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Venator

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taxwhat wrote:
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FRIENDS..... I guess I'll have to work on this. I didn't see Venator post his pic..... must take longer to "dress" his pic up.:cool:
Just took a few seconds to touch up. When you start with near perfection it's easy work.
Damm now my wifes in the MOOD after that seaGull look a like !:dude:
Your welcome!;)
 

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WARCHILD wrote:
Possible, but not probable. Don't let this event discourage the newer people from oc'ing. Things like this happen to me quite often in the last few months. Also, it was "MY" choice to leave, I was not asked to leave, just cover my gun. But keep in mind it can happen to anyone, anytime. Just stay calm and react to the situation however you are most comfortable with.
I don't know the details, but if you were asked to cover up or leave, it's too bad everybody didn't stand up and walk out.

You're a customer too, and you might feel uncomfortable with your firearm covered...
 

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SQLtables wrote:
WARCHILD wrote:
Possible, but not probable. Don't let this event discourage the newer people from oc'ing. Things like this happen to me quite often in the last few months. Also, it was "MY" choice to leave, I was not asked to leave, just cover my gun. But keep in mind it can happen to anyone, anytime. Just stay calm and react to the situation however you are most comfortable with.
I don't know the details, but if you were asked to cover up or leave, it's too bad everybody didn't stand up and walk out.

You're a customer too, and you might feel uncomfortable with your firearm covered...
IMO Now that We had some fun . Lets talk I for one Would have left one hangs we all hang ! Next IMO bad planning for meet if owner not contacted on OC [ private property] .Not enough leg work or preplanning OC needs good educational events think OCers got education on how quick they separated [ cast aside]a fellow member to wolf es .Just my '02 cents
 

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Let's not put it in that perspective, please. Keep in mind.... it was MY choice to leave. Yes, it would have made a huge impact had the entire group got up and left. It had crossed my mind to ask them all if they wanted to relocate somewhere else, but I had another stop to make and would have left in a few minutes anyway. There were a lot of new people there and I am kinda glad they stayed and took the time to get to know each other and enjoy the experience. We all did make light of the whole situation (I made the first crack)... my intent to keep it lighthearted was to not discourage these new members from oc'ing again or hesitate to do so. The only reason I was singled out was, I was a late arrival and hence the two tables were full so we added a table at the end, placing me in the aisle. I was more exposed than the rest of the group sitting together (my big gun had nothing to do with it.:p) The complaining ladies were seated to my left and were in direct line of sight with my gun. They didn't like it and complained. The waitress even set a chair in the line of sight so as to block the ladies view. I told her no thanks, if my gun isn't welcome than neither am I. So I chose to leave and made my point that way.
 

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Let's not put it in that perspective, please. Keep in mind.... it was MY choice to leave. Yes, it would have made a huge impact had the entire group got up and left. It had crossed my mind to ask them all if they wanted to relocate somewhere else, but I had another stop to make and would have left in a few minutes anyway. There were a lot of new people there and I am kinda glad they stayed and took the time to get to know each other and enjoy the experience. We all did make light of the whole situation (I made the first crack)... my intent to keep it lighthearted was to not discourage these new members from oc'ing again or hesitate to do so. The only reason I was singled out was, I was a late arrival and hence the two tables were full so we added a table at the end, placing me in the aisle. I was more exposed than the rest of the group sitting together (my big gun had nothing to do with it.:p) The complaining ladies were seated to my left and were in direct line of sight with my gun. They didn't like it and complained. The waitress even set a chair in the line of sight so as to block the ladies view. I told her no thanks, if my gun isn't welcome than neither am I. So I chose to leave and made my point that way.
IMO Planing per site no host, poor plan if never checked with owner .Public land different and money talks .And if courting new members does not make good thought process no unity .Please remember Monroe owner stuck it out under presser of city chief of police and some minor customer dislikes also Downtown business that where open Welcomed us then and now should any OCer chose to visit .
 

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Warchild wrote... The complaining ladies were seated to my left and were in direct line of sight with my gun. They didn't like it and complained. The waitress even set a chair in the line of sight so as to block the ladies view.

What I find most amuzing is that they were not complaining about having the gun, only that it was showing. You think the complaint would be "hey waitress that guy has a gun, I think he may rob the place", or hey waitress is that guy a cop? :banghead:

Like warchild said to cover it would be an insult, not to mentionillegal,(less'in ya had a cpl)
 

