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    by Michael Ferraresi - Dec. 22, 2008 05:21 PM
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    An unexpected Christmas donation from actor David Spade is expected to provide Phoenix police with enough money to buy an additional 50 semi-automatic rifles for patrol officers in 2009.
    The $100,000 gift announced Monday means as many as 300 officers could soon be armed with Bushmaster AR-15s, even in light of recent debates between police and union officials about the availability of the high-powered weapons during the city's ongoing budget strife.
    Advocates said the need to arm more patrol officers with rifles has only grown since union officials proposed in 2006 that officers should be allowed to buy their rifles if the city is unable to provide them. Police leaders met recently on the issue but have yet to expand the self-purchase policy beyond handguns and shotguns. OAS_AD('ArticleFlex_1')
    Spade, a Scottsdale Saguaro High School graduate, provided the money to a non-profit police foundation after seeing a jarring television news report about gun violence. Police leaders said Spade told them he was inspired to help keep the community safe.
    The comic-turned-movie star provided the check to Phoenix Police Chief Jack Harris early Monday but did not appear at the press conference. The Phoenix Police Foundation expects to use the $100,000 on rifles.
    Spade also donated $25,000 last year after the line of duty death of Phoenix Officer Nick Erfle, an incident where tactical officers used an AR-15 to fatally shoot at the man suspected of his slaying, who was holding a hostage at gunpoint.
    "I'm thankful someone like David Spade would remember his hometown and help increase the safety of officers on the street," said Harris, who joined Mayor Phil Gordon and other leaders Monday to accept Spade's check at Desert Horizon Precinct in northeast Phoenix.
    Police SWAT and tactical response officers are most commonly trained to use assault rifles. However, patrol officers are often the first to encounter criminals with heavy weaponry, police say.
    Gordon said Spade's gift was welcome during the difficult economic times, and that it would help the city send a message to criminals, "that our officers shouldn't be the ones they go after."
    More than 120 Phoenix patrol officers currently have access to rifles. More than 100 more have been ordered or could be shifted to patrol from other units.
    Mark Spencer, president for the Phoenix Law Enforcement Association, said more officers who apply to use rifles could be trained in the next six months.


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    At first I read this and I thought "Well, good for him and good for them." I know the drug-running from Mexico is a big problem in AZ. The more and more I think about it, the more I'm conflicted here. I'm wondering how Spade feels about citizens being armed. I'm particularly perturbed at the comment by the Mayor, Gordon, saying that Criminals ought not to go after Policemen. If I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure his position should be that Criminals ought not to go after anyone.


    I'm also wondering why it's gonna cost $100K to buy 50 AR-15's. I need to get into that business LOL.


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    Actor's $100K donation to benefit Phoenix officers

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    by Michael Ferraresi - Dec. 22, 2008 05:21 PM
    The Arizona Republic
    An unexpected Christmas donation from actor David Spade is expected to provide Phoenix police with enough money to buy an additional 50 semi-automatic rifles for patrol officers in 2009.
    The $100,000 gift announced Monday means as many as 300 officers could soon be armed with Bushmaster AR-15s, even in light of recent debates between police and union officials about the availability of the high-powered weapons during the city's ongoing budget strife.
    Advocates said the need to arm more patrol officers with rifles has only grown since union officials proposed in 2006 that officers should be allowed to buy their rifles if the city is unable to provide them. Police leaders met recently on the issue but have yet to expand the self-purchase policy beyond handguns and shotguns. OAS_AD('ArticleFlex_1')
    Spade, a Scottsdale Saguaro High School graduate, provided the money to a non-profit police foundation after seeing a jarring television news report about gun violence. Police leaders said Spade told them he was inspired to help keep the community safe.
    The comic-turned-movie star provided the check to Phoenix Police Chief Jack Harris early Monday but did not appear at the press conference. The Phoenix Police Foundation expects to use the $100,000 on rifles.
    Spade also donated $25,000 last year after the line of duty death of Phoenix Officer Nick Erfle, an incident where tactical officers used an AR-15 to fatally shoot at the man suspected of his slaying, who was holding a hostage at gunpoint.
    "I'm thankful someone like David Spade would remember his hometown and help increase the safety of officers on the street," said Harris, who joined Mayor Phil Gordon and other leaders Monday to accept Spade's check at Desert Horizon Precinct in northeast Phoenix.
    Police SWAT and tactical response officers are most commonly trained to use assault rifles. However, patrol officers are often the first to encounter criminals with heavy weaponry, police say.
    Gordon said Spade's gift was welcome during the difficult economic times, and that it would help the city send a message to criminals, "that our officers shouldn't be the ones they go after."
    More than 120 Phoenix patrol officers currently have access to rifles. More than 100 more have been ordered or could be shifted to patrol from other units.
    Mark Spencer, president for the Phoenix Law Enforcement Association, said more officers who apply to use rifles could be trained in the next six months.


