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    Hello all,

    As I said in my intro thread, I'm new and am a novice. I own no firearm but that should be remedied soon hopefully.

    I've been thinking lately about the weapons I might like to buy, and something has come up in my head that I'd like to bounce off ofall of you here. Is it a good, or even sensible, idea to purposely use firearms that are common calibers? (I'm also thinking of rifles, etc.) Ones that are easy to get ammo for, easy to get everything for. ...one of my big reasons behind this is--don't laugh--because, as a guy with survivalist tendencies, I'm thinking that if there were any big disaster or anything it would be alot easier to get more ammo if necessary (that is, if I even ran out in the first place) than if I used the obscurities?

    Am I making sense? Again, don't shoot me...I told you I was a total novice.

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    I think the more common the caliber the better. That usually means cheaper ammunition, which means more range time.

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    Just about everyone who carries is always thinking "what could I do if _______ happened.) Yours I personally think about all of the time, as I am survivalist as well.

    The .22 allthough not very powerful, you can pretty much find ANYWHERE.

    The 9mm, .40 cal, .45 cal, and the 357sig are in my opinion some of the most common rounds for handguns.

    The .22 (again) the .223, .270, and the .308 are some of my favorite calibers for rifles. (still prefer my .50 but people call me crazy)



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    Must haves, IMO, are .22 and 12 gauge. From there probably a .357 revolver to be able to shoot .38 and .357. For a semi-auto handgun I'd say its a tossup between .45 and 9mm. Something in 7.62x39 (AK's) is always nice to have around. .223 and .308 would be next on the list, very common calibers and also used by military and police.

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    Brad Cowin wrote:
    Must haves, IMO, are .22 and 12 gauge. From there probably a .357 revolver to be able to shoot .38 and .357. For a semi-auto handgun I'd say its a tossup between .45 and 9mm. Something in 7.62x39 (AK's) is always nice to have around. .223 and .308 would be next on the list, very common calibers and also used by military and police.
    You've got a good list here. I would add the .44 Magnum and the .40S&W as loads to be considered to complete the picture.

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    Is it a good, or even sensible, idea to purposely use firearms that are common calibers? (I'm also thinking of rifles, etc.) Ones that are easy to get ammo for, easy to get everything for. ...one of my big reasons behind this is--don't laugh--because, as a guy with survivalist tendencies, I'm thinking that if there were any big disaster or anything it would be alot easier to get more ammo if necessary (that is, if I even ran out in the first place) than if I used the obscurities?

    Am I making sense? Again, don't shoot me...I told you I was a total novice.
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    I have been an active long-gun hunter for over 30 years, but am inmy first year of owning a pistol. I had some of the same thoughts you expressed in your posting, and actually implemented some of them in selecting my first pistol. I think you make total sense from the point of view you expressed.

    After researching stopping-power, prevailing availability, affordability, etc., I settled on a 9mm pistol. I would not be surprised if someone else might use a basically identical thought process, and select a different caliber. This is just what seemed proper to me for my first pistol.

    I selected a .22 caliber as a second pistol, and have purchased reloading equipment to accommodate my 9mm needs.

    One of the resources I used was Backwoods Home website. I was led to this website when I was searching for articles by Masaad Ayoob. I enjoyed his particular insight, and found several of his articles at Backwoods Home.

    One of their other writers pointed-out that pistols and long guns could be found in both 9mm and .22 calibers. Although this was not my deciding factor, I will remember this tidbit if I ever have any use of it.

    Take your time selecting your first pistol, and have some fun doing it. Oh...and welcome to OCDO, TheWarrior.


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    Thanks guys!

    Okay. So at least I know I'm not crazy. It's just something that occured to me out of nowhere sort of...glad I'm not the only one. :P

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    Next you will be looking to get multiple guns of the same caliber such as a .45LC Pistol AND Rifle!

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    Gator5713 wrote:
    Next you will be looking to get multiple guns of the same caliber such as a .45LC Pistol AND Rifle!
    ...with interchangeable ammo? No...seriously? Am I that much ofa shooting dunce?

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    Gator5713 wrote:
    Next you will be looking to get multiple guns of the same caliber such as a .45LC Pistol AND Rifle!
    I've done it. I havea glock 17 9mm and a Marlin Model9 that shoots the same.

