PavePusher
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Reaction for most folks here will be "DUH!".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FuIbujpLWA
Reaction for most folks here will be "DUH!".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FuIbujpLWA
Columbine happened in April 1999. This report aired in November 2008. Knee jerk? In the immortal words of Inigo Montoya, "I do not think that word means what you think it means."PavePusher wrote:
This is part of the knee jerk reaction that came out of Columbine. Probably the only good thing to come out of it.
nitrovic wrote:Columbine happened in April 1999. This report aired in November 2008. Knee jerk? In the immortal words of Inigo Montoya, "I do not think that word means what you think it means."PavePusher wrote:
This is part of the knee jerk reaction that came out of Columbine. Probably the only good thing to come out of it.
They did discuss the change in tactics that came about as a result of Columbine, then they continued with the main point of the story, which is that those tactics are now thought to be insufficient, especially if they have to wait any amount of time for the 3-5 additional people to show up before they can form their diamond formation.
On a very important side note... while looking up the original posting of this video, I ran across this update below. It is well worth the read, and even briefly mentions the Texas Open Carry issue.
Still astounds me that this is "mainstream" reporting...
TFred
(UPDATE 11/21/08 by Anchor/Reporter Brendan Keefe):
We have received many requests about the source for our assertion that most mass murders have occurred in otherwise "gun free" zones.
The experts are Ron Borsch from SEALE Academy in Bedford, Ohio and John Benner from Tactical Defense Institute.
A summary of Borsch's study can be found here.
We also conducted our own analysis of mass murders in the U.S. The vast majority occurred in schools or on college campuses where firearms are banned as a matter of state statutes. Others took place in post offices where firearms are banned as a matter of federal law. Most of the rest took place in shopping malls or other businesses where the owners posted signs prohibiting firearm possession by anyone including those with CCW permits.
In some states, like Ohio, those signs have the force of law and violators are prosecuted under the relevant statute. In other states, like Texas, the signs are considered trespass notices and violators are first asked to leave, then they are arrested for trespass if they decline (of course, if your weapon is visible, it's no longer concealed and there are other potential legal consequences).
Based on data from the SEALE study, an analysis by TDI, and our own painstaking research, we are able to say definitively that most "active killer" shootings have occurred in so-called "gun free" zones. The experts who say they may be "invitations" are also John Benner and Ron Borsch who have six decades of law enforcement experience and training between them.
The Luby's Cafeteria shooting in Killeen, TX in 1991 took place before Texas adopted its Florida-style CCW law. In fact, that mass murder of 23 people was used as an example by those seeking to enact the CCW legislation.
It is accurate to say firearms were banned in Luby's at that time because there was no uniform concealed carry law in place in 1991. In fact, several victims and survivors had legally owned handguns in their cars at the time of the shooting.
While that shooting was not addressed in our story, it and others over the last 40 years were analyzed in our investigation.
As journalists, we are not interested in entering into the heated debate over gun control. We are, however, interested in reporting the facts. In this story, the facts point to the active shooters ignoring gun prohibitions and perhaps selecting those locations because they are "soft targets" where no resistance would be found.
+1Surprise and initial speed beats any response by a tac unit in my opinion
Wouldn't it be great if this were true 100% of the time!(UPDATE 11/21/08 by Anchor/Reporter Brendan Keefe):
As journalists, we areinterested in reporting the facts.
no DUH.....are they just NOW realizing that gun free zones are an invitation to mass murder?
Neither would be able to understand that video--it requires the use of common sense and logic.That video should be required viewing for all public officials and mall owners!
TFred
I also grew up in a era when had respect for life. Alsoour parentswouldn't go to jail for spanking us. The old saying it takes a village to raise a child was alive and well where I grew up you might be a block away from home but if you did something you were not supposed to you got chewed and your parents found out also.I'm sorry, I just have to say it. DUHHHHH! Just now they figure out that gun free zones are invites to idiots looking to cause mayhem? Wow, for once I feel ahead of the curve.
Holy crap! There are some intelligent people out there. In all the years I went to school, ok by that I mean in the years I did my grade school and high school in the normal amount of time, we never had a cop sitting around looking for problems. That's because we had respect for life when I was growing up. If we had an issue with someone, there may have been a fight or so after school hours, but the idea of going POSTAL was never considered.
As far as I am concerned, there are just too many idiots in positions of power who are looking to justify methods of exerting power and control over the common citizen by placing LEOs where they were never needed when even our grandparent's grew up. And I heard stories of moonshine and dynamite being brought to school for after school activities.
And I will say this; if when I was in high school and some punk decided to shoot things up a little he would have been taken down by a bunch of us pissed off farm boys who didn't put up with crap. You'd be suprised how well a book can be flung across the room and how it hurts like hell.
Oh crap, I just gave a reason to outlaw and ban books. Farenheit 451 here we come!
Utterly "inconceivable!"nitrovic wrote:Columbine happened in April 1999. This report aired in November 2008. Knee jerk? In the immortal words of Inigo Montoya, "I do not think that word means what you think it means."PavePusher wrote:
This is part of the knee jerk reaction that came out of Columbine. Probably the only good thing to come out of it.Reaction for most folks here will be "DUH!
Cowards die many times before their deaths;
The valiant never taste of death but once.
Of all the wonders that I yet have heard,
It seems to me most strange that men should fear;
Seeing that death, a necessary end,
Will come when it will come.
Julius Caesar. Act II, Sc. I, Line 32
Shakespeare