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    So, I noticed somewhere on the forum, somebody mentioned that as a LEO, you can get a 50 state concealed carry license, and I guess it's free, but it seeems that the only perk you get by being military is free CCW classes.



    WTF? Is it just me or does this seem kind of ridiculous?

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    thx997303 wrote:
    ... WTF? Is it just me or does this seem kind of ridiculous?..
    I think that may depend on which agency you think gets more firearms handling training/experience. Whom ever wins that debate: i think should be the one who gets the 50 state free CCW.

    ACTUALLY, I think the 2A should cover that...but it don't.

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    It is not a permit, it is a law.

    Congress passed a law in 2004 allowing current and retired law enforcement officers to carry concealed firearms in any state.

    The good? LEO's can carry without a permit in any state.

    The bad? You and I cannot. They should have called the legislation "The People's Safety Act" and included everyone, not just cops.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_Enf...ers_Safety_Act

    http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/ht...6---B000-.html
    "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein

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    pitythefools wrote:
    how many freeks are in the military? Going crazy with PTSD? you want them to carry guns in your city streets? The untrained are enough of a problem.




    You are an @#$%.

    Please point out as well the untrained problem. When you spout bull@#$% you need to at least try and back it up.

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    pitythefools wrote:
    opinions vary.




    Too bad your as bad as any anti by spouting BS and being a idiot to those who serve. You are truely offensive.



    Again how about some facts? Oh dont have any? Didnt think so.

    Go pound sand.

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    Fool,

    As a serviceman I take great offense to your comments. In my 24 years of military service I have seen very few who had mental disorders or PTSD. What you have seen is the media putting a magnifying glass on a very small percentage. Should we deny you your right to bear arms based on your irrational and ignorant comments here?

    9mm and the rest of you,

    Few in the military ever touch a pistol and even fewer receive any significant handgun training. But like SGT Jensen said, we should all have the right.

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    pitythefools wrote:
    anti what?

    oh and "WOW"

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    Facts? Again I ask for facts to back up your post. Put up or shut up.

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    pitythefools wrote:
    how many freeks are in the military? Going crazy with PTSD? you want them to carry guns in your city streets? The untrained are enough of a problem.
    I am a "freek" in the military, and no, I do not take offense. I have seen some people that even after 20 years in the military, they still cannot handle a rifle properly. I hear comments all the time about it. "I hope I don't have to go to war with him/her!" I have even seen negligent discharges, that thankfully did not result in injuries.

    Do I criticize them? No. Will I criticize them? No. Should we help them? YES!

    I have a unique stance with regards to the second amendment, and most will view it as flawed. The amendment states "shall NOT be infringed." It dosen't have anyclauses for disarmingveterans with PTSD,people who areuntrained, or convicted felons. It is my opinion that if somebody wishes to arm themselves, that is their right to do so.

    Remember, there are idiots driving next to you every day with some form of "stress disorder" or that are not "trained enough" to fly past you at 80 MPH. These are the people that you should be concerned about. They are more likely to kill you than some dumbass with a gun.

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    anti what?
    If you are not willing to be part of the solution, then you sir,are part of the problem.
    "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein

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    thx997303 wrote:
    So, I noticed somewhere on the forum, somebody mentioned that as a LEO, you can get a 50 state concealed carry license, and I guess it's free, but it seeems that the only perk you get by being military is free CCW classes.



    WTF? Is it just me or does this seem kind of ridiculous?
    did you join the military for free CCW classes?


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    thoughtpolice wrote:
    They also didnt have "felons", but I have no issue with their restrictions at all.
    There are many felons that have been disarmed that don't deserve to be. One example is Martha Stewart. She was conviced of four felonies, none of them violent in nature. While I don't agree with her actions or political stance, it troubles me that she (and others like her)can no longer own a firearm, or even vote in an election.

