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    Are black powder firearms defined to be guns in DC or do they follow the federal definition? if So is it legal to possess them if your not a DC resident?

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    A black powder antique firearm or a replica thereof which does not shoot commercially available ammo is not a firearm under DC law.

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    so could you legally carry a black powder pistol for protection then?

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    Yes. But, DC police would undoubtedly arrest you nonetheless on some trumped up charge

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    would it be illegal to conceal a black powder firearm?

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    ianto94 wrote:
    A black powder antique firearm or a replica thereof which does not shoot commercially available ammo is not a firearm under DC law.
    percussion caps, powder, and bullets are commercially available for blackpowder firearms. I think it is meant that the guns are not functional, incapable of shooting.

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    That is not what the law says.

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    Antique firearm is categorically excluded. It is the replica which cannot use commercially available ammo.

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    anyone have a link to the code(s)??

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    § 7-2501.01. Definitions [Formerly § 6-2302].




    (3) "Antique firearm" means:

    Any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898;

    Any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica:

    Is not designed or redesigned for using rim-fire or conventional center-fire fixed ammunition; or

    Uses rim-fire or conventional ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade.

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    So is there any DC law against open carry of a replica Navy 1861 cap & ball pistol?
    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

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    Not as long as they do not classify it as a firearm. But expect to be arrested anyway. This is a fascist jurisdiction.

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    I'll keep that in mind.If I ever end up in D.C. I'll have to buy a Remington model 1858 or two.

    Are there other weapons laws that would make it illegal perhaps?

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    DC ST § 22-4517
    Formerly cited as DC ST 1981 § 22-3217






    Currentness





    Division IV. Criminal Law and Procedure and Prisoners.






    Title 22. Criminal Offenses and Penalties. (Refs & Annos)






    Subtitle VI. Regulation and Possession of Weapons.






    Chapter 45. Weapons and Possession of Weapons. (Refs & Annos)






    § 22-4517. Dangerous articles; definition; taking and destruction; procedure.








    firearms style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"firearms style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffff00"
    (b) A dangerous article unlawfully owned, possessed, or carried is hereby declared to be a nuisance.


    (c) When a police officer, in the course of a lawful arrest or lawful search, or when a designated civilian employee of the Metropolitan Police Department in the course of a lawful search, discovers a dangerous article which the officer reasonably believes is a nuisance under subsection (b) of this section the officer shall take it into his or her possession and surrender it to the Property Clerk of the Metropolitan Police Department.


    (d)(1) Within 30 days after the date of such surrender, any person may file in the office of the Property Clerk of the Metropolitan Police Department a written claim for possession of such dangerous article. Upon the expiration of such period, the Property Clerk shall notify each such claimant, by registered mail addressed to the address shown on the claim, of the time and place of a hearing to determine which claimant, if any, is entitled to possession of such dangerous article. Such hearing shall be held within 60 days after the date of such surrender.






    (2) At the hearing the Property Clerk shall hear and receive evidence with respect to the claims filed under paragraph (1) of this subsection. Thereafter he or she shall determine which claimant, if any, is entitled to possession of such dangerous article and shall reduce his or her decision to writing. The Property Clerk shall send a true copy of such written decision to each claimant by registered mail addressed to the last known address of such claimant.






    (3) Any claimant may, within 30 days after the day on which the copy of such decision was mailed to such claimant, file an appeal in the Superior Court of the District of Columbia. If the claimant files an appeal, he or she shall at the same time give written notice thereof to the Property Clerk. If the decision of the Property Clerk is so appealed, the Property Clerk shall not dispose of the dangerous article while such appeal is pending and, if the final judgment is entered by such court, he or she shall dispose of such dangerous article in accordance with the judgment of such court. The Superior Court of the District of Columbia is authorized to determine which claimant, if any, is entitled to possession of the dangerous article and to enter a judgment ordering a disposition of such dangerous article consistent with subsection (f) of this section.






    (4) If there is no such appeal, or if such appeal is dismissed or withdrawn, the Property Clerk shall dispose of such dangerous article in accordance with subsection (f) of this section.






    (5) The Property Clerk shall make no disposition of a dangerous article under this section, whether in accordance with his or her own decision or in accordance with the judgment of the Superior Court of the District of Columbia, until the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia certifies to the Property Clerk that such dangerous article will not be needed as evidence.


    (e) A person claiming a dangerous article shall be entitled to its possession only if: (1) such person shows, on satisfactory evidence, that such person is the owner of the dangerous article or is the accredited representative of the owner, and that the ownership is lawful; (2) such person shows on satisfactory evidence that at the time the dangerous article was taken into possession by a police officer or a designated civilian employee of the Metropolitan Police Department, it was not unlawfully owned and was not unlawfully possessed or carried by the claimant or with his or her knowledge or consent; and (3) the receipt of possession by the claimant does not cause the article to be a nuisance. A representative is accredited if such person has a power of attorney from the owner.


    (f) If a person claiming a dangerous article is entitled to its possession as determined under subsections (d) and (e) of this section, possession of such dangerous article shall be given to such person. If no person so claiming is entitled to its possession as determined under subsections (d) and (e) of this section, or if there be no claimant, such dangerous article shall be destroyed. In lieu of such destruction, any such serviceable dangerous article may, upon order of the Mayor of the District of Columbia, be transferred to and used by any federal or District Government law-enforcing agency, and the agency receiving same shall establish property responsibility and records of these dangerous articles.


    (g) The Property Clerk shall not be liable in damages for any action performed in good faith under this section.

    CREDIT(S)

    (July 8, 1932, ch. 465, § 18; Feb. 20, 1952, 66 Stat. 8, ch. 47, § 1; July 29, 1970, 84 Stat. 570, Pub. L. 91-358, title I, § 155(a); May 21, 1994, D.C. Law 10-119, § 15(m), 41 DCR 1639; June 12, 1999, D.C. Law 12-284, § 7, 46 DCR 1328.)

    HISTORICAL AND STATUTORY NOTES

    Prior Codifications

    1981 Ed., § 22-3217.

    1973 Ed., § 22-3217.

    He wore his gun outside his pants for all the honest world to see. Pancho & Lefty

    The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us....There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! ...The war is inevitableand let it come! I repeat it, Sir, let it come . PATRICK HENRY speech 1776

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