Patriotic Synergy

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Howdy folks,

I'm a patriotic American citizen who thinks it's time Americans everywhere join together, to form a network to enhance our solidarity on many issues. Please hear me out.

I see our nation and it's constitution being attacked on many fronts, not just the Second Amendment issues. I am a NRA/ SATF member; I also belong to the CRTKBA/SAF Alan Gottlieb presides over. I was once solely focused on the fight for our gun-rights, but I've learned that this is but one front in a larger war.

It is my goal to attempt to bring as many American patriots together as possible. I see the need to sway public opinion, the first step in that struggle is educating the masses, so they too join the effort to defend our rights.

I'll be blunt, I've seen a form of 'patriotic myopia' rear it's head on different issues in the past. You need to understand that all of our rights, which are defended by the US Constitution, are intertwined. We the people must defend our rights, the constitution gives us the legal standing to do so. The US Constitution does not grant those rights, they are unalienable rights. Let's be very clear about that issue.

I found this forum by way of a post I made on another forum. The post was about open carry, and this website was mentioned therein. I can't help but think that this is an opportunity to work on my stated goal: to further strengthen 'patriotic synergy' across our nation.

This is an impressive forum, it's a great archive of knowledge. I'd like to attempt to broaden it's considerable depth by offering another dimension to the equation. I fully read the forum rules here. I hope that the moderators of this forum will research what I'm about to offer before they make any decision about it.

I know of another patriotic websiteI think America could learn from. It has a small area focused on gun-rights too, but it has a broader focus, overall. So, in the interests of patriotic solidarity and synergy I'd like to inform you of it. If this is deemed as SPAM, I will understand. Please understand however that this site absolutely does not solicit donations, it's privately funded. An objective observation of it will bear this claim out.

The Patriot's Corner Website

http://www.patriotscorner.com/index.shtml

From my perspective, all patriotic websites are 'sister organisations'. We share a common love of our nation and attempt to inform, educate and promote American ideals and defend our liberties. Divde and Conquer is a technique being used against US.

United We Stand, Divided We Fall.

Patriots, Unite.

Thanks for your time,

Enoch Root

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From the websight:
What We Believe





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Vote for Ron Paul for President in 2008!


Please call again when you have something besides a gaping holein the ground surrounded by massive fail.

stay safe.

skidmark

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skidmark wrote:

From the websight:
What We Believe





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Vote for Ron Paul for President in 2008!
 

Please call again when you have something besides a gaping hole in the ground surrounded by massive fail.

stay safe.

skidmark

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I poked around the forums for awhile, some interesting stuff posted. The rest of the website is void of content, but I wouldn't say massive fail.

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Skidmark,

I'm not sure what to make of your message. I find it incoherent.

PerhapsI should have directed you to the forums:

http://www.patriotscorner.com/forums/index.php

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mkl,

The forum's owner operator is a busy man. He's been too busy to update the homepage fluff for months.

The PCF is primarily an information and discussion website.The members include LEOs, military service members, as well asprivate citizens. All are concerned with the state of the nation, as well as the direction our 'representatives' in Washington DC are leading this nation.

I suppose this is the 'massive fail' Skidmark alluded to:

Total posts 43264 | Total topics 8268

Never judge a book by it's cover.

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Enoch Root wrote:

Skidmark,

I'm not sure what to make of your message. I find it incoherent.

PerhapsI should have directed you to the forums:

http://www.patriotscorner.com/forums/index.php

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Perhaps you should have.

As for the "gaping hole in the ground surrounded by massive fail" comment - it was referring to

1) a section entitled "What we believe" that brings me to the "under construction" graphic -- if one put a "What we believe" section on their web page they durned well ought to have the brights to have something in that section. Having only a graphic saying you are construction what you believe seems to say you did not start out with beliefs you could post for others to read and ponder -- thus masive fail.

2) My bad for not being clearer on my attempt to reference the massive fail of the Ron Paul 2008 episode. While I agree with much of what he was saying and anting to do, I still think that under-organized 3rd party campaigns are indicators of massive fail. To clarify more -- Ron Paul and the Libertarian Party would, INHO, have done better to run a PSA campaign pointing out how both of the mainstream parties are pretty much the same and that the voting public are jackasses for accepting "more of the same" since <pick your time for the start of the decline of the Republic>.