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taxwhat wrote:
WARCHILD wrote:
Let's not put it in that perspective, please. Keep in mind.... it was MY choice to leave. Yes, it would have made a huge impact had the entire group got up and left. It had crossed my mind to ask them all if they wanted to relocate somewhere else, but I had another stop to make and would have left in a few minutes anyway. There were a lot of new people there and I am kinda glad they stayed and took the time to get to know each other and enjoy the experience. We all did make light of the whole situation (I made the first crack)... my intent to keep it lighthearted was to not discourage these new members from oc'ing again or hesitate to do so. The only reason I was singled out was, I was a late arrival and hence the two tables were full so we added a table at the end, placing me in the aisle. I was more exposed than the rest of the group sitting together (my big gun had nothing to do with it.:p) The complaining ladies were seated to my left and were in direct line of sight with my gun. They didn't like it and complained. The waitress even set a chair in the line of sight so as to block the ladies view. I told her no thanks, if my gun isn't welcome than neither am I. So I chose to leave and made my point that way.
IMO Planing per site no host, poor plan if never checked with owner .Public land different and money talks .And if courting new members does not make good thought process no unity .Please remember Monroe owner stuck it out under presser of city chief of police and some minor customer dislikes also Downtown business that where open Welcomed us then and now should any OCer chose to visit .
I don't necessarily think it was poor planning. We shouldn't have to call ahead to make sure we are welcome no more than somebody wearing green lipstick should have to.

Assuming the group as a whole doesn't mind, I like the idea of making a statement with something like this. We should not call ahead, and if they ask somebody to leave, the entire group leaves. I think management might have something to think about at that point.
 

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SQLtables wrote:
taxwhat wrote:
WARCHILD wrote:
Let's not put it in that perspective, please. Keep in mind.... it was MY choice to leave. Yes, it would have made a huge impact had the entire group got up and left. It had crossed my mind to ask them all if they wanted to relocate somewhere else, but I had another stop to make and would have left in a few minutes anyway. There were a lot of new people there and I am kinda glad they stayed and took the time to get to know each other and enjoy the experience. We all did make light of the whole situation (I made the first crack)... my intent to keep it lighthearted was to not discourage these new members from oc'ing again or hesitate to do so. The only reason I was singled out was, I was a late arrival and hence the two tables were full so we added a table at the end, placing me in the aisle. I was more exposed than the rest of the group sitting together (my big gun had nothing to do with it.:p) The complaining ladies were seated to my left and were in direct line of sight with my gun. They didn't like it and complained. The waitress even set a chair in the line of sight so as to block the ladies view. I told her no thanks, if my gun isn't welcome than neither am I. So I chose to leave and made my point that way.
IMO Planing per site no host, poor plan if never checked with owner .Public land different and money talks .And if courting new members does not make good thought process no unity .Please remember Monroe owner stuck it out under presser of city chief of police and some minor customer dislikes also Downtown business that where open Welcomed us then and now should any OCer chose to visit .
I don't necessarily think it was poor planning. We shouldn't have to call ahead to make sure we are welcome no more than somebody wearing green lipstick should have to.

Assuming the group as a whole doesn't mind, I like the idea of making a statement with something like this. We should not call ahead, and if they ask somebody to leave, the entire group leaves. I think management might have something to think about at that point.
Nate hit it on the head. PERFECT!
 

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warlockmatized wrote:
SQLtables wrote:
taxwhat wrote:
WARCHILD wrote:
Let's not put it in that perspective, please. Keep in mind.... it was MY choice to leave. Yes, it would have made a huge impact had the entire group got up and left. It had crossed my mind to ask them all if they wanted to relocate somewhere else, but I had another stop to make and would have left in a few minutes anyway. There were a lot of new people there and I am kinda glad they stayed and took the time to get to know each other and enjoy the experience. We all did make light of the whole situation (I made the first crack)... my intent to keep it lighthearted was to not discourage these new members from oc'ing again or hesitate to do so. The only reason I was singled out was, I was a late arrival and hence the two tables were full so we added a table at the end, placing me in the aisle. I was more exposed than the rest of the group sitting together (my big gun had nothing to do with it.:p) The complaining ladies were seated to my left and were in direct line of sight with my gun. They didn't like it and complained. The waitress even set a chair in the line of sight so as to block the ladies view. I told her no thanks, if my gun isn't welcome than neither am I. So I chose to leave and made my point that way.
IMO Planing per site no host, poor plan if never checked with owner .Public land different and money talks .And if courting new members does not make good thought process no unity .Please remember Monroe owner stuck it out under presser of city chief of police and some minor customer dislikes also Downtown business that where open Welcomed us then and now should any OCer chose to visit .
I don't necessarily think it was poor planning. We shouldn't have to call ahead to make sure we are welcome no more than somebody wearing green lipstick should have to.

Assuming the group as a whole doesn't mind, I like the idea of making a statement with something like this. We should not call ahead, and if they ask somebody to leave, the entire group leaves. I think management might have something to think about at that point.
Nate hit it on the head. PERFECT!
IMO Disagree one is educational event [with speaker or purpose of gaining forward momentum] and new followers .Owner of restaurant made five dollars less gross that day,what was gain for OCers ? Other is educational protest for or against unfairly enforced law [rule ,ordinance] on public area challenging non compliance of second amendment . In public view with or without consequences .
 

