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    http://www.doi.gov/issues/Final%20Rule.pdf

    Looks like concealed carry will soon be legal with CPL.

    Also many question will arise about "printing"

    open carry, shot guns for self defence ETC.



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    It's legal now it would seem. It appears to apply only to handguns, not long guns. OC is still somewhat ambiguous....

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    Sweet! Score one for the good guys! Sorta.

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    What happened to the other post? The one with the Times article in it?

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    thats a good question. i started that thread. i'd like to know why it was deleted too. anyone care to fill me in?

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    MadHatter66 wrote:
    What happened to the other post? The one with the Times article in it?
    you got blended with this post, not deleted:
    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum4/19233-2.html

    edit: I guessing if you make your post to "general" they will get moved, I'd suggest trying to make them as much pertain to Washington as much as possible.

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    Mainsail wrote:
    It's legal now it would seem. It appears to apply only to handguns, not long guns. OC is still somewhat ambiguous....
    I don't read it to be restricting of OC as long as you hold a CPL. They talk about brandishing being a reason to check for poaching but brandishing is not simple OC in a holster.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    I see nothing in here that would prevent open carry, so long as it is allowed by law. I read it twice, any comments? I know it says concealed several times, but it it has no penalties for open carry, does not reference open carry, does not mandate "covering up" a weapon if you have a CPL, gives no authority to Park rangers to mandate Concealing, does not state what the definition of "concealed" is, (for example, in some states a flap holster is "concealed") and the issue of long guns is not addressed as a concealed vs unconcealed but as a regulation that will be dealt with in the future. I can's see a park ranger getting torqued if you have a colt Army on your hip vs a glock under your shirt.

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    I read it as open carryis prohibited. You have to take the whole law in context.

    The original priohibition remains in place. All they did was add a clause that provides for an EXCEPTION for Concealed Carry if it's legal by state law.

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    I read it to say that they are allowing people that are licensed in that state to carry a concealed pistol the ability to carry. They make no mention that you cannot OC nor do they require it to be concealed. They only require you to have been licensed by the state that the area of the park resides in.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    joeroket wrote:
    I read it to say that they are allowing people that are licensed in that state to carry a concealed pistol the ability to carry. They make no mention that you cannot OC nor do they require it to be concealed. They only require you to have been licensed by the state that the area of the park resides in.
    That is because you are only reading the amendment. You must read the law in it's entirity. Take the law as it exists now... ALL firearms are prohibited unless broken down and unloaded, and then add this amendment - anexception for Concealed Carry

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    It mentions specifically "loaded AND concealed firearms...". Seems pretty straightforward to me.


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    A person may possess, carry and transport concealed, loaded and operable firearms within a national park area in the same manner and to the same extent that a person may lawfully possess carry and transport concealed loaded and operable firearms in the state in which the federal park or that part thereof is located. Except as otherwise prohibited by applicable federal law.

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    Right Wing Wacko wrote:
    joeroket wrote:
    I read it to say that they are allowing people that are licensed in that state to carry a concealed pistol the ability to carry. They make no mention that you cannot OC nor do they require it to be concealed. They only require you to have been licensed by the state that the area of the park resides in.
    That is because you are only reading the amendment. You must read the law in it's entirity. Take the law as it exists now... ALL firearms are prohibited unless broken down and unloaded, and then add this amendment - anexception for Concealed Carry
    Ahhh gotcha.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

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    I'm confused. I've never had a problem carrying, or discharging firearms in the Snoqualmie National Forest for the past 5 years. I even carry around the FAQ (which has changed slightly, they added the washington state website) in my gun bag.

    "What are the fishing, hunting, and firearm regulations in the Mt. Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest? The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife regulates hunting and fishing activities even on National Forest land. Find the rules and regulations on the Washington State website.
    Firearms: Firing a gun is not allowed: a) In or within 150 yards of a residence, building, campsite, developed recreation site, or occupied area b) Across or on a road or body of water c) In any circumstance whereby a person may be injured or property damaged. [top]"

    Am I missing something? It seems to be pretty clear that discharging (and I assumed carrying) firearms is perfectly legal with the exceptions noted above?


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    diesel556 wrote:
    I'm confused. I've never had a problem carrying, or discharging firearms in the Snoqualmie National Forest for the past 5 years. I even carry around the FAQ (which has changed slightly, they added the washington state website) in my gun bag.

    "What are the fishing, hunting, and firearm regulations in the Mt. Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest? The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife regulates hunting and fishing activities even on National Forest land. Find the rules and regulations on the Washington State website.
    Firearms: Firing a gun is not allowed: a) In or within 150 yards of a residence, building, campsite, developed recreation site, or occupied area b) Across or on a road or body of water c) In any circumstance whereby a person may be injured or property damaged. [top]"

    Am I missing something? It seems to be pretty clear that discharging (and I assumed carrying) firearms is perfectly legal with the exceptions noted above?
    You are talking about a Nat'l Forest which has different rules than a Natl' Park. Firearms have been unlawful in Nat'l Parks since, I think, 1976.
    "A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

    "though I walk through the valley in the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for I know that you are by my side" Glock 23:40

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    Ahhhh. Thank you.

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    "If you can carry (a gun) on Main Street, you are allowed to carry in a national park," said Chris Paolino. a spokesman for the Interior Department.
    Can it get any simpler ?




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