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TheWarrior

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Michigander wrote:
marshaul wrote:
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I wish you just as much luck in making an escape from Cali. Free America needs more patriots. :)
California needs them more. :p

Indeed it does. And God bless anyone who has the stomach to stay there, much less move there.

Ah, despite all this, I just want to get out. :? I've had just about enough of this place....

Southernboy, thank you kindly! :cool:
 

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You're most welcome.

I spent a year in Southern California one week in 1983 (a little tongue in cheek there). I was in LA on business.. a class in Woodland Hills. We stayed in the, then, Central Plaza Weston hotel in Century City.

LA is definitely a lot different to what I am use to back here in Virginia. It's BIG! Had a chance to roam through the hills and canyons (Coldwater) and along Mullholland Drive. Was even able to dip my feet into the Pacific. Man that water was cold at the end of July!

Just out of curiosity, if you strapped on a handgun and took a walk down the street of your neighborhood (or a business area), what do you think would happen?
 

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Hmm...in my neighborhood, I'd probably get flak from our local security guard (I find our guards troublesome), and I'd probably scare people. I tend to sometimes scare people a little bit anyways...I'm not sure what's so scary. I usually wear black, that's one thing, and then when they get to know me they thing that I want to kill people because I believe people should be allowed to own and carry guns. :banghead:

But after the security guard, I know not...perhaps a call to the police? That'd be an interesting experience....
 

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TheWarrior wrote:
Hmm...in my neighborhood, I'd probably get flak from our local security guard (I find our guards troublesome), and I'd probably scare people. I tend to sometimes scare people a little bit anyways...I'm not sure what's so scary. I usually wear black, that's one thing, and then when they get to know me they thing that I want to kill people because I believe people should be allowed to own and carry guns. :banghead:

But after the security guard, I know not...perhaps a call to the police? That'd be an interesting experience....
Learn all of your local laws first - then buy a good digital recorder.

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Does it get old or what?

The thing that constantly leaves me in utter amazement is the fact that there are people out there who actually believe this nonsense. And worse, are perfectly willing to give up their rights, willing to fight to remove our rights, in order to facilitate this nonsense. Then when it not only doesn't work, but merely exacerbates the problem, instead of admitting their stupidity, they call for more of the same.

Am I missing something here??
 

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SouthernBoy wrote:
Does it get old or what?

The thing that constantly leaves me in utter amazement is the fact that there are people out there who actually believe this nonsense. And worse, are perfectly willing to give up their rights, willing to fight to remove our rights, in order to facilitate this nonsense. Then when it not only doesn't work, but merely exacerbates the problem, instead of admitting their stupidity, they call for more of the same.

Am I missing something here??

The hallmark of insanity is repeating a failed action over and over, while expecting a different outcome each time the action is repeated.

You are not missing anything, you are dealing with crazy people.:banghead:

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Hawkflyer wrote:
SouthernBoy wrote:
Does it get old or what?

The thing that constantly leaves me in utter amazement is the fact that there are people out there who actually believe this nonsense. And worse, are perfectly willing to give up their rights, willing to fight to remove our rights, in order to facilitate this nonsense. Then when it not only doesn't work, but merely exacerbates the problem, instead of admitting their stupidity, they call for more of the same.

Am I missing something here??

The hallmark of insanity is repeating a failed action over and over, while expecting a different outcome each time the action is repeated.

You are not missing anything, you are dealing with crazy people.:banghead:

Regards
I have used this little piece of text a number of times this past year. Very true in this case.

However, the one thing I believe is common across the board with these people. They don't like guns. And they don't want to own them. But it's not enough that they don't like them and don't want them. They don't want us to have them either.

In most cases, we would not try to shove our ideas, concepts, and opinions down their throat. They, on the other hand have no problem doing just that. While we wouldn't dream of forcing them to own and carry guns, they have no compunction trying to remove our rights to do just that.

And perhaps the most outrageous thing about their agenda is this. They are perfectly willing to sacrifice the lives of innocent victims on the alter of their "greater good" than to "stoop to our level" and admit that maybe, just maybe, a gun could have saved the day for someone.
 

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SouthernBoy wrote:
I have used this little piece of text a number of times this past year. Very true in this case.

However, the one thing I believe is common across the board with these people. They don't like guns. And they don't want to own them. But it's not enough that they don't like them and don't want them. They don't want us to have them either.

