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    I would strongly urge the administrators to replace the image on the index page of the site. The young lady, though attractive, epitomizes negativity that opponents of open carry associate with it. She displays a smug, smart-alecky attitude loaded with ego – “Look at me; I’m carrying a gun!” This is not the attitude that legal gun carriers want to portray whether they be concealed or open carriers.

    I have carried legally in Texas for 5 years. I never go out of the house without being armed. I am even armed when I take out the garbage. But I don’t take pride in that fact. It is just something that I do to protect myself. I like my weapon concealed. It is concealed in such as fashion that I can access it faster than if it were carried openly. If I am in a situation where I might have to use it, I don’t want the opponent to know that I am his/her enemy. This may give them the advantage. I want to surprise him/her.

    Therefore, I think this whole open carry movement is a step backwards. The prime reason most are interested in it is ego and pride. Doubt that? Seriously examine your thoughts for a period. Those that don’t carry and those that are opposed to weapons are quick to see this and will use this as a prime motivation to defeat it. We have a great asset in concealed carry. Let’s be satisfied with that. The movement for open carry could weaken the public support for concealed carry.

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    ideator wrote:
    I would strongly urge the administrators to replace the image on the index page of the site. The young lady, though attractive, epitomizes negativity that opponents of open carry associate with it. She displays a smug, smart-alecky attitude loaded with ego – “Look at me; I’m carrying a gun!” This is not the attitude that legal gun carriers want to portray whether they be concealed or open carriers.

    I have carried legally in Texas for 5 years. I never go out of the house without being armed. I am even armed when I take out the garbage. But I don’t take pride in that fact. It is just something that I do to protect myself. I like my weapon concealed. It is concealed in such as fashion that I can access it faster than if it were carried openly. If I am in a situation where I might have to use it, I don’t want the opponent to know that I am his/her enemy. This may give them the advantage. I want to surprise him/her.

    Therefore, I think this whole open carry movement is a step backwards. The prime reason most are interested in it is ego and pride. Doubt that? Seriously examine your thoughts for a period. Those that don’t carry and those that are opposed to weapons are quick to see this and will use this as a prime motivation to defeat it. We have a great asset in concealed carry. Let’s be satisfied with that. The movement for open carry could weaken the public support for concealed carry.
    Drive by???

    You don't have a choice in Texas, you have to conceal since open carry is illegal there.

    "Let's be satisfied with that", what the hell kind of logic is that. I only got 6 lashes with the whip, I could have got 12... so I'm happy. Good lord.
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    ideator wrote:
    It is concealed in such as fashion that I can access it faster than if it were carried openly.




    I know this ******* is a troll, but really how is that true? How please if you come back explain how you can get it faster.

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    Cute lil' gal in blue referred to - she's making a statement to any disposed to intrude into her space against her will. She doesn't frighten or threaten me one bit.As a matter of fact I'd like to see every woman so attired. I guess the sight of an armed female threatens some people - huh ?

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    Stand back! I got it!!





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    All I have to say is that any Idiot that actually believes this needs to be run into down town Loisville with Rebel flag on their shoulder...


    Seriously, what is wrong with Open carry. It is legal in KY and I have carried open for years. Currently waiting for my License to get here, but I dont have a bit of a problem carrying open. As for the ones that dont like guns and don't like me carrying them, I tell them the same thing I tell my Wife. If you dont like it, Move on. Your not going to stop me, so just **** about it. (Yes my wife hates guns with a passion and I have 7)

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    Ego and pride???

    Pot, this is kettle. Code word is BLACK, over.

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    ideator wrote:
    If I am in a situation where I might have to use it, I don’t want the opponent to know that I am his/her enemy. This may give them the advantage. I want to surprise him/her.

