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    My question is: who owns it and do they have the authority?

    http://www.atatrail.org/about/who.cfm

    Obviusly the Maryland portion of the trail is a no-go, but most of the trail's in PA and the website isn't clear as to who owns it or makes the rules.

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    From the last sentence of the opening paragraph on the page you link to:

    The Great Allegheny Passage is a segment of the Potomac Heritage National Scenic Trail, one of eight nationally designated scenic trails.
    The PHNST is part of the National Park Service/DOI.....ergo, sidearms are a no-go...for now.

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    Phssthpok wrote:
    From the last sentence of the opening paragraph on the page you link to