and have a second chance to redeem themselves to all of us out here, to see if there worthy of gaining there freedom back. Wouldn't you agree? Just something to think aboutAlso somethings else, once a convicted felon, not always a convicted felon, I think once you have served the time for the crime, and you get out and have proven yourself to the community during what is called the probation period, I'd say in about a years time frame, Depending on your crime of course, that you should be able to go back and apply to get your firearm rights restored and the convicted felon title removed from your name. See the thing is, I seem to change in people, that some actually will change and do change when they get out, I honestly believe people can change, now I know your shaken your head and saying stuff like , this guys crazy or completely wrong, but I'm about helping people if they want help and need it. I don't believe in condemning people for life for what they did one time. Give them a second chance to succeed in life, whats so wrong with that. I don't know what your religious view points are, But thank goodness that God has unconditional love for all of us, and its outa the pure grace of God that we have a chance to go to heaven. Or else almost all of us on earth would be going to hell.


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    When I did my field training... 'had occaision to go to the MD State Pen... the old one, downtown. More like an insane asylum. There's people (I use that term generically) in there who should NEVER be allowed anywhere near civilized human beings... ever!

    To err is human... to forgive ain't in my job description. I have no compassion, empathy or warm fuzzies for none of 'em. They need killin'. 'Advocate' knows nothing of the nature of the beasts he'd coddle.

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    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    When I did my field training... 'had occaision to go to the MD State Pen... the old one, downtown. More like an insane asylum. There's people (I use that term generically) in there who should NEVER be allowed anywhere near civilized human beings... ever!

    To err is human... to forgive ain't in my job description. I have no compassion, empathy or warm fuzzies for none of 'em. They need killin'. 'Advocate' knows nothing of the nature of the beasts he'd coddle.
    Well said Rebel, but do know actually about the nature of the beast though, and I completely agree with you that some people should Never be allowed anywhere close to any human beings, I agree with that, that's a very true statement. But your talking about maximum security prisons level 5 right? Like the most ruthless people in existence right? Those beast should actually be in the insane asylum though, cause they have some really serious issue's. A padded room, white light on all the time, and in one of those vest, the name slipped my mind, but its one of those vest that locks in the back of the person. Oh yeah they need to given shots of whatever they give those people there as well, cause those type that your talking about are on the helpless list. But that's a holenother issue, than what I'm talking about

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    41mag wrote:
    I counsel felons that are on probation, many of them are repeat offenders. Recently one of them was dying from cancer, told me he had planned on going to Phoenix where he was first arrested and kill as many honkies as he could find at the mall. He then confessed when he saw quiet a few people at the mall where OC armed he decided he wasnt ready to be gunned down by some shopper. He died shortly there after of pancreatic cancer. He also admitted that if he had not seen anybody armed he would have opened fire on people coming out of the food mart. He figured he could have killed as many as he had ammo. He did not disclose his weapon of choice.
    Wow. Wish I could confirm that story. It would be great to use in arguments over this issue.

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    when the state/gov. takes someone in on charges and puts them behind bars it is the responsibility of that facility and staff to protect each and every criminal behind bars, so that way they can serve there time like there suppose to and live to get out and have a second chance to redeem themselves to all of us out here, to see if there worthy of gaining there freedom back. Wouldn't you agree? Just something to think aboutAlso somethings else, once a convicted felon, not always a convicted felon, I think once you have served the time for the crime, and you get out and have proven yourself to the community during what is called the probation period, I'd say in about a years time frame, Depending on your crime of course, that you should be able to go back and apply to get your firearm rights restored and the convicted felon title removed from your name. See the thing is, I seem to change in people, that some actually will change and do change when they get out, I honestly believe people can change, now I know your shaken your head and saying stuff like , this guys crazy or completely wrong, but I'm about helping people if they want help and need it. I don't believe in condemning people for life for what they did one time. Give them a second chance to succeed in life, whats so wrong with that. I don't know what your religious view points are, But thank goodness that God has unconditional love for all of us, and its outa the pure grace of God that we have a chance to go to heaven. Or else almost all of us on earth would be going to hell.
    If you sincerely believe all that nonsense you tapped out, then apply for a counselor position at one of your state correction institution. Assuming you are of age. Drug/alcohol, mental health, anger management, sexual abuse counselors are always needed and the pay is quite good.

    While on your quest to change the attitudes of habitual offenders and thus make the world a better/safer place to live in, first spend a few years in one of society's junkyards before you spout off more liberal nonsense.

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