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    This is short notice alert. The agenda was just put on the web this morning.

    Tomorrow (Tuesday, December 9), the Spotsylvania County Board of
    Supervisors will hold a public hearing to remove the CHP fingerprint
    requirement. It's the second to last item on the agenda (see
    http://tinyurl.com/5pxdzq ). The public hearing portion of the meeting starts at 6:30PM.

    Unfortunately, I cannot attend the public hearing due to a prior
    commitment. If there are any other Spotsy residents on here, please try to attend.


    Edit: This is in Spotsylvania County, Virginia.
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    From the Executive Summary at the link provided, we find:

    Summary: Va. Code Ann. §18.2-308 (1950, as amended) requires that persons applying for concealed handgun permits submit fingerprints as part of their application, if the locality has an ordinance that requires it. Pursuant to Section 2-12 of the Spotsylvania County Code, the County currently has an ordinance that requires fingerprints be submitted. Staff recommends that the current requirement contained in Section 2-12 be repealed, since the majority of the fee the County can charge by statute is paid to the FBI for examination of the fingerprints. In addition, staff supports the repeal of the requirement because this ordinance has not prevented anyone from acquiring a concealed handgun permit. The County will also save money by not having to pay a deputy two Saturdays a month to do fingerprints.
    Common sense... Wow.

    I would count on the Free Lance-Star being there.

    TFred

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    Let's go guys - a lot of us are spread thin - if you are from Spotsy. County, please go and speak briefly in favor - very important so we can bootstrap this to other jurisdictions - only about 27% of localities CHOOSE to waste money and fingerprint.

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    Early morning coverage in the Free Lance-Star:

    http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2...2092008/430206

    PVC is quoted!

    TFred


    Weapon permit rules may change
    December 9, 2008 12:35 am

    By DAN TELVOCK

    Spotsylvania County residents may soon be able to obtain concealed-handgun permits without having to submit fingerprints.

    Tonight, the Board of Supervisors will consider removing the fingerprinting requirement from the concealed-handgun permit ordinance. According to a county staff report, the national background check has never prevented a person from acquiring a permit.

    A public hearing on the proposal is scheduled for tonight at the Holbert Building on Courthouse Road. Public hearings begin at 6:30 p.m.

    The state allows localities to add fingerprinting into local ordinances as an extra step before anyone can obtain a permit. The fingerprints are sent to Virginia State Police, who forward the applications to the Federal Bureau of Investigations for a national background check.

    Philip Van Cleave, president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League, said fingerprints are an unnecessary burden on law-enforcement agencies that process the applications.

    "The State Police has already made it clear that [fingerprints] are not required to do a thorough background check," he said.

    Supervisors are considering removing the clause because most of the local fee goes to pay the $24 cost of each national background check. By law, the fee local law-enforcement agencies can charge for the background check cannot exceed $35, and the total for processing an application cannot exceed $50.

    Spotsylvania Sheriff's Office Maj. Michael Timm said the county won't have to pay a deputy two Saturdays a month to perform the fingerprinting. There has been a spike in permits this year, he said.

    "It just alleviates the burden of us having to do all of that fingerprinting," he said. "We just about have to devote someone to that full time."

    Dan Telvock: 540/374-5438
    Email: dtelvock@freelancestar.com

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    SPOTSYLVANIA PERMITS

    2005: 578

    2006: 601

    2007: 527

    2008: 785

    THE LAW IN OTHER AREA LOCALITIES REQUIRE PRINTS: Caroline, Fauquier, Louisa, Westmoreland, Fredericksburg
    DON'T REQUIRE PRINTS: Stafford, King George, Culpeper, Orange



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    NRA-ILA has picked it up and just sent an email alert:


    http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=4256

    Virginia: Spotsylvania County to Consider Simplifying Right-to-Carry Permit Process Tonight!

    Tuesday, December 09, 2008


    Please Stand-Up and Make Your Voices Heard!

    Tonight, the Spotsylvania County Board of Supervisors will consider removing the fingerprinting stage of requirements to obtain a Right-to-Carry permit. This will help ensure an easier path for law-abiding citizens to acquire a permit to carry a concealed handgun for self-defense.

