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Self defense shooting in Manassas
- Thread starter VAopencarry
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Task Force 16
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Our instructors told us that if we shoot to wound we will probably miss. Aiming for center mast was the best way to stop a threat.
If the OP is true, the shototer may have aim for center mast, but the robbers ducked down and caught the rounds in the head. It's hard to hit a moving target exactly where you want to.
Our instructors told us that if we shoot to wound we will probably miss. Aiming for center mast was the best way to stop a threat.
If the OP is true, the shototer may have aim for center mast, but the robbers ducked down and caught the rounds in the head. It's hard to hit a moving target exactly where you want to.
Hawkflyer
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More often than not an inexperienced person involved in an actual shooting incident will hit the other guys weapon. This happens because people focus their attention on the weapon and they aim where they are looking.
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More often than not an inexperienced person involved in an actual shooting incident will hit the other guys weapon. This happens because people focus their attention on the weapon and they aim where they are looking.
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gotm4
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I agree.
Lots of times cops shoot people in the hands because that's where the cops are looking.
A few years ago I shot in a low light 3gun match. We had IDPA targets with different t-shirts on them and each had a face (copies of police sketches). Many looked similar to others. My enemy was a guy with glasses. I was only supposed to shoot the guy with dark hair and glasses. The shots were to be in the COM and not the head. I shot everyone in the face that had glasses......because that's where I was looking.
We had something similar last month at the Magpul Dynamics Advanced carbine class . We were shown the bad guy, and then had to run from 100yds to them and stop behind a line which put us within 15-20yds and engage the bad guys. Out of 15 targets I had two bad guys. I didn't screw up too much this time but I did shoot one of the bad guys in the body and head.
I agree.
Lots of times cops shoot people in the hands because that's where the cops are looking.
A few years ago I shot in a low light 3gun match. We had IDPA targets with different t-shirts on them and each had a face (copies of police sketches). Many looked similar to others. My enemy was a guy with glasses. I was only supposed to shoot the guy with dark hair and glasses. The shots were to be in the COM and not the head. I shot everyone in the face that had glasses......because that's where I was looking.
We had something similar last month at the Magpul Dynamics Advanced carbine class . We were shown the bad guy, and then had to run from 100yds to them and stop behind a line which put us within 15-20yds and engage the bad guys. Out of 15 targets I had two bad guys. I didn't screw up too much this time but I did shoot one of the bad guys in the body and head.
Task Force 16
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gotm4 wrote:
gotm4 wrote:
If anyone has to draw and shoot at a criminal that is aiming a gun at tehm, what is usually behind the hand that holds the gun? Most of the time it is Center Mast. So it is quite possible to hit the assailants gun hand when shooting for COM, incidentaly.
gotm4
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Task Force 16 wrote:
Task Force 16 wrote:
True. But from the guys I know who've shot people in the hands & arms the assailant wasn't always holding a gun.
Doug Huffman
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Center of MASS
Center of MASS
Tomahawk
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You'd ahoot a guy in the center mast? That's just cruel...
You'd ahoot a guy in the center mast? That's just cruel...
lax
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Stuff can get distorted. On a stormy night, my mom fell from a ladder in the garage. The call went out to the ambulance as "struck by lightning."
Good to hear the guy has the skills to make the shot under pressure.
Stuff can get distorted. On a stormy night, my mom fell from a ladder in the garage. The call went out to the ambulance as "struck by lightning."
Good to hear the guy has the skills to make the shot under pressure.
Hawkflyer
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gotm4 wrote:
It does not have to be a gun. The point is that the shooter is focused on the weapon of the other person. Usually that weapon is held in the hand, unless you have a different technique.
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gotm4 wrote:
It does not have to be a gun. The point is that the shooter is focused on the weapon of the other person. Usually that weapon is held in the hand, unless you have a different technique.
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gotm4
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I'm in total agreement with you. They're shooting the hands because that's what they're focusing on.
I'm in total agreement with you. They're shooting the hands because that's what they're focusing on.
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nitrovic wrote:
Progress - not really. Only the special teams get really good equipment and training - IMHO.
Yata hey
nitrovic wrote:
The old DOC training mandate was "shoot to wound" though long since replaced with "shoot to stop." In the old curriculum, the officers were at least trained to shoot center of mass or head shots = higher scores. Now days, anything in the black scores the same.
Progress - not really. Only the special teams get really good equipment and training - IMHO.
Yata hey
ChinChin
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nitrovic wrote
nitrovic wrote
Dear lord. . .I agree 100% with everything Vic said. I feel so dirty now. :lol: j/k.
ccunning
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nitrovic wrote:
My CHP class was taught by a LEO who strongly emphasized that we should shoot center mass; never ever say you were shooting to kill or you would be brought up on manslaughter or murder charges. "Shoot center mass, you were 'just trying to stop him' "
nitrovic wrote:
My CHP class was taught by a LEO who strongly emphasized that we should shoot center mass; never ever say you were shooting to kill or you would be brought up on manslaughter or murder charges. "Shoot center mass, you were 'just trying to stop him' "
bohdi
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nitrovic wrote:
Does this come with a disclaimer - I am not a lawyer use at your own risk? Thinking and knowing are two different things yes? :lol:
nitrovic wrote:
Does this come with a disclaimer - I am not a lawyer use at your own risk? Thinking and knowing are two different things yes? :lol:
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While it has yet to be proven if this happened or not, I have my doubts.
Am I the only one that thinks engaging multiple target in close proximity with what I would call extremely controlled shot placement(headshots) under stress(fear for life) seems unlikely?
I guess if he is an "operator" or seasoned in similar situations, but that would introduce a whole other set of issues.
What are the odds of pulling that off otherwise?
Just somethings I have been pondering that make this seem a little hard to swallow.
While it has yet to be proven if this happened or not, I have my doubts.
Am I the only one that thinks engaging multiple target in close proximity with what I would call extremely controlled shot placement(headshots) under stress(fear for life) seems unlikely?
I guess if he is an "operator" or seasoned in similar situations, but that would introduce a whole other set of issues.
What are the odds of pulling that off otherwise?
Just somethings I have been pondering that make this seem a little hard to swallow.
bohdi
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With that kind of luck I'd like to start playing the lottery.....I agree with you Thdr. sort of like all those claims about a constitutional convention - with no proof in mainstream media - there is no proof. Sure things get covered up but something like this would be all over the place. No one in Manassas knows about this? Unlikely.
With that kind of luck I'd like to start playing the lottery.....I agree with you Thdr. sort of like all those claims about a constitutional convention - with no proof in mainstream media - there is no proof. Sure things get covered up but something like this would be all over the place. No one in Manassas knows about this? Unlikely.