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Thread: National Parks Firearm Ban Repealed for CHP holders

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    Interior Announces Final Firearms Policy Update

    WASHINGTON, D.C. – Assistant Secretary of the Interior for Fish and Wildlife and Parks Lyle Laverty today announced that the Department of the Interior has finalized updated regulations governing the possession of firearms in national parks and wildlife refuges. The final rule, which updates existing regulations, would allow an individual to carry a concealed weapon in national parks and wildlife refuges if, and only if, the individual is authorized to carry a concealed weapon under state law in the state in which the national park or refuge is located. The update has been submitted to the Federal Register for publication and is available to the public on
    http://www.doi.gov.

    Existing regulations regarding the carrying of firearms remain otherwise unchanged, particularly limitations on poaching and target practice and prohibitions on carrying firearms in federal buildings.

    “America was founded on the idea that the federal and state governments work together to serve the public and preserve our natural resources,” Laverty said. “The Department’s final regulation respects this tradition by allowing individuals to carry concealed firearms in federal park units and refuges to the extent that they could lawfully do so under state law. This is the same basic approach adopted by the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) and the United States Forest Service (USFS), both of which allow visitors to carry weapons consistent with applicable federal and state laws.”

    On February 22, 2008, Interior Secretary Kempthorne responded to letters from 51 Senators, both Democrats and Republicans, as well as from the Chairman and Ranking Member of the House Natural Resources Committee, urging him to update existing regulations that prohibit the carrying of firearms in national parks and wildlife refuges. In his response, the Secretary directed Assistant Secretary for Fish and Wildlife and Parks Lyle Laverty “to develop and propose for public comment by April 30 Federal regulations that will update firearms policies on these lands to reflect existing Federal laws (such as those prohibiting weapons in Federal buildings) and the laws by which the host states govern transporting and carrying of firearms on their analogous public lands.”

    Changes in the final regulations from those originally proposed in April were developed as the result of public comments. In particular, comments expressed concern about the feasibility of implementing regulations which directly linked the carrying of concealed firearms in national parks and wildlife refuges to the ability of an individual to carry a concealed firearm on analogous state lands. The final regulations remove that potential logistical hurdle.

    The existing regulations, as currently in effect, were adopted in 1981 for national wildlife refuges and in 1983 for national parks. Since that time many states have enacted new firearms policies. Currently, 48 states have passed legislation allowing for the lawful possession of concealed weapons.

    “The Department believes that in managing parks and refuges we should, as appropriate, make every effort to give the greatest respect to the democratic judgments of State legislatures with respect to concealed firearms,” said Laverty. “Federal agencies have a responsibility to recognize the expertise of the States in this area, and federal regulations should be developed and implemented in a manner that respects state prerogatives and authority.”

    I do not know if this law will allow NC CHP holders to carry in the National Parks in NC since this is the NC State Parks official stance on firearms:
    Are firearms allowed in a state park?
    All deadly weapons, including firearms, airguns, bows and arrows, sling shots, or lethal missiles of any kind, or other deadly weapon is strictly prohibited in all areas owned or operated by the NC Division of Parks and Recreation except for commissioned park rangers and other authorized personnel. Cap pistols and fireworks are also prohibited.
    This is only a regulation so people who have a CHP recognized in NC may well be able to carry a firearm in a national park legally.

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    Looks to me like you can have it on the road or in your possession; just not in a visitor center or any other federal building within the park boundary.It would still be your duty in North Carolina to notify the ranger at a traffic stop/checkpoint if you are carrying concealed, that you have a concealed handgun permit and a concealed handgun. I work for a national park here in North Carolina and I am very happy with the ruling. When the comment period was open, I sent in my 2 cents and stated that from experience as a seasonal LEO, it is a very good idea. Crimes are commited on NPS land everyday but now, the bad guys know that there is a possibility ANYBODY could be carrying concealed. Not sure if we will ever be able to OC on NPS land but this new ruling at least gives us a starting point!

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    I for one am glad to see it.

    I travel to our State parks quite often. Especially the Blue Ridge on my motorcycle.

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    I for one am glad to see it.

    I travel to our State parks quite often. Especially the Blue Ridge on my motorcycle.


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    This law does not effect State Parks at all.

    But from reading through it does allow carry in National Parks in NC. As it was originally written it would not have. But they received enough comments to change that part.

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    NC wildlife board is proposing these changes to laws http://www.ncwildlife.org/ProposedRegulations/Main.aspx (more details on changes at these two links http://www.ncwildlife.org/ProposedRe...gs10-29-08.pdf and http://www.ncwildlife.org/ProposedRe...icHearings.pdf .)
    If you look at proposal H29 Game Lands it reads Remove restrictions on the types of firearms allowed on game lands during open hunting seasons but while big game seasons are closed. With a explanation for the change reading Currently it is illegal to possess on game lands a shotgun shell containing larger than No. 4 shot or any rifle or pistol larger than a .22 caliber rimfire during the closed big game firearms seasons. This regulation would eliminate those restrictions and open up opportunity to hunters.
    I think we have to the end of this month(Jan 2009) to reply back to their proposes on what we think about them(the first link has the reply links(the second and third link explain and give full details of proposed changes.))


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    JonathanH wrote: Snip
    This regulation would eliminate those restrictions and open up opportunity to hunters.

    If the restriction is only during (Closed)Big Game seasons, what other opportunity does it open for hunters to eliminate the restriction ?

    Granted, I think we should be able to carry whatever we want wherever and whenever. I still would like to be able to carry my .40 cal during squirrel season in Jan for self protection...but that has nothing to do with hunting oportunities. I won't be shooting squirrels with my .40. But, I should have the right to carry it.

    Maybe, I just don't understand your statement.

    I am an avid hunter and all of you that are should go to the website and voice your opinions.

    Thanks

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    TFED12 that wasn't me stating that but me quoting the website. Personally I didn't like how the site gave the proposal then explanation. It left a lot up to the reader with how they worded some of them.

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    Yep...it's nation-wide. I work for a national park here in North Carolina and also have a CC permit. I was talking to our interpretive specialist yesterday and was told that the signs were being ordered for our buildings and visitor centers...so it's the real thing :-)

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    title of thread is incorrect - the new reg allows concealed carry in NationalParksif not prohibited in that state - many states allow concealed carry without a permit in vehicles, and 2 states allow completely (AK and VT).

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