    In a recent county staff report, the background check has never prevented a person in Spotsylvania from acquiring a permit. Not only will removal of this clause make things easier for the applicants, but it will also ease the burden on the County Sheriff due to the dramatic spike in permit applications this year.

    Tonight’s meeting will be held at 6:30 p.m. in the Richard E. Holbert Building located at 9104 Courthouse Road in Spotsylvania.

    Please attend tonight’s hearing and respectfully urge the County Board of Supervisors to remove the fingerprinting requirement. If you are unable to attend, please contact the Board of Supervisors to voice your disapproval with the fingerprinting requirement. Contact information can be found below.

    Hap Connors
    Chancellor District
    540-548-4813
    hconnors@spotsylvania.va.us

    Jerry Logan
    Courtland District
    540-786-9753
    jlogan@spotsylvania.va.us

    Gary Jackson
    Salem District
    540-785-0585
    gaj@spotsylvania.va.us

    Emmitt Marshall
    Berkeley District
    540-582-5381
    spotsyebm@aol.com

    Gary Skinner
    Lee Hill District
    540-891-6610
    gskinner@spotsylvania.va.us

    Benjamin Pitts
    Battlefield District
    540-898-4335
    bpitts@spotsylvania.va.us

    T.C. Waddy
    Livingston District
    540-854-4043
    spotsytcw@aol.com

    Randy Wheeler
    County Administrator
    540-507-7010
    cadmin@spotsylvania.va.us
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    Just heard this on the news on WMAL... supposedly the request was submitted by Sheriff Smith, who was quoted as saying it was an unnecessary expense that didn't contribute to safety.

    One more domino...

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    I'll let Sheriff Smith take the credit but I know where it really came from (see page 10).
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    The Spotsy BOS voted unanimously to remove the fingerprinting requirement.
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    rlh2005 wrote:
    I'll let Sheriff Smith take the credit but I know where it really came from (see page 10).
    Amusing read... the wording of that proposal was incorrect:

    "to consider bringing the County Code into compliance with amendments to State law no longer requiring fingerprinting for the renewal of an existing permit."

    As if they had a choice... to not do so would have left an illegal law on the books!

    TFred

    PS: This was from November 2007, in case you are just skimming!

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    Great - hopefully folks around VA get to work and get their boards to repeal optional fingerprinting.

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    Weapon permit rules may change

    Spotsylvania County supervisors will consider removing fingerprint
    requirement for those seeking concealed weapons permits

    Date published: 12/9/2008

    By DAN TELVOCK

    Spotsylvania County residents may soon be able to obtain concealed-
    handgun permits without having to submit fingerprints.

    Tonight, the Board of Supervisors will consider removing the
    fingerprinting requirement from the concealed-handgun permit
    ordinance. According to a county staff report, the national background
    check has never prevented a person from acquiring a permit.

    A public hearing on the proposal is scheduled for tonight at the
    Holbert Building on Courthouse Road. Public hearings begin at 6:30 p.m.

    The state allows localities to add fingerprinting into local
    ordinances as an extra step before anyone can obtain a permit. The
    fingerprints are sent to Virginia State Police, who forward the
    applications to the Federal Bureau of Investigations for a national
    background check.

    Philip Van Cleave, president of the Virginia Citizens Defense League,
    said fingerprints are an unnecessary burden on law-enforcement
    agencies that process the applications.

    "The State Police has already made it clear that [fingerprints] are
    not required to do a thorough background check," he said.

    Supervisors are considering removing the clause because most of the
    local fee goes to pay the $24 cost of each national background check.
    By law, the fee local law-enforcement agencies can charge for the
    background check cannot exceed $35, and the total for processing an
    application cannot exceed $50.

    Spotsylvania Sheriff's Office Maj. Michael Timm said the county won't
    have to pay a deputy two Saturdays a month to perform the
    fingerprinting. There has been a spike in permits this year, he said.

    "It just alleviates the burden of us having to do all of that
    fingerprinting," he said. "We just about have to devote someone to
    that full time."

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