In most cases, we would not try to shove our ideas, concepts, and opinions down their throat. They, on the other hand have no problem doing just that. While we wouldn't dream of forcing them to own and carry guns, they have no compunction trying to remove our rights to do just that.

And perhaps the most outrageous thing about their agenda is this. They are perfectly willing to sacrifice the lives of innocent victims on the alter of their "greater good" than to "stoop to our level" and admit that maybe, just maybe, a gun could have saved the day for someone.


I think you have to consider the personality types that are involved here. I agree with your assessment that these are people who have no problem ramming their agenda down the throats of others. Last I looked we have one right here on this forum with that same trait.

That is why they do not like firearms. They know that someone might just use a firearm to stop them from forcing their idea of Utopia on the rest of the world.

So in fact their fear is quite real, because while most people here would agree that everyone has a right to their opinion, we all also have a right to oppose the opinions of others. But so long as you have a firearm you have the upper hand in the discussion because you can silence opposition and THAT my friend is what they are afraid of.

If you notice their argument is frequently based on the example of someone becoming angry and attacking people with the firearm. In fact if you push them they will usually admit that that is how they might react if they had a firearm. They do not come by that vision without cause. These are people who frequently irritate others, by forcing their views on people around themand so they provide you the example that scares them the most and the one they think they would actually see in their lives. To them this is a real fear and if you remove the firearm from that scenario, it provides them the safety to do as they please without fear that they might get shot for pushing their ideas on an unwilling person or society.

In the case of the Brady group their vision of being shot for ideas is not far from the truth. Although Brady himself was actually collateral damage in the attempt on President Reagan's life, Brady's wife does not see it that way. She sees all firearms owners as fanatics who can at any moment burst forth in a fit of violence and kill an innocent person. She does not see any possible provocation behind these incidents beyond the ability to carry them out, and it is the firearm that makes it possible.

While I do not wish to seem insensitive, people like her are shameless in their use of anything to reach their goal, including pushing Brady out on the political stage in a wheel chair to silence those who oppose her by shielding herself behind him. Notice how little he is allowed to speak, and when he does how he repeats the same lines over and over. While tragic that is all that is left of Mr Brady, and his wife is using that to its fullest.

We all keep pointing out that knives, ball bats, sticks, cars and lots of other stuff are or can be just as deadly. But that argument falls on deaf ears because what they see is that a firearm allows you to reach out an touch someone from a great distance and do so with anonymity. This is why they fear the Barrett .50 so much. Listen to them and all they talk about is that you can hit a target from over a mile, and the thing shoots through armor plate. Try that with a car, a knife, or a ball bat.

In short, yes they are crazy. But not totally without cause, because they have a fear of being shot for what they are trying to do. Until they can get the guns out of the hands of citizens, the rest of the socialist agenda cannot be enforced.

Just my $0.02 worth.

Regards
 

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Hawkflyer wrote:
SouthernBoy wrote:
I have used this little piece of text a number of times this past year. Very true in this case.

However, the one thing I believe is common across the board with these people. They don't like guns. And they don't want to own them. But it's not enough that they don't like them and don't want them. They don't want us to have them either.

In most cases, we would not try to shove our ideas, concepts, and opinions down their throat. They, on the other hand have no problem doing just that. While we wouldn't dream of forcing them to own and carry guns, they have no compunction trying to remove our rights to do just that.

And perhaps the most outrageous thing about their agenda is this. They are perfectly willing to sacrifice the lives of innocent victims on the alter of their "greater good" than to "stoop to our level" and admit that maybe, just maybe, a gun could have saved the day for someone.


I think you have to consider the personality types that are involved here. I agree with your assessment that these are people who have no problem ramming their agenda down the throats of others. Last I looked we have one right here on this forum with that same trait.

That is why they do not like firearms. They know that someone might just use a firearm to stop them from forcing their idea of Utopia on the rest of the world.

So in fact their fear is quite real, because while most people here would agree that everyone has a right to their opinion, we all also have a right to oppose the opinions of others. But so long as you have a firearm you have the upper hand in the discussion because you can silence opposition and THAT my friend is what they are afraid of.