As always, your political thoughts may not come close to matching mine. We are both entitled to our thoughts. I am one of those that will defend to the death (of whom we will not discuss) your right to hold completely, utterlyineffectual political thoughts.

I will go look at the forums.

stay safe.

skidmark

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I don't regard forum-flogging as substantively different from blog-flogging, spam redux.

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Skidmark,

I think you andI are largely on the same page. I call the Democratic/ Republican partiesa DUOPOLY. The mainstream media (MSM) is controlled by the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) socialists. It was they who undermined and marginalized Republican Party candidate Ron Paul's presidential election campaign.

On point one:

1) a section entitled "What we believe" that brings me to the "under construction" graphic -- if one put a "What we believe" section on their web page they durned well ought to have the brights to have something in that section. Having only a graphic saying you are construction what you believe seems to say you did not start out with beliefs you could post for others to read and ponder -- thus masive fail.

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I can't change that.

The webmaster, Raven Delta, is a busy man. His duties often take him away from home. I'll mention this topic to him, perhaps he can find the time to fix it.

As to point two:

2) My bad for not being clearer on my attempt to reference the massive fail of the Ron Paul 2008 episode. While I agree with much of what he was saying and anting to do, I still think that under-organized 3rd party campaigns are indicators of massive fail. To clarify more -- Ron Paul and the Libertarian Party would, INHO, have done better to run a PSA campaign pointing out how both of the mainstream parties are pretty much the same and that the voting public are jackasses for accepting "more of the same" since <pick your time for the start of the decline of the Republic>.

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Ron Paul is a Republican Congressman, not a third party candidate. He was a candidate once of the Libertarian Party, this is true.

The reason third party candidates can find no traction in American politics is because they are marginalized and denied an equal seat at the debates, in the MSM, etc. It is my opinion that we owe our loyalty not to any political party, but to the US Constitution exclusively. It is also my opinion that we need to break up the tyranny that the two-party Duopoly has on our election process.

Both John McCain and Barack Obama are members of the CFR.

GHW Bush, Bill Clinton, GW Bush; all members of the CFR.

Hilary Clinton, CFR member.

Dick Cheney, CFR member.

If you look at the last election, virtually all the candidates have ties to the socialist NGO of the CFR. Ron Paul was one of two men not aligned with the CFR, this is why he was marginalized at every turn by the two-party Duopoly and the MSM.

I've observed the CFR for many years, under the premise of 'know thine enemies'.

I now work to spread this knowledge to other American patriots.

Which came first, the Nation or the American Patriot?

-- John Galt - PCF

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Enoch Root wrote:

Skidmark,

I think you andI are largely on the same page. I call the Democratic/ Republican partiesa DUOPOLY. The mainstream media (MSM) is controlled by the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) socialists.

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We are NOT on the same page! Not largely, not hardly!

You, among other things, are a conspiracy theorist - CFR my rosy red hindparts.

The rest of your post will not be dignified by a response. Just wanted you and everyone else to be clear that we do not see the world in the same way.

stay safe.

skidmark

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I did not visit your website; not because I am not an American Patriot, but rather because I see a post blatantly assuming that this board will welcome with open arms you and your views when you have not taken any time to introduce yourself, get to know us, and become a part of the community. THAT is where the 'FAIL' comes in... at least from me.
Have a nice day.

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Geez guys talk about being judgemental! All this guy is trying to do is bring patriots together for a common cause, to help protect and preserve OUR rights. So what happens? you guys judge him and jump all over him. Your making this community look like a bunch of snobs.

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All I had to read was the 9-11 conspiracy thread (actually, just skimmed the very first post). That told me all I needed to know.

MASSIVE FAIL.

Before you know it, people will begin to believe that gun owners in general are a bunch of tin-foil hat wearing rednecks, sitting around on the porch with an AK across their laps, waiting for the gub'mint to come. That's not an image we want to project, unless we really do want to see the 2nd amendment repealed.