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    Oh, and thanks for serving, I appreciate it even if noone else does anymore.
    You're welcome. Iam honoredto serve. Thank you for being supportive.
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    NavyLT wrote:
    If it wasn't for us freeks in the military, even those with PTSD, you wouldn't have your 1st ammendment right to speak your B.S.
    I think it's pretty safe to assume that political activists, many of whom have never evenworn a military uniform, have done more for free speech than you or I ever have or could. I've been in the service for seven years now, and have seen very few servicemembers "fight for our rights".
    "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein

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    thoughtpolice wrote:
    I, for one, am glad that she doesnt own a gun. Personal hatred for her, Oprah, and any other pompous, arrogant hag.
    So you only believe in rights for people that you like and approve of?
    Thingsmust evolve with new technology and knowledge.
    So do you believe in "the Constitution is a living document" argument? Or do you think that we should stick with the framers intent and use the methods that they put in place to change the Constitution when needed?



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    thoughtpolice wrote:
    you didnt address what else I said. Mental illness was not understand at that time.
    Neither were "assault weapons" but we fight for our rights to keep them.

    Would you want these individuals stripped of their rights to free speech, or freedom of religion? How about their right against unlawful search and seizure. Their right to remain silent? Their right to vote?

    I stand by my previous post. Let the people keep their arms if they wish.

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    Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth.
    "An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." Robert A. Heinlein

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    pitythefools wrote:
    were all allowed OUR opinions.

    KMA




    That much is true. Except when you state opinion as fact then you need to back it up. Again facts? You might as well be part of the brady center.



    Oh and I wont be so nice as to spell.

    KISS MY ASS

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    thoughtpolice wrote:
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    you didnt address what else I said. Mental illness was not understand at that time.
    Neither were "assault weapons" but we fight for our rights to keep them.

    Would you want these individuals stripped of their rights to free speech, or freedom of religion? How about their right against unlawful search and seizure. Their right to remain silent? Their right to vote?

    I stand by my previous post. Let the people keep their arms if they wish.

    Doug Huffman wrote:
    Either we are equal or we are not. Good people ought to be armed where they will, with wits and guns and the truth.
    Well, no.I love those rights too. But felons losesome of those rights too, Im good with it. Im not saying I dont think we should have guns, but its ignorance to think that someone with schizo-effective disorderthat exhibitsviolent tendencies should have a gun. Thats just common sense to me. I do believe good peopleshould be armed. Thats a sliding scale..... Why is it on this site a different opinion is a bad thing? Dont you think we can all learn from eachother, regardless of opinion?
    Yes - I feel there is ALWAYS room for improvement and learning, as a whole. Now, to get to the meat:

    ThoughtPolice, UNFORTUNATELY, you make a valid point. Mentioning things like the "Wagon" and new insights to mental illness being connected to biometrics rather than what a bad voo-doo chicken you ate after securing the cannons under the deck... NO i don't believe the constitution should be re-written. The POINT, is: THAT is how the founding fathers wanted it, period. constitution rules. People like you, thoughtpolice, came in and saw all these fundamental issues and began re working the constitution, instead of moving to Canada.

    "Agree with the Constitution, or be gone!" ???, No, just show some respect for the rules of the land that you currently reside in, don't' try to change them like very law maker has tried to. it pisses everyone off who is trying to live the way the founders intended us to.

    Very similar to entering my father-in-laws home. i don't believe in praying before a meal, but instead of voicing WHY i feel its dumb or a waste of time, i RESPECTFULLY bow my head and zip-my lip. Why? because i am in HIS home.

    This is America. The Right to bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed.

    Pitythefools: (looks like you got it, below post)
    SARGE: Thank You.


    PS- nice to see you posting again TP, your the man. Even IF your .45 cal is ONLY an 11mm...
    ALSO, not that i am a caliber driven, CFP-holdin', mustache-wantin' guy like ThoughtPolice, BUT - the guy OBVIOUSLY has some insight/opinions concerning the 2A and "Shall Issues CWPs", but he's makes some valid points.

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