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SQLtables wrote:
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I don't necessarily think it was poor planning. We shouldn't have to call ahead to make sure we are welcome no more than somebody wearing green lipstick should have to.

Assuming the group as a whole doesn't mind, I like the idea of making a statement with something like this. We should not call ahead, and if they ask somebody to leave, the entire group leaves. I think management might have something to think about at that point.


I agree, asking permission gets OC nowhere. I can understand whyJerrydecided to leave and not make a scene for the new MOC'ers, but I too agree that the whole group should have left together.

I was not able to be there yesterday due to being sick.Therefore, I'm not aware at whattime during the event Jerry was approachedand decided to leave, but with many other restaurants in the area, the group could have easily went somewhere else. That, IMO, would have sent a message to the Valley workers/owners.

ETA: I hope the new MOC'ers had a good time andhope this issue with Valley does not discourage them to OC in the future.
 

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warlockmatized wrote:
SQLtables wrote:
taxwhat wrote:
WARCHILD wrote:
Let's not put it in that perspective, please. Keep in mind.... it was MY choice to leave. Yes, it would have made a huge impact had the entire group got up and left. It had crossed my mind to ask them all if they wanted to relocate somewhere else, but I had another stop to make and would have left in a few minutes anyway. There were a lot of new people there and I am kinda glad they stayed and took the time to get to know each other and enjoy the experience. We all did make light of the whole situation (I made the first crack)... my intent to keep it lighthearted was to not discourage these new members from oc'ing again or hesitate to do so. The only reason I was singled out was, I was a late arrival and hence the two tables were full so we added a table at the end, placing me in the aisle. I was more exposed than the rest of the group sitting together (my big gun had nothing to do with it. :p)  The complaining ladies were seated to my left and were in direct line of sight with my gun. They didn't like it and complained. The waitress even set a chair in the line of sight so as to block the ladies view. I told her no thanks, if my gun isn't welcome than neither am I. So I chose to leave and made my point that way.
IMO Planing  per site no host , poor plan if never checked with owner .Public land different and money talks .And if courting new members does not make good thought process no unity .Please remember Monroe owner stuck it out under presser of city chief of police and some minor customer dislikes also Downtown business that where open Welcomed us then and now should any OCer chose to visit .
I don't necessarily think it was poor planning.  We shouldn't have to call ahead to make sure we are welcome no more than somebody wearing green lipstick should have to.

Assuming the group as a whole doesn't mind, I like the idea of making a statement with something like this.  We should not call ahead, and if they ask somebody to leave, the entire group leaves.  I think management might have something to think about at that point.
Nate hit it on the head. PERFECT!
+1

I was one of the new members there open-carrying my "cute little Block" (sub-compact Glock .40) as one of the other MOC's so kindly pointed out. :banghead: :p

I agree with the above remark in that we should not have to announce our presence prior to a casual get together for breakfast. This is still a free country, OC is still legal in MI?! Sure life would be easier to call ahead every time and make sure it would be okay, however I thought it was nice to just plain get together with the guys (and gal) for a meal and some good conversation.

Also, I wouldn't have had a problem leaving with Jerry but not one person mentioned it. As Jerry mentioned, it was nearly time to wrap up and leave anyhow, though in retrospect it would have made a bigger statement to leave. Could'a, would'a, should'a...can't do anything about it now but learn from it.

On a positive note, this has not had a negative impact on me regarding OC, only a positive one in the desire to educate. It was great to meet all of you guys, hope we can do it all again soon!

-Getwild2 (Cory)
 

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If Venator had been there it would have been better he has a way with the ladies. :lol:
 

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I was also one of the new guys at the meeting. I had a great time meeting everyone and learning some things I didn't know before. Freak was great to my son and Jerry is a fantastic example of a gentleman when dealing with those who oppose our choice to OC.

To maybe clarify what happened, it wasn't until the meal was over and we were wrapping up that Jerry was asked to leave. All of us left within a few minutes of Jerry being asked to leave. I do agree that a stronger statement would have been for us all to get up and go immediately. Lesson learned.

taxwhat - It would be helpful if you would use some punctuation and proper capitalization and spelling in order to better understand your posts. Your points are taken less seriously because they aren't communicated well, IMO.
 

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"we were wrapping up that Jerry was asked to leave".
Please understand, I was NOT asked to leave. Only to cover my gun. It was MY choice to leave. Granted, them asking me to cover my gun was the same as saying I was not welcome there. So I left and will make it a point to never go back.
 

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WARCHILD wrote:
"we were wrapping up that Jerry was asked to leave".
Please understand, I was NOT asked to leave. Only to cover my gun. It was MY choice to leave. Granted, them asking me to cover my gun was the same as saying I was not welcome there. So I left and will make it a point to never go back.
Close enough. From what I read, you did the right thing. It's important to remember to be polite in situations like that. It is private property, and they have the right to ask you to leave/cover up/stand on your head, and that needs to be respected. It sounds like you set a good example for any new people who were present.
 
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