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There is an essential tension between freedom and community and between heterodoxy and orthodoxy.

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Well, he's right about the duopoly part. However, I don't buy into any of these conspiracy theories myself.

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I havenot touted CT stuff on this thread, I'm inviting unity.

The 'massive fail' being your inability to comprehend how to coalesce into a more effective political group by bringing more members to the table.

So be it.

I didn't come to this forum to be "welcomed with open arms". This struggle isn't about me. The form my introduction took was an invitation to the PCF. make of it what you will.

~

One short note:

To all you non-truthers:

You have your physics equations ready, I take it?

I certainly have mine ready. Science and facts back up my assertions; the science of Sir Isaac Newton, that placed man on the moon and objects on the surface of Mars, among other things.Your personal opinions and preconceptions/ misconceptions are your form of proof?!? Incredible.

You don't rebut my material, just rubberstamp it as "massive fail". That's a sheeple mentality, IMHO.

All I had to read was the 9-11 conspiracy thread (actually, just skimmed the very first post). That told me all I needed to know.

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You skim over some material that challenges your worldview and shy away? The idea that you're wrong, have been deceived, is unfathomable? I may be labeled as aConspiracy Theorist, as if that blanket accusation covers all the bases.I have done my research, reviewed my equations and I challengeyou to rebut my evidence on that level.

Robert A Heinlein once wrote:

If it can't be expressed in figures, it is not science; it is opinion.

~

Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house.

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I think you need to take a good long look before you put pencil to paper. You may end up on my side of the equation before you're through.

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And finally;

Dear skidmark,

Your attitude is troublesome, your education less than complete and your tact utterly lacking. I suggest you read the works of Gary Allen, then review recent history to check his facts and get back to me on the subject of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR).

Perhaps your "rosy red hindparts" will be able to produce more than a 'skidmark' in the future.

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Enoch Root wrote:

You have your physics equations ready, I take it?

I certainly have mine ready. Science and facts back up my assertions; the science of Sir Isaac Newton, that placed man on the moon and objects on the surface of Mars, among other things.Your personal opinions and preconceptions/ misconceptions are your form of proof?!? Incredible.

You don't rebut my material, just rubberstamp it as "massive fail". That's a sheeple mentality, IMHO.You skim over some material that challenges your worldview and shy away? The idea that you're wrong, have been deceived, is unfathomable? I may be labeled as aConspiracy Theorist, as if that blanket accusation covers all the bases.I have done my research, reviewed my equations and I challengeyou to rebut my evidence on that level.

Robert A Heinlein once wrote:

If it can't be expressed in figures, it is not science; it is opinion.

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Anyone who cannot cope with mathematics is not fully human. At best he is a tolerable subhuman who has learned to wear shoes, bathe, and not make messes in the house.

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I think you need to take a good long look before you put pencil to paper. You may end up on my side of the equation before you're through.

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May we see your equations, Hari Seldon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychohistory_(fictional) ETA correct URL and spelling (it's been about 40 years)

S. Mark is a comrade of some standing.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychohistory_(fictional)#Beyond_fiction

Beyond fiction Some individuals and groups, inspired by Asimov's psychohistory, seriously explore the possibility of a working psychohistory not unlike the one imagined by Asimov — a statistical study of history that could help in the formulation of some "theory of history" and perhaps become a tool of historical prediction. Such groups include "The psychohistory project". In 2002 a book appeared in Greek on the subject: "Psychohistory" (A tool for Historical Prediction) by Christos Z. Konstas, ISBN: 960-7928-72-5.[2]
Another theory that has similarities to Psychohistory is "Generational Dynamics" proposed by John J. Xenakis, where he proposes:
"Generational Dynamics is a historical methodology that analyzes historical events through the flow of generations, and uses the analysis to forecast future events by comparing today's generational attitudes to those of the past"[3]
Essentially, generations immediately after a major crisis event (stock market crash, civil war, world war) will be unwilling to live through such events again and will be risk-adverse. Generations after them may well be aware of previous crisis events, but will be more risk seeking as they have not been exposed to the crisis themselves. Xenakis states this allows to predict future crises events by analysing the current generation's outlooks.