    Therefore, I think this whole open carry movement is a step backwards. The prime reason most are interested in it is ego and pride. Doubt that? Seriously examine your thoughts for a period. Those that don’t carry and those that are opposed to weapons are quick to see this and will use this as a prime motivation to defeat it. We have a great asset in concealed carry. Let’s be satisfied with that. The movement for open carry could weaken the public support for concealed carry.
    I thought I just open carried to compensate for my especially small penis, but now that I have seriously examined my thoughts for a period, I realize that I too do not want an opponent to know that I am his/her enemy. Instead of being friendly and OCing, my small penis really requires that I be sneaky, pensive and accusatory and think of myself as the enemy of any opponent rather than just, well, a guy who may be able to peacefully end a confrontation and walk away. Whew! Thanks for clearing that up. My obviously neglected ego and pride thank you as well as my especially small penis which was clearly NOT receiving the emotional nurishment it needed when I OC.
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    I, myself, would prefer that the administrators KEEP the image on the index page of the site (not that it was really going to be removed). The young lady displays the confident and self-assured attitude that all carriers should portray.

    I believe she portrays afine example of an armed American citizen. I suppose covering her with a parka might please some of the anti-OC crowd. Then again, that would not be open carrying, would it?

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    I am going to have to second that.

    Do we have a third to move the motion.

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    Good Lord, what next.

    Guess he'd hate to see the picture I have of my grandaughter when she was maybe 15 months old, with my Armalite M15A2 Carbine across her small lap, and shooting muffs on her little ears.

    In the final seconds of your life, just before your killer is about to dispatch you to that great eternal darkness, what would you rather have in your hand? A cell phone or a gun?

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    deepdiver wrote:
    ideator wrote:
    If I am in a situation where I might have to use it, I don’t want the opponent to know that I am his/her enemy.* This may give them the advantage.* I want to surprise him/her.

    Therefore, I think this whole open carry movement is a step backwards.* The prime reason most are interested in it is ego and pride.* Doubt that?* Seriously examine your thoughts for a period.* Those that don’t carry and those that are opposed to weapons are quick to see this and will use this as a prime motivation to defeat it.* We have a great asset in concealed carry.* Let’s be satisfied with that.* The movement for open carry could weaken the public support for concealed carry.
    I thought I just open carried to compensate for my especially small penis, but now that I have seriously examined my thoughts for a period, I realize that I too do not want an opponent to know that I am his/her enemy.* Instead of being friendly and OCing, my small penis really requires that I be sneaky, pensive and accusatory and think of myself as the enemy of any opponent rather than just, well, a guy who may be able to peacefully end a confrontation and walk away.* Whew!* Thanks for clearing that up.* My obviously neglected ego and pride thank you as well as my especially small penis which was clearly NOT receiving the emotional nurishment it needed when I OC.
    lol, Idiotor = pwnt

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    SouthernBoy wrote:
    Good Lord, what next.

    Guess he'd hate to see the picture I have of my grandaughter when she was maybe 15 months old, with my Armalite M15A2 Carbine across her small lap, and shooting muffs on her little ears.
    Although I can't answer directly for Ideator, I expect that it might depend on whether your granddaughter was "carrying" the carbine for self-defense or for her ego.

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    Is your desire for open carry for protection or for your ego?
    Speaking as a CC female, the answer is "yes".

    I'm pretty danged tired of having to choose and layer clothing for cc. I'd much rather choose the clothes, and then the carry, instead of the other way around.

    And I got over big, bulky purses with key locks and cabled straps real quick.

    I also wouldn't mind at all not having to practice springing my weapon as a *SURPRISE* on attackers. I'd far prefer they saw it up front and saved both of us the trouble.

    So, yes.


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    Agreed. There is nothing wrong with the very attractive, confident, don't %#$* with me, look. The answer is YES to all the above. Ego seems to be seen as a dirty word. Ego is only bad in excess, but without ego, there would be no self confidence.

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    uh.....what's an "ego"?

    I OC cuz I'm trying to bring back the spirit of the old Wild Wild West, a period in this country's history when people had grit, self-determination, resourcefulness, and were independant as hell.

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    I also wouldn't mind at all not having to practice springing my weapon as a *SURPRISE* on attackers. I'd far prefer they saw it up front and saved both of us the trouble.
    Amen sister! and Welcome to OCDO!!
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    VAopencarry wrote:
    I also wouldn't mind at all not having to practice springing my weapon as a *SURPRISE* on attackers. I'd far prefer they saw it up front and saved both of us the trouble.
    Amen sister! and Welcome to OCDO!!


    Ditto.


