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    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/17/us/17gun.html

    By MICHAEL FALCONE
    Published: December 16, 2008

    WASHINGTON — Nearly six months after the Supreme Court put an end to the District of Columbia’s decades-old ban on handgun possession, the City Council here passed a sweeping new ordinance on Tuesday to regulate gun ownership.

    The legislation would require all gun owners to receive five hours of safety training and to register their firearms every three years. In addition, they would have to undergo a criminal background check every six years.

    Councilman Phil Mendelson, who helped draft the bill and shepherd it through the Council, called it a “very significant piece of legislation that borrows best practices from other states.”


    Opponents said the legislation flew in the face of the Supreme Court ruling in June.

    “The D.C. Council continues to try to make it harder and harder for law-abiding citizens to access this freedom,” Wayne LaPierre, the executive vice president of the National Rifle Association, told The Associated Press.

    Since the Supreme Court struck down the district’s handgun ban, the Council had stitched together a series of emergency measures to regulate gun ownership. Those included allowing residents to keep handguns in their homes, but only if they were used for self-defense.

    This fall members of Congress sought to pass a bill that would have rolled back some of the temporary restrictions, but it stalled.

    In the landmark case, the Supreme Court ruled 5 to 4 that the Second Amendment protected an individual right to own a gun and overturned the district’s 32-year-old ban.

    At the time, Justice Antonin Scalia, who wrote the majority opinion, acknowledged the problem of handgun violence, but said, “It is not the role of this court to pronounce the Second Amendment extinct.”

    Proponents of the current legislation said it was the strongest move by district officials to toughen Washington’s gun laws since the court ruling. At the Council session, the body’s chairman, Vincent C. Gray, told of how as a child he was almost accidentally shot by his brother.

    Mr. Mendelson said in an interview that he was optimistic that a provision of the new ordinance that required certain handguns to be “microstamped” beginning in 2011 would help in tracking down violent offenders.

    He also said the bill had provisions to make it more difficult for some residents, like those who have a history of violent behavior or have been committed to a mental institution within the last five years, to register to own a gun.

    “A lot of critics of gun registration say that all it does is it restrict law-abiding people,” Mr. Mendelson said. “But the reality is it makes it easier for law enforcement to go after criminals.”

    "Research has shown that a 230 grain lead pellet placed just behind the ear at 850 FPS results in a permanent cure for violent criminal behavior."
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    Can't get in without registering and even if it's free I'm not inclined to register in the NY (Communist Times) give the gist of it plz?
    Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man. Thomas Jefferson

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    Isn't that what is posted?

    Safety is the first act of security theater and the tyrant's tool because no one can be against safety.

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    Doug Huffman wrote:
    Isn't that what is posted?

    Safety is the first act of security theater and the tyrant's tool because no one can be against safety.
    He caught it between when I posted the link and when I posted the text.
    "Research has shown that a 230 grain lead pellet placed just behind the ear at 850 FPS results in a permanent cure for violent criminal behavior."
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    AP also published an article which hit their wire, so it's everywhere.

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    http://opencarry.mywowbb.com/forum16/19649.html


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    "A lot of critics of gun registration say that all it does is it restrict law-abiding people," Mr. Mendelson said. "But the reality is it makes it easier for law enforcement to go after criminals."
    The sad thing is this guy doesn't even realize his statement confirms for the record their belief that all gun owners are criminals.

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    "A lot of critics of gun registration say that all it does is it restrict law-abiding people," Mr. Mendelson said. "But the reality is it makes it easier for law enforcement to go after criminals."
    If this is true, then he should have no problem providing 10 cases where gun registration has been the primary break in a case which led to the arrest of the criminal. I bet that he can't do it.

    Millions of dollars spent, virtually no result.

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    Dick Heller was at the meeting yesterday and put his impressions of it on his web site. Forgive the site's rough-looking appearance as he maintains it himself, and his primary job is security guard, not webmaster!

    http://www.HellerFoundation.org/



    12/16/08
    At today's DC city council meeting, the govt's position changed again. They were very concerned about Constitutional challenges as they implemented safety regulations (a good direction), eliminated the annual ownership certifications, but the ballistics check & future shell-casing micro-stamping are back in today's amendment. Additionally, The legislation still bans magazines that are capable of holding more than 10 rounds of ammunition.

    The above results are labeled as a "Good Balance," (Washington Times 12/17/08) as if Rights are elements of the Constitution that are nogotiable ! It appears the council members do not yet fully understand that their Primary Mission is to protect our Civil Liberties.

