Equinox
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Thoughts? Experiences?
Thoughts? Experiences?
Well, since I have begun OC I have caught more attention from police than criminals. . .
I really, really hate to see this hypothetical anti-OC argument used even for illustrative purposes. It deserves only status as an urban legion.snip....... The 1% might be the bank robbers or whatever, who will shoot the armed guy first.
I think your 1% figure may be too high. I tried to find the post from a few months back of a OCer, who was known at his bank and by his teller,in lineto conduct business when a BG came in the door, saw the OC'ers weapon, turned and left.
+1As far as I'm concerned, a cop illegally detaining an OCer, unlawfully demandinghis/her ID, or threateningan OCeris committing an offense.
oklaccer wrote:I think your 1% figure may be too high. I tried to find the post from a few months back of a OCer, who was known at his bank and by his teller,in lineto conduct business when a BG came in the door, saw the OC'ers weapon, turned and left.
Try keywords Hopewell (the town), SunTrust (the bank), and December 26th.
It may have got lost when the forum was moved to another server. Seems to me we lost a fair amount of stuff.
There is a chance its still on the VCDL website.
Here is the Suntrust OC deterent event as reported by VCDL
http://www2.vcdl.org/webapps/vcdl/vadetail.html?RECID=1022854
The primary problem with such non-events is that they are largely lacking in follow- up data i.e. no crime, no arrest, just peaceful existance .
Yata hey
That's the problem with you TF16 - you make too much sense.Grapeshot wrote:Here is the Suntrust OC deterent event as reported by VCDL
http://www2.vcdl.org/webapps/vcdl/vadetail.html?RECID=1022854
The primary problem with such non-events is that they are largely lacking in follow- up data i.e. no crime, no arrest, just peaceful existance .
Yata hey
It seems to me that it would behove all businesses to report any suspecious behaviour like this to the authotities immediately. It would alert LE of possible pending criminal activities in the area. And who knows, it might result in an arrest of the BG, if a good desciption (what he was wearing) of the perp is given.
Not to mention that there is still a radical foriegn element that desires to cause large scale death and destrution to our country. We shouldn't rely too heavily on Homeland Security and it's associated agencies for our protection.
I'm sorry.I can't help myself. It's an impulse thing, ya know.That's the problem with you TS16 - you make too much sense.
Yeah! It is knee-jerk reactions and thinking like that that help this movement and that can't be tolerated!I'm sorry.I can't help myself. It's an impulse thing, ya know.That's the problem with you TS16 - you make too much sense.
This is true, and I think a lot of it is situational awareness. A big part of it though is the fact that the armored car is a known target. How often do YOU carry around hundreds of thousands of dollars in your car or on your person? I know I sure don't. A criminal sees an armored car, he KNOWS there is going to be plenty of reward for pulling off a holdup, and can plan around doing so, getting help, and now it's not the opportunistic criminal you're dealing with here, but a determined criminal with a plan of action, etc. Take an OCing individual that will not be a target for this type of criminal, but the type that preys on the weak and unaware individual. Who knows if this guy even is carrying any cash on him at all? Is it worth it to get into a gun battle with this person for a high possibility of no reward at all? Probably not.It's hard to document something that DIDN'T happen. Just like with all the condemnation President Bush has received for invading Iraq- we'll never know what chain of events might have unfolded during the last 5 years - had we NOT gone in there.
Criminals will ALWAYS by their nature either avoid any possible threat, or employ tactics designed to surprise, out-manuever, or overwhelm any potential threat. I am reflecting on the frequency of armored car robberies recently , and apparently ongoing throughout our modern history.
That having been said - consider the apparent lack of much deterent against bank robberies. Perhaps the armored transport industry is pretty much "asleep" at the wheel. I don't know - but that occupation is getting very dangerous of late. The problem may be those securely holstered weapons can be overcome by sheer surprise and audacity. I guess this is something WE OC'ers should keep up front in our minds.
America might have recovered from Clinton instead of furthering his legacy of monarchial executive power grabs, corruption, and general chicanery?It's hard to document something that DIDN'T happen. Just like with all the condemnation President Bush has received for invading Iraq- we'll never know what chain of events might have unfolded during the last 5 years - had we NOT gone in there.
+1SANDCREEK wrote:
America might have recovered from Clinton instead of furthering his legacy of monarchial executive power grabs, corruption, and general chicanery?It's hard to document something that DIDN'T happen. Just like with all the condemnation President Bush has received for invading Iraq- we'll never know what chain of events might have unfolded during the last 5 years - had we NOT gone in there.
Edit: No, wait, sorry, that could have happened is if the American people had elected Harry Browne in 2000. I didn't intend to give Bush undue credit.