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    TheWarrior wrote:
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    Next you will be looking to get multiple guns of the same caliber such as a .45LC Pistol AND Rifle!
    ...with interchangeable ammo? No...seriously? Am I that much ofa shooting dunce?
    Yes, but that's OK because you are open minded and willing to learn. We all had to start somewhere. I didn't start becoming familiar with guns until I was about 30.

    You can find 9mm ARs fairly easy as well.

    Many of the old lever guns werechambered for the purpose of reducing the demand on what kind of ammo would be required to be carried by someone on the move, like a cowboy. Reproductions are still made.

    Puma is one brand that can be had in .38/.357mag, 44mag, .45LC, .454 Casull, and .480 Ruger, most between $400 and $550.

    There are also pump guns out there. Taurus make a reproduction that can be had in .38/.357mag and .45LC, called the Thunderbolt which you can get for $500 to $650.

    There are tons of pistol caliber carbines outthere fromseveral different manufacturers. Some are no longer in production, but still easy to find if you know what to look for.

    I would advise you to check with the laws in California because some of these hold more than 10 rounds. I am not familiar enough with California laws and their views of what exactly constitutes a high cap assault rifle. Iwould hate for youto get busted for having an illegal lever action assault rifle.:shock:

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    I like to have at least 2 guns for each ammo type. In case one becomes non-functional, I'm not saddled with useless ammo. It's usually more economical than fitting out lots of different and/or "exotic" calibers also.

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    I began my acquisition list with the most common calibers. Unless one has special needs for a certain caliber or type firearm, it makes sense to me to do so. If there ever really is a SHTF situation, ammo availability could be an issue. As to the commonality of the specific firearm, of that I am not so concerned.
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    I really want a 45/70 GOVT lever, but am consigning myself to a 45LC to match the revolver....
    And I need to stock up on 25-06 ammo as that is a less common caliber that I just have a soft spot for....
    As was mentioned: 12ga and .22 are a must, then pick a common caliber pistol (such as .45acp or 9mm) and common caliber rifle (such as .308 or .223) for a decent 'base' collection.
    When you get more into 'matched pairs' for pistol/rifle combos, might I also suggest you look into the FN 5.7 pistol/tactical rifle The pistol comes standard with 2 20rd mags and the rifle holds 50!!! Oh, wait, did someone mention that you are in California? Yeah, check your laws, they are funny over there...

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    Gordie wrote:
    TheWarrior wrote:
    Gator5713 wrote:
    Next you will be looking to get multiple guns of the same caliber such as a .45LC Pistol AND Rifle!
    ...with interchangeable ammo? No...seriously? Am I that much ofa shooting dunce?
    Yes, but that's OK because you are open minded and willing to learn. We all had to start somewhere. I didn't start becoming familiar with guns until I was about 30.
    If we had signatures on this forum, I'd put "I know nothing about guns, but came here to learn, so don't bust me one, k?"

    Well, I guess you're right...gotta start somewhere, right? California is interesting, or at least my area, in that everywhere you go I get friction about my interest in guns. I brought a gun magazine to work, just to read on my breaks, and everyone that saw it said something or other...it was as if I brought a gun itself in there.

    Anyhow, I'm glad to see so many feel the same way I do. And with interchangeable ammunition...ah, even more economical.

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    Ok, I am too lazy to read al the others, so this may already have been posted--

    For price and availabilty, I would choose the following--

    Automatic-- 9mm

    Revolver-- .38spl (although I would buy a .357Mag as it could use both .357Mag and .38spl)

    Rifle-- .223 or 7.62X39

    Also, ALWAYS have a .22lr-- the good thing is that it is cheap and some rifles like my Rossi Model 62 can shoot .22lr/s/l

    Many lever action rifles are also dual caliber-- ie .44Mags can shoot .44spl, .357mags can also shoot .38s-- so your mileage is better on weapons like these.

    9mm is cheap, decent for self/home defense and can be found in carbine length weapons-- ie Hi-Point, Beretta, Ruger, Kel-Tec to get more out of the 9mm. On that subjetc, pick your pistol carfully, and you can get a carbine to not only share ammo, but magazines as well Beretta, Ruger, and Kel Tec do this.