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    At first I read this and I thought "Well, good for him and good for them." I know the drug-running from Mexico is a big problem in AZ. The more and more I think about it, the more I'm conflicted here. I'm wondering how Spade feels about citizens being armed. I'm particularly perturbed at the comment by the Mayor, Gordon, saying that Criminals ought not to go after Policemen. If I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure his position should be that Criminals ought not to go after anyone.


    I'm also wondering why it's gonna cost $100K to buy 50 AR-15's. I need to get into that business LOL.
    I know Phoenix was having issues with a bunch of criminal contact with Ak-47's. The drug runners are really well armed out there.

    I agree, 100K is about twice as much as it should be.

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    Perhaps they intend to use half of the money to train the officers in their use and/or ammunition for the rifles.

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    They could easily spend $1,000+ per officer for training, just in ammo.

    When I was at Ft Benning we had a training cadre tell us it cost the US Army $18,000 per recruit in ammo and ordinance alone during our training in boot camp. That was back around the mid '80s.

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    My already dismal opinion of David Spade has sunk to an all time low, if that's possible.
    Why?

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    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    Last year, the wife and I drove ALL THE WAY TO JOHNSON CITY, TN to visit her daughter at ETSU and attend a Jeff Foxworthy concert. At the last minute, Jeff had cancelled and they brought in David Spade.
    Aside from the fact ETSU's version of "Homeland Security" attempted to frisk me to gain entrance, I found David Spade to be a foul-mouthed, low life person. That entire evening was a waste of both time and money. THEY should have paid ME to sit through this so-called "entertainment."
    Can't disagree with you on the comedy aspect. Foxworthy to Spade, I would want my money back.

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    David Spade should pony up and buy me some weaponry.

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    Me too

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    nitrovic wrote:

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    At first I read this and I thought "Well, good for him and good for them." I know the drug-running from Mexico is a big problem in AZ. The more and more I think about it, the more I'm conflicted here. I'm wondering how Spade feels about citizens being armed. I'm particularly perturbed at the comment by the Mayor, Gordon, saying that Criminals ought not to go after Policemen. If I'm not mistaken, I'm pretty sure his position should be that Criminals ought not to go after anyone.


    I'm also wondering why it's gonna cost $100K to buy 50 AR-15's. I need to get into that business LOL.



    I know Phoenix was having issues with a bunch of criminal contact with Ak-47's. The drug runners are really well armed out there.

    I agree, 100K is about twice as much as it should be.
    Anyone in Arizona who may bear arms if not otherwise prohibited (felons/foreigners, etc) may do so. CWP required to conceal. Open carry is no problem (anywhere usually) The drug cartels are creeping into the state... Major problems in Nogales 'n Agua Prieta... dunno 'bout San Luis. The cartls are sendin' in hit men... Dunno if they've been stiffed or just eliminating competition... but it's happening all over. Phoenix ain't 'on the border' either. I can see Mexico (the mountains) from my veranda to the south.

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    Fully Set up AR15's cost $2,000 a piece.

    2,000 x 50 = 100,000.

    AR15 - 1,000

    Red Dot - MARS- ACOG - most sites like these run $600 to $800

    Then Rail Systems, maybe even some scopes for a few of them.

    I think 100,000 is about right.

    Eitherway, Screw David Spade and the horse he rode in on for doing this.



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    Sorry to say but PD cost on a Bushmaster Ar-15 with Eotech,extra mags,ammo,and case. Is around $950. I know for a fact! prices may have changed as that was the price last summer when I got mine.