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    I also wouldn't mind at all not having to practice springing my weapon as a *SURPRISE* on attackers. I'd far prefer they saw it up front and saved both of us the trouble.

    Your reference to an "attacker" makes me think of a one-on-one, "deserted street" type of confrontation. However, the thought of a springing weapon "surprise" makes me think of a situation where others might be present.

    A bystander might see an additional weapon as an additional threat if it pops up unexpectedly. If they had seen it before, or noticed it was drawn from a visible holster, they might be less likely to challenge you or yell "gun!" as you are trying to sight in on the bad guy.

    This is probably a topic which should be under a tactics thread.

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    Is it ego? Yes it is. So what!! Is it pride? You're damn right it is!! Since I always look mean when I carry (when I smile, I look mean because I am missing teeth in my old age, so I can't help it). Are there some instances when I CC? Yes. When I go into urban area, I CC; when I am in the mall, I CC; when I am in a bank, I CC (I will OC on occasions if I am in Navy Federal); when it's cold outside, I CC. Are there some instances when I OC? Yes. When I do it to show people that it is legal to do so (in VA); when I want to show off my Beretta PX-4 Storm, 17 + 1 w/extended mag, .40 cal., trijicon night sights, with a nice Galco holster; when I am out and about, I hardly see anyone OCing; when I want tosee a reaction from people who has never seen a black man carry a weapon responsibly; when I want to spark a conversation about OCing; when it's hot outside. So, there you have it!!!

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    This is why I like reading the "Why Open Carry" threads. As Smurfologistdemonstrates, there are so many reasons to open carry that it cannot be addressed byeither/or questions.

    For ego or pride? No, I would say because of ego and pride. It seems that most who open carry already have enough self-esteem. I don't believe open carry necessarily adds to it. I do not think anyone with a markedly low levelof self-esteem could even bring themselves to openly carry without some sort of "official" authorization.

    For protection? The regular carry ofany weapon is predominantly based upon protection (with the exception of a few predators in society). The question is similar to asking if a luxury car is driven for transportation or for ego (I am not trying to bash ideator's thread topic/question.I like it for the thoughts it has generated).

    Smurfologistalso makes a great pointby admitting to wanting to "show off" a bit. Some of us might not ever purchase a luxury car. Many of us will never look as good as the cover girl ideatorwishes would disappear. Most of us, however, have made a significant purchase in our choice of sidearm. There is nothing wrong with wanting to display and strut a bit.

    Carry on...

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    I have to say. I dont carry for any reason other than Protection. I don't care what others think of me. Never have, never will. So carrying for Ego reasons is just not my style.

    I do it strictly for protection only.

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    I'm armed smirk..... More likely i'm safe, happy and not a statistic smile.

    What do you trolls suggest if the piece cannot be hidden, as when it is too
    hot to wear a trenchcoat.
    The simple solution to the cc/oc arguments, is do both and every situation
    will be covered. Need gun in a hurry, pull the OC, time to be sneaky, pull the cc piece.

    Maybe Texas should work on a discrimination angle.....
    Start a nudist colony, and then sue under discrimination when you aren't aloud
    to hide the gun. Or would a full holster qualify as hidden in this case?
    :celebrate:celebrate


    If you worry about bad guys OC'ing, then write your representatives, and
    get laws changed and keep bad guys locked up in prison.

    Or how about the gubment' leagalize custom weapons that look like cell phones,
    cigaretts, earrings. Then everyone can carry without alarming the sheep.
    I think they want the anti's scared so they will be able to go after the ones
    who understand what liberty is.


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    SlackwareRobert wrote:
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    What do you trolls suggest if the piece cannot be hidden, as when it is too
    hot to wear a trenchcoat.
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    A trenchcoat? Here you have me picturing the Terminator feeling a little self-conscious about openly carrying his autoloader 12 gauge.

    SlackwareRobert wrote:
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    Maybe Texas should work on a discrimination angle.....
    Start a nudist colony, and then sue under discrimination when you aren't aloud
    to hide the gun. Or would a full holster qualify as hidden in this case?
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    I like this angle. We can use the "equal protection" clause.

    Someone might even make a few bucks marketing pasty holsters for nudists who don't like the chafing of straps and belts.

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