    Me, I tend to get a bunch of calibers, but I stick to 2 or 3 as "mains" and stock up on ammo--

    I have a good supply of .45ACP, 9mm, .380ACP, a, 7.62X39



    FInally I forgot to mention my reference to 9mm is for 9X19 -ie 9mm Luger/Parabellum-- there are a whole slew of 9mm rounds that are more obscure (at least in the US)-- ie 9X18 Makarov, 9x23 Largo, 9X23 Winchester, 9x21 IMI, and even some refer to .380ACP as 9x17 or 9mm Kurtz (short)...

    Research and try out multiple calibers-- Even though I am not big on .357 Sig, and .45 GAP, it has nothing to due with them being a good round-- more so that they are sometimes (always) pricey and harder to find around here. I do like 10mm-- but can't afford a pistol in one right now.

    I would say for the most economical "bang for buck", I would get a 9mm pistol-- probably a Glock or Beretta- -then get a carbine that takes the same mags..a Beretta Storm or a Kelt Tec Sub 2000-- but research and actually handleing and shooting are the only way to find out what is bestfor you--

    Good luck!


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    Is there anyone familiar with the following weapon:

    HI POINT FIREARMS (MKS) Model CF380 Semi Automatic Pistol - Hi Point 8 + 1 Round 380 ACP w/Black Finish


    http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=83295

    Whatever information you can give pertaining to the jam rate, recoil, quality, etc. will be great. Thanks in advance!

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    Smurfologist wrote:
    Is there anyone familiar with the following weapon:

    HI POINT FIREARMS (MKS) Model CF380 Semi Automatic Pistol - Hi Point 8 + 1 Round 380 ACP w/Black Finish


    http://www.ableammo.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=83295

    Whatever information you can give pertaining to the jam rate, recoil, quality, etc. will be great. Thanks in advance!

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    I just wrote an e-mail to my friend who doesn't own any firearms either. he was looking for my two suggestion on a shotgun or rifle.

    So I'll just copy/paste that for you.



    Ok Here are my Two Suggestions;

    For a Rifle;

    Ruger 10/22 Semi-Auto with 10x32 Tasco Scope
    Gun ranked #12 on Field and Streams "50 best Weapons ever Made"
    Price Range - $215 for Stock model, $360 for Target model, or higher for custom work.
    (This gun is COMPLETELY versatile, Lots of Custom work can be done.)

    Ammo - $13 for 550 Rounds

    10 round Mag Capacity or 30 round Banana Mag.

    This rifle is the MOST popular 22 lr. in the nation for the last 40 years. I have personaly put over 10,000 ROUNDS thru mine, and it eats any kind of ammo I put in it. Just last weekend for Christmas we bought all our guns. I haven't touched the scope on myRuger in10 years or so. I put 10 rounds, INSIDE a Quarter sized bullseye at 25 m. There were only TWO holes in the bullseye. All ten rounds went thru those two holes. I've had the gun over 15 years now, and I hear the latest ones are even better, although I can't imagine how. Mine has worked flawlessly. It has had a few FTF, but to be expected after 10,000 rounds. Mine also looks just like the one below, but with the 4x32 Tasco mounted with OVER/UNDER sights.



    Reduced: 86% of original size [ 590 x 300] - Click to view full image



    10/22 Target with Bull Barrel


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    Here is some others with add-on packages;






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    All of these can be purchased like this too. Your best bet is to just buy a Stock Ruger from Walmart, and as you get some cash, start buying accessories. Mine is actually the same as when my Dad gave it to me for Christmas in 92'. Same with my brothers too.

    Now for the Shotgun;

    Remington 870 Express Pump.
    Gun ranked #10 on Field and Streams "50 best Weapons ever Made"
    Price Range - $300 to $350

    I have the 20 Ga. 870, and I've had it also for over 15 years. I've used it in 100 degree Louisiana Hot summers killing doves, and used it in the winter while hunting ducks. I've dropped it in the water MANY times, I've run over it with my three wheeler in the mid 90's. I've had ICE on the ejector and barrel and it still fired. This gun has NEVER failed to fire on me once in the 15 years I've owned it. I'll never hunt with anything else but a Remington.