    If you realy want to cry you should see what they get the HK 416 for. And then sell the upper as civilans can't have the lowers. And uppers sell for around $5,000.

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    M16a2 wrote:
    Sorry to say but PD cost on a Bushmaster Ar-15 with Eotech,extra mags,ammo,and case. Is around $950. I know for a fact! prices may have changed as that was the price last summer when I got mine.*

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    If you realy want to cry you should see what they get the HK 416 for. And then sell the upper as civilans can't have the lowers. And uppers sell for around $5,000.
    Same prices for us. They are usually around $1200.

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    Eitherway, Screw David Spade and the horse he rode in on for doing this.

    mark edward marchiafava wrote:
    My already dismal opinion of David Spade has sunk to an all time low, if that's possible.

    I don't understand the reason people are mad at David Spade over this. What, are you jealous that he didn't buy one for you? How is this harming anyone? It's his money, let him do what he wants with it.

    Would you rather the police take on drug cartels armed with AK-47s, with their sidearms? If that is your battle plan that you intend to use, all that I can say is "Good luck with that."

    Yes it's true that people from Mexico have been crossing the border and firing on our people, sometimes wearing the uniform of the Mexican Army. I know people that live close to the border and they say it is getting scarier all the time.



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    M16a2 wrote:
    Sorry to say but PD cost on a Bushmaster Ar-15 with Eotech,extra mags,ammo,and case. Is around $950. I know for a fact! prices may have changed as that was the price last summer when I got mine.



    If you realy want to cry you should see what they get the HK 416 for. And then sell the upper as civilans can't have the lowers. And uppers sell for around $5,000.
    Don't forget training and ammo costs. The article says that this will provide for about 300 officers. If you figure $50,000 for the rifles, you get about $167 a pieceper officer for training and ammo. Even if you could get the rifles for $25,000, you would still only be looking at $250per officerfor training and ammo.

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    Interesting to see those who don't live on/near the border badmouthing this 'gift'.

    Point of fact: 'There'sa war goin' on in these parts.' A real one. 'Just 'cause it's under-reported doesn't make it any less deadly. Reality sucks... but there it is.

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    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    Interesting to see those who don't live on/near the border badmouthing this 'gift'.

    Point of fact: 'There'sa war goin' on in these parts.' A real one. 'Just 'cause it's under-reported doesn't make it any less deadly. Reality sucks... but there it is.
    I just figure that some people hate LEO so much that anyone who helps them or approves of anything they doo fall into the same pot. Or ait may be that they are afraid that they police may have as much firepower as they do when they try to arrest them.

    The some people justlove to complain about everything.

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    Sonora Rebel wrote:
    Interesting to see those who don't live on/near the border badmouthing this 'gift'.

    Point of fact: 'There'sa war goin' on in these parts.' A real one. 'Just 'cause it's under-reported doesn't make it any less deadly. Reality sucks... but there it is.
    I don't mind police having enough fire-power to deal with this "war."

    I only object to militarization of police, specifically police having more firepower and other LE-only equipment than the citizenry. On balance-of-power grounds.

    The proper solution would be to give all interested citizens the same fire-power, or at least not prohibit them from obtaining it.

    Let the drug gangs run into asquad of pissed of Texans with full-auto rifles and they'll rethink crossing the border real quick.
    I'll make you an offer: I will argue and fight for all of your rights, if you will do the same for me. That is the only way freedom can work. We have to respect all rights, all the time--and strive to win the rights of the other guy as much as for ourselves.

    If I am equal to another, how can I legitimately govern him without his express individual consent?

    There is no human being on earth I hate so much I would actually vote to inflict government upon him.

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    Therre's no such restrictions on 'Assault type weapons' in Arizona. I own both popular flavors. I could wander around with 'em slung... loaded 'n chambered if I had a mind to. 'Dif'rint mindset here.

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    I don't understand the reason people are mad at David Spade over this. What, are you jealous that he didn't buy one for you? How is this harming anyone? It's his money, let him do what he wants with it.

    Would you rather the police take on drug cartels armed with AK-47s, with their sidearms? If that is your battle plan that you intend to use, all that I can say is "Good luck with that."