    Council quotes:
    The phrases of "DC has the most 'Progressive' gun laws in the country," and "These Individual Freedoms ' have been thrust upon us by the Supreme Court '," were used at today's Council meeting. Obviously, we are NOT making much progress in the spirit & letter of the law on this 2nd Amendment struggle.
    Update, as I just got the word. The following elements of the new regulations aren't being reported in the news:

    - DC residents may not register semi-automatic rifles. DC now has an "AWB" modeled after the 1994 ban, just w/ no sunset clause.
    - DC residents may not register pistols that aren't on California DoJ's list of "certified" pistols.
    - DC residents may not register a pistol manufactured after 01/01/2011 that does not have "microstamping" technology.




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    bcr229 wrote:
    Update, as I just got the word. The following elements of the new regulations aren't being reported in the news:

    - DC residents may not register semi-automatic rifles. DC now has an "AWB" modeled after the 1994 ban, just w/ no sunset clause.
    - DC residents may not register pistols that aren't on California DoJ's list of "certified" pistols.
    - DC residents may not register a pistol manufactured after 01/01/2011 that does not have "microstamping" technology.



    So now they're banning entire classes of weapons, which is the direct opposite of what the decision included.
    This just goes to show that they aren't the least bit concerned with "public safety" and the "lil chil'rens". They are dead set against having an armed citizenry that would have the means to overthrow their little kingdom. Someone get some tar and featherpillows...it's time these so called leaders learned a lesson the old fashioned way...

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    Congress needs to step in and fix this once and for all. It's gotten quite ridiculous.

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    I was born and lived a lot of my life in northern Virginia. Before DC got home rule congress had to vote on everything that got done in the city. After home rule, the city was very sensitive about any infringement on self government.

    So in reality this is in part DC being ticked off about the courts telling them what to do, and part about them having an anti gun agenda. Clearly the registration requirement is designed to make ownership difficult AND expensive. We still do not know what the registration process will cost, but we do know you will pay every three years.

    Bottom line! this will have to fought in the courts until there is sufficient outcry that congress acts to take away DCs ability to legislate in the area of firearms. Preemption is working well to create uniformity in states, why not apply preemption to DC to solve this issue once an for all.

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    Another article. TheDC RKBAbattle isn't over yet!

    http://www.dcexaminer.com/local/1217..._gun_bill.html

    The D.C. Council on Tuesday gave final unanimous approval to a revised handgun registration law.

    The bill requires four hours of classroom training and one hour of range training prior to initial registration. It mandates re-registration of a handgun every three years. And it bars convicted felons, twice-convicted drunken drivers and mentally unstable individuals prone to violence from registering firearms for up to 10 years.

    A provision requiring annual recertification was omitted from the final version.

    “This bill will be, I think, one of the most progressive registration laws in the country,” Councilman Phil Mendelson said.

    Gun rights advocates, meanwhile, promised legal challenges against D.C.’s “onerous” registration requirements.

    “Until the day comes that you can walk into a gun shop in D.C. and buy a gun like everybody else, we’re not going to stop,” said Dane von Breichenruchardt, president of the Bill of Rights Foundation, which backed Dick Heller in his successful U.S. Supreme Court fight against the D.C. handgun ban.


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    bcr229 wrote:
    “This bill will be, I think, one of the most progressive registration laws in the country,” Councilman Phil Mendelson said.
    Progressive now means "progressively infringing or outright restricting your constitutional rights".
    Bob Owens @ Bearing Arms (paraphrased): "These people aren't against violence; they're very much in favor of violence. They're against armed resistance."

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    deepdiver wrote:
    bcr229 wrote:
    “This bill will be, I think, one of the most progressive registration laws in the country,” Councilman Phil Mendelson said.
    Progressive now means "progressively infringing or outright restricting your constitutional rights".
    Referring to this as "progressive" is like calling a product "new and improved" when all that's been done is to change the label on the box.

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    Text of the regulations is at:

    http://www.dccouncil.us/images/00001/20081210115303.pdf

    DC is sooooooooo asking to be sued again!


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    Gordie wrote:
    deepdiver wrote:
    bcr229 wrote:
    “This bill will be, I think, one of the most progressive registration laws in the country,” Councilman Phil Mendelson said.
    Progressive now means "progressively infringing or outright restricting your constitutional rights".
    Referring to this as "progressive" is like calling a product "new and improved" when all that's been done is to change the label on the box.
    Interesting how higher taxes for higher incomes and more restrictions on firearms ownership are always referred to as "Progressive." I suppose this is to avoid the use of a more accurate term such as "Socialist."

    It is all the same big lie.

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