    The Link to the 50 best weapons ever made - http://www.fieldandstream.com/article_gall...ns-Ever-Made/10

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    tju1973 wrote:
    Ok, I am too lazy to read al the others, so this may already have been posted--
    First... There was some good info in your post, basically looked like a compilation of a number of posts that were already here with some clarification, so no problems with your actual post, however...

    Most of the best threads on this forum go on for multiple pages and can get very cumbersome to read all the way through and therefore good skimming skills are required, on a thread such as this, the posts are for the most part short and very manageable and it is still only one page!
    If you can't manage to get through that, I question your ability for many things that require discipline and thoroughness...
    Keeping yourself informed keeps you from looking like an idiot, and looking like an idiot or repeating the same things that have been posted multiple times on a thread will likely get you flamed, I suggest you get over your laziness and "RATS" (Read All The Screen)!

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    Gator5713 wrote:
    tju1973 wrote:
    Ok, I am too lazy to read al the others, so this may already have been posted--
    First... There was some good info in your post, basically looked like a compilation of a number of posts that were already here with some clarification, so no problems with your actual post, however...

    Most of the best threads on this forum go on for multiple pages and can get very cumbersome to read all the way through and therefore good skimming skills are required, on a thread such as this, the posts are for the most part short and very manageable and it is still only one page!
    If you can't manage to get through that, I question your ability for many things that require discipline and thoroughness...
    Keeping yourself informed keeps you from looking like an idiot, and looking like an idiot or repeating the same things that have been posted multiple times on a thread will likely get you flamed, I suggest you get over your laziness and "RATS" (Read All The Screen)!
    No. I admitted to being too lazy to read it all, but I should have stated that it was my own $.02 on the subject. As they are my opinion I will not change it-- no more than you would change your high horseness-- ObWellBee..

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    For handguns, the most popular are:

    .22LR (CHEAP stuff, something like $15/500, and the cockroaches will probably still be making them after WWIII)

    .380ACP (a common caliber for pocket semi-autos like the Walther PPk and Bersa Thunder)

    .38Sp (a light revolver round, .38s abound and have done so for many decades)

    .357Mag (the .38's big brother; guns that shoot .357 can also fire .38 but not vice-versa)

    9x19mm (the cheapest "defense-caliber" round in the U.S. because it's the main military handgun caliber and also very common in police dept's; it's been around over 100 years andthey'll never stop making it)

    .40 S&W (Another popular law enforcement caliber, it's basically a slightly larger, slightly hotter 9mm)

    .357 Sig (A 9mm bullet in a necked-down .40S&W casing; it's a REALLY hot 9mm. Also popular with LEAs, especially federal agencies like the FBI)

    .45ACP (The grandaddy of American semi-auto rounds. The well-known 1911 military sidearm made this a staple; it's never going away even though few gov't agencies still use it)

    .45 Long Colt (the grandaddy of American revolver rounds; before .38 became popular this was pretty much THE revolver cartridge and it is still popular, though second to .38/.357)

    For rifles:

    .22LR (again; cost and ease of use of a .22 make it a great varminter/plinker round)

    .223 Remington (This is the ammo for the M16 and M249 rifles; a bit wimpy but a staple of hog and 'yote hunters as well as for HD)

    7.62x39mm Soviet (This is the AK round and as such is the most-produced rifle cartridge on the planet. If you want a gun for which you can always find ammo, buy an AK)

    .308 Winchester (the civilian variant of the interchangeable 7.62x51NATO cartridge used in the M14 and M40 rifles, it's an extremely popular deer round)

    .30-30 Winchester (a blunt-nosed bullet designed for the first tube-fed repeaters back in the 1800s, it'sa well-liked deer round with a long history)

    30-06 Springfield (this cartridge saw the U.S. through both World Wars and is a mainstay of big game hunters)

    7.62x54R (Another Russian round, this is the counterpart to the Western 30-06Sp and 7.62NATO. The AK's cartridge is based on it, and before the AK hit the scene it was THE battle rifle cartridge for Mother Russia. Still used in the Dragunov and WWII-eraMosin Nagants)

    None of these are going away anytime soon. If Western civilization falls apart, though, the round I'd expect to beproduced longestthereafter would be the AK's 7.62 Soviet. 9mm Parabellum would be the defensive handgun round I'd expect to still be able to find. Anything currently NATO-standard, plus the 7.62 Soviet round, will be plentiful in the event of a global catastophe.