    Yes it's true that people from Mexico have been crossing the border and firing on our people, sometimes wearing the uniform of the Mexican Army. I know people that live close to the border and they say it is getting scarier all the time.

    +1

    Like him or hate him (I'm not to fond of him actor/comedian-wise) Spade is a native Arizonian and VERY pro LEO (a rarity in the Hollywood set).

    Those of you who are saying $100K should buy more, you need to remember that that value is not just for a rifle.

    Even if they spent $1000 for an outfitted rifle (50x1000=$50,000), they need several hundred rounds perofficerfor the training/certification.

    That money also might be including training the 300 additional officers in a Patrol Rifle course. That is a 2 day course, which could incur overtime to replace officers in the field while they train.

    Lets try to be grateful that he's giving back to his community, as Sonora Rebel said, there's a war going on in the south of our state.

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    While I don't have any real issue with the police forces in that region packing semi-automatic rifles to combat the illegal border invaders and drug smugglers, I have a serious problem with how it is being conducted. Firstly, it is evident that Arizona or at least that locality has a serious budget problem if they are not prioritizing equiping their police with the necessary tools to do their jobs as safely as possible.

    Secondly, I would have a lot more repect for David Spade if he armed some of the citizenry that lived on the border, orfunded the Minuteman Project for a year or something of that sort. Maybe used his fame and fortune to push for strengthened border security at the federal level.

    If someone is going to make a "donation," I am not understanding making a donation to government, rather than to a charity or a group of fellow citizens. These are not war bonds he is buying. They need to better prioritize their budgetsand not rely on outside financial sources.
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    Interesting to see those who don't live on/near the border badmouthing this 'gift'.*

    Point of fact:* 'There's*a war goin' on in these parts.'* A real one. 'Just 'cause it's under-reported doesn't make it any less deadly. Reality sucks... but there it is.
    I don't mind police having enough fire-power to deal with this "war."

    I only object to militarization of police, specifically police having more firepower and other LE-only equipment than the citizenry.* On balance-of-power grounds.*

    The proper solution would be to give all interested citizens the same fire-power, or at least not prohibit them from obtaining it.

    Let the drug gangs run into a*squad of pissed of Texans with full-auto rifles and they'll rethink crossing the border real quick.
    You can buy the exact same AR15 the police have. Are you talking about Arizona in particular?

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    Let the drug gangs run into asquad of pissed of Texans with full-auto rifles and they'll rethink crossing the border real quick.
    Ha, this kind of remind me of the book I'm currently reading on the origins of the Texas Rangers and their part in the war with Mexico. Seems that a determined, organized, and armed group of Texans is never something to be messed with.

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    Mine has an M-16 upper... pre-ban. Aimpoint, 30 round mags... Delta stock... whatever I want'a do do with it. 'Same for the AK. 'Buy 'em most anywhere. If ya have an AZ CWP... no 'checks'... no waiting.

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    What 'state militia' would that be? You don't like cops... or authority Mark, that's kind'a obvious. You dunno the situation here either. I s'pose you'd advocate 'Vigilante's'... but altho that's a nice idea... 'Can't do that either. Otherwise we'd be doin' it.

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    Flintlock wrote:
    While I don't have any real issue with the police forces in that region packing semi-automatic rifles to combat the illegal border invaders and drug smugglers, I have a serious problem with how it is being conducted. Firstly, it is evident that Arizona or at least that locality has a serious budget problem if they are not prioritizing equiping their police with the necessary tools to do their jobs as safely as possible.

    Secondly, I would have a lot more repect for David Spade if he armed some of the citizenry that lived on the border, orfunded the Minuteman Project for a year or something of that sort. Maybe used his fame and fortune to push for strengthened border security at the federal level.

    If someone is going to make a "donation," I am not understanding making a donation to government, rather than to a charity or a group of fellow citizens. These are not war bonds he is buying. They need to better prioritize their budgetsand not rely on outside financial sources.
    OK, not trying to start any kind of argument here, but is this any different from citizens trying to help better equip our troops overseas who are shortchanged as a result of poor gov't planning and budgeting? All of your points are valid and I agree that more could be done but I don't see a problem with helping the "good guys" on the front lines. They don't do the budgeting, they just live with the consequences.

    Just a thought....

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