If you notice their argument is frequently based on the example of someone becoming angry and attacking people with the firearm. In fact if you push them they will usually admit that that is how they might react if they had a firearm. They do not come by that vision without cause. These are people who frequently irritate others, by forcing their views on people around themand so they provide you the example that scares them the most and the one they think they would actually see in their lives. To them this is a real fear and if you remove the firearm from that scenario, it provides them the safety to do as they please without fear that they might get shot for pushing their ideas on an unwilling person or society.

In the case of the Brady group their vision of being shot for ideas is not far from the truth. Although Brady himself was actually collateral damage in the attempt on President Reagan's life, Brady's wife does not see it that way. She sees all firearms owners as fanatics who can at any moment burst forth in a fit of violence and kill an innocent person. She does not see any possible provocation behind these incidents beyond the ability to carry them out, and it is the firearm that makes it possible.

While I do not wish to seem insensitive, people like her are shameless in their use of anything to reach their goal, including pushing Brady out on the political stage in a wheel chair to silence those who oppose her by shielding herself behind him. Notice how little he is allowed to speak, and when he does how he repeats the same lines over and over. While tragic that is all that is left of Mr Brady, and his wife is using that to its fullest.

We all keep pointing out that knives, ball bats, sticks, cars and lots of other stuff are or can be just as deadly. But that argument falls on deaf ears because what they see is that a firearm allows you to reach out an touch someone from a great distance and do so with anonymity. This is why they fear the Barrett .50 so much. Listen to them and all they talk about is that you can hit a target from over a mile, and the thing shoots through armor plate. Try that with a car, a knife, or a ball bat.

In short, yes they are crazy. But not totally without cause, because they have a fear of being shot for what they are trying to do. Until they can get the guns out of the hands of citizens, the rest of the socialist agenda cannot be enforced.

Just my $0.02 worth.

Regards
Hey Hawk.. hope you have been enjoying your Holidays.

With the anti's, and those of that general mindset, it's about the thinkers and the anointed versus the "great unwashed masses" (a term I find rather condescending). They know better and if only we would listen to them then follow them, we would all enjoy peace and comradeship and everyone would get along.

There are the thinkers and planners and then there are the followers of this mighty and all-knowing struggle. We have seen the same thing since the beginning of man's creation of the social order. There are those who would aspire to the top.. to join the ranks of privilege and special knowledge and there are the "useful fools" who will help them get there.

You're right. It is about control. But in this country, it is also about their disdain for everything that is American because as you mentioned, it's what is American that stands in their way to take us all to utopia. They will use our freedoms and our economic power to work their ways and gain footholds into the fabric of the American tapestry.

The Constitution and the Bill of Rights, especially the Second Amendment, stands in their way. Chipping and filing away at these monuments takes time and from time to time, one of them lets the cat out of the bag by announcing their true goals. I know it is frustrating to them because in my youth, I was one of them. Fortunately for me, I grew up. For many of them, the youthful followers, the useful idiots, the truth will never break the shell of their ignorance.
 

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SouthernBoy wrote:
I know it is frustrating to them because in my youth, I was one of them. Fortunately for me, I grew up. For many of them, the youthful followers, the useful idiots, the truth will never break the shell of their ignorance.

Happy New Year to you and your family Sir,

Someone once said to me (I can't remember who right off), "If you are not a liberal when you are young, you have no heart. If you are not a conservative when you are older, you have no brain."

I have taken something from those words by way of explaining the attitudes of my elders as I grew up. I was really quite amazed how my Parents could possibly have been so ignorant when I was 16, and learned so much by the time I was 22.

But I fear that we are facing a truly strident foe. While i see the value that Jefferson saw in education, I also see a very great danger in indoctrination education. Unfortunately our public education system is more about conforming people to the new wave than it is to understanding what this country is really all about.

This dies not depress me, it affirms my resolve to resist.

Regards
 

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Hawkflyer wrote:
But I fear that we are facing a truly strident foe. While i see the value that Jefferson saw in education, I also see a very great danger in indoctrination education. Unfortunately our public education system is more about conforming people to the new wave than it is to understanding what this country is really all about.

This dies not depress me, it affirms my resolve to resist.

Regards

An off-topic point that I often harp on.... It isn't strictly about education, but have you perchance seen the movie Expelled?

Well, most of you all were so much more eloquent than me. Me...I'm not an optimist, I'm not a pessimist. I'm just a realist...which is why I will use a gun.

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