I'm not aware of an "Open Carry Permit". We do, of course, have a CFP required in order to conceal and/or to carry your weapon fully loaded (breeched), which allows for you to be able to OC fully loaded. If no CFP, you are restricted to a full magazine only, with an empty breech. (Along with various others: School zones, etc)
They are talking about the concealed weapons permit.
Again, that restriction merely refers to fully loaded OC. you can have an "unloaded" gun in your car with you as long as it is in plain sight. Some have gone as far as mounting a holster on the dash to ensure it is in plain sight.
But every other OC state that requires you to have permit to carry in a car is an anomalous OC state on the map.:? The thing that it confusing is that Utah has a concealed firearms permit, and from what I have read on this forum if I want to open carry fully loaded I need a concealed carry permit:banghead:It just don't make any sense. I just need some one to spell it out for me.
Lol- imagine how rough it is for us! try this PDF out:
I'm at work and the site is blocked, but I'll check it when I get home, thanks.
OK, here it is...
1132 post of this same thing :lol: must be on auto copy :what: Miss ya man! :celebrateSheepdawg wrote:OK, here it is...
The founders of this website, the guys who made that open carry map, define "open carry" as the unlicensed, unrestricted carry of a loaded firearm in a vehicle or on foot. In Utah, a permit is needed to carry fully loaded, but no permit is needed to carry unloaded.
In Utah, we have one law that restricts us from carrying loaded firearms in vehicles or on public streets. A public street is not defined in this section, so some people play it safe and assume that it implies public in general.
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76-10-505. Carrying loaded firearm in vehicle or on street.
(1) Unless otherwise authorized by law, a person may not carry a loaded firearm:
(a) in or on a vehicle;
(b) on any public street; or
(c) in a posted prohibited area.
(2) A violation of this section is a class B misdemeanor. [/font]
Here is how Utah defines a loaded firearm. You can have a full magazine, just not a round chambered in the barrel.
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76-10-502. When weapon deemed loaded.
(1) For the purpose of this chapter, any pistol, revolver, shotgun, rifle, or other weapon described in this part shall be deemed to be loaded when there is an unexpended cartridge, shell, or projectile in the firing position.
(2) Pistols and revolvers shall also be deemed to be loaded when an unexpended cartridge, shell, or projectile is in a position whereby the manual operation of any mechanism once would cause the unexpended cartridge, shell, or projectile to be fired.
(3) A muzzle loading firearm shall be deemed to be loaded when it is capped or primed and has a powder charge and ball or shot in the barrel or cylinders. [/font]
Now note that in 76-10-505, the first line says "Unless otherwise authorized by law". If you read Utah law a little further, you will find that by having a permit to carry a concealed firearm (from any state) you are exempt from this restriction, and may carry a firearm fully loaded.
[font="Arial,Helvetica"] 76-10-523. Persons exempt from weapons laws.
(1) This part and Title 53, Chapter 5, Part 7, Concealed Weapon Act, do not apply to any of the following:
(a) a United States marshal;
(b) a federal official required to carry a firearm;
(c) a peace officer of this or any other jurisdiction;
(d) a law enforcement official as defined and qualified under Section 53-5-711;
(e) a judge as defined and qualified under Section 53-5-711;
(f) a common carrier while engaged in the regular and ordinary transport of firearms as merchandise; or
(g) a nonresident traveling in or through the state, provided that any firearm is:
(i) unloaded; and
(ii) securely encased as defined in Section 76-10-501.
(2) The provisions of Subsections 76-10-504(1)(a), (1)(b), and Section 76-10-505 do not apply to any person to whom a permit to carry a concealed firearm has been issued:
(a) pursuant to Section 53-5-704; or
(b) by another state or county. [/font]
Now the final part of this story is... There is no law in Utah that makes carrying a firearm openly unlawful. There is also no law in Utah that makes concealment a requirement of having a concealed firearm permit, so concealment is an option. Just like getting your drivers license. You are still allowed to walk, right?
Yes. To open carry a pistol, one must be at least 18 years of age. To open carry a long arm, one must be at least 14 years of age. No permit is required for unloaded open carry.
Almost the entire state of Utah is a carry zone! The places you can carry with or without a permit are nearly the same. The only difference is school zones. Without a permit, you must keep your firearm 1000 feet from a school zone. The places completely off limits are secure facilities, mental facilities, and the secure area of an airport. The non-secure side of the airport is fair game.
That depends on the location of the game. If the activity is held at in a school zone, you will need a permit. If the games are held anywhere else, then the permit is optional. Speaking of basketball, lets talk about places likeEnergy Solutions Arena. They have signs posted prohibiting weapons. There are nolegal repercussions in Utah if you choose to ignore the signs. However, if you are asked to leave and you refuse to do so, you could be charged with trespassing.
With a Utah Concealed Firearm permit, you cannot be restricted from carrying, openly or concealed, in or around a public school. Private schools, like BYU, can make any rules they want pertaining to firearms. Treat them the same as you would a business thathas posted a firearm prohibition.
Your tellin' us...Then again maybe that is the idea, Utah dosen't want its citizens knowing they can carry anyway they like once they have their permit
There is one issue however. Your Washington permit may not be valid for school zone carry. The federal is not clear enough on the issue, and you may want to obtain a Utah to avoid any hassle.They are easy to obtain, and fairly inexpensive.