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    I'll make a list of the mostcommon calibers that are very useful for defense. They're not in order in terms of commonality, but in terms of effectiveness. (based on my own opinion) Yes there are more calibers out there that will do the job, but these are the most common.



    Automatic Pistol (semi-autos):

    .45 ACP (stands for auto colt pistol, not to be confused with .45 LC or 45 Colt, which are older revolver and carbine cartridges with rims on them)

    .40 S&W

    9mm Luger (9x19 Parabellum)

    .22 LR (LR stands for Long Rifle. This is a rimfire cartridge and is very effective but it must have absolutely perfect shot placement to be effective. That's why I put it lower on the list. Note that the .22 LR can be fired in just about every type of firearm: lever actions, bolt actions, semi-auto pistols, semi-auto rifles, revolvers and even pumps. Ammunition for it is extremely inexpensive and it's a great training caliber. I'd recommend getting some .22's in whatever style of rifle or pistol you plan to purchase just for target shooting and plinking fun.

    Revolvers

    .357 Magnum

    .38 Special (or better yet .38 Special +P, which means higher pressure and more energy delivered to the target)

    .22 LR

    Rifles and Carbines

    .30-06 Springfield (tied with the .308 Win although it is capable of shooting heavier projectiles at higher pressures than a .308 can in a bolt action, in a semi-automatic battle rifle it's not advised, thus the "tie" in my opinion. Military surplus ammuntion for the '06 is still relatively inexpensive when compared to the .308)

    .308 Winchester (also known as 7.62 x 51 NATO) (because of modern powders, I'd put it as a tie for first place in terms of effectiveness at stopping threats when fired from a battle rifle. Military surplus ammunition for this caliber is almost impossible to find but it is the second-most common rifle ammunition available at any major sporting goods store.)

    7.62 x 39 (Russian ammo for the SKS style rifles, commonly (but incorrectly) referred to as AK's. This is probably the most common rifle ammunition in the world, but not necessarily this country.)

    .223Remington (also known as 5.56 x 45 NATO) (This is what the AR-15 variants use and also what our own military uses in the M4, M16, and M249. This ammunition is by far the most common to find in sporting goods stores, although the prices have gone up significantly. Surplus is still available for this caliber.)

    .22 LR

    Shotguns

    12 Ga. (Next to the .22 LR this is probably the most commonly available ammunition in our country. I'd suggest #4 or #6 bird shot for home defense. I would not recommend buck&ball, slugs, or any of the different buck shot configurations for home defense. They're too likely to punch through walls, floors and ceilings and injure others nearby. However, the slugs and the heavier buck shot loads are absolutely wonderful for defense in a situation where collateral damage is not an issue.

    20 Ga. (I mention this, because it is out there and every other category of firearm had at least two types of caliber (or gauge in this case) to choose from. It's relatively common, but probably not any more common than .410 boreshotshells are. I'd stick with 12 gauge.)

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    shad0wfax wrote:
    12 Ga. (Next to the .22 LR this is probably the most commonly available ammunition in our country. I'd suggest #4 or #6 bird shot for home defense. I would not recommend buck&ball, slugs, or any of the different buck shot configurations for home defense. They're too likely to punch through walls, floors and ceilings and injure others nearby. However, the slugs and the heavier buck shot loads are absolutely wonderful for defense in a situation where collateral damage is not an issue.
    I am going to have to disagree strongly with your opinion here. A birdshot blastmay be LESS likely to penetrate drywall, but by that same token it will not penetrate to vital organs and therefore is only effective as a psychological/pain incapacitator. In addition, birdshot can have hundreds of pellets designed to create a very large spray pattern. Odds are if you're standing more than a couple of yards from your target, some of those are not going to hit the BG; they will instead hit whatever is behind him.

    A double-aught buck pellet, OTOH is only slightly smaller than a 9mm, and will penetrate to the necessary depth.There are 8 or 9 of them in a standard 2.75" shell; each one with the muzzle energy of a 9mm. Buckshot will do the job; birdshot is for the birds.

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