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Doug,

I'm not sure what to make of your prior posts.

May we see your equations, Hari Seldon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychohistory_(fictional) ETA correct URL and spelling (it's been about 40 years)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychohistory_(fictional)#Beyond_fiction

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychohistory_(fictional)#Beyond_fiction

Beyond fiction Some individuals and groups, inspired by Asimov's psychohistory, seriously explore the possibility of a working psychohistory not unlike the one imagined by Asimov — a statistical study of history that could help in the formulation of some "theory of history" and perhaps become a tool of historical prediction. Such groups include "The psychohistory project". In 2002 a book appeared in Greek on the subject: "Psychohistory" (A tool for Historical Prediction) by Christos Z. Konstas, ISBN: 960-7928-72-5.[2]
Another theory that has similarities to Psychohistory is "Generational Dynamics" proposed by John J. Xenakis, where he proposes:
"Generational Dynamics is a historical methodology that analyzes historical events through the flow of generations, and uses the analysis to forecast future events by comparing today's generational attitudes to those of the past"[3]
Essentially, generations immediately after a major crisis event (stock market crash, civil war, world war) will be unwilling to live through such events again and will be risk-adverse. Generations after them may well be aware of previous crisis events, but will be more risk seeking as they have not been exposed to the crisis themselves. Xenakis states this allows to predict future crises events by analysing the current generation's outlooks.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychohistory_(fictional)#Beyond_fiction
What are you talking about, specifically? It seems unrelated to anything discussed so-far.
Are you asking to see the physics equations that prove 9/11 was an inside job?

Why don't you review the evidence independently, as I did? Or why don't you merely go to the PCF and review my dissertations on the topic fully?

Study this:

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/Newt.html

Newton's Three laws of Motion. Those are the laws of physics that prove that 9/11 was an inside job.

I have amassed much more evidence, peruse it at your leisure. A full review of the materialI present is in order before any intelligent debate can be forthcoming. I see no reason to redundantly post such material here. If you're a researcher, then you know the drill.

I'll make it easy for those who wish to review this topic. Here are direct links to the information in question:

9/ 11/ 2001 TRUTH RISING

http://www.patriotscorner.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8160

Semtember 11th, 2001 *Smoking Gun*

http://www.patriotscorner.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=6470

Trust me, you can not fully review these debates in a day, or even a week. I went into this study to prove the 9/11 truth movement wasWRONG, just as you're now attempting to do. But, I soon learned that science, photographic evidence and eyewitness accounts did not support my initialassumptions or the fallacy of the 'official lie'.

I continued to dig through the evidence, much of which is 'garbage'. I finally refined my case to Newton's Laws of Motion. That's the place wherethe 'official lie' totally crumbles apart.

I suggest that we move this debate to the Patriots' Corner Forum. I do not want to have such a debate on this forum.

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To get back to the original reason for this thread, observe:

The American Patriot Alliance

http://www.patriotscorner.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8771

I wish all members of this forum the best. I will reciprocate your cordial behavior to the best of my ability.

United We Stand.

Enoch Root AKA John Galt - moderator, PCF.

PS: If you'd like this forum to be promoted on the PCF under the American Patriot Alliance announcement, please contact me via Email or PM, here or on the Patriot's Corner Forum. This project is now whereI focus my energy, attempting to unite various patriotgroups to create 'Patriotic Synergy' and achieve 'critical mass' for the defense of our Democratic Republic.

Freedom, out.

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Alright, I'm done with you. Your constant screaming of "physics equations!" borders on an appeal to authority.

You yourself use very little actual math, no doubt because you wouldn't know where to being modeling something like the WTC collapse. I fail to see any calculations to support the vast majority of your assertions.

Furthermore, you spend inordinate time explaining simple things (no doubt to establish authority and distract us), and yet you fail to bolster even one of your underlying claims. Right off the bat, you talk about the towers having been built as three sections, and how the top sections should topple over. Where is the model? Where are the equations? Where is anything but an elementary treatment of superficial physics?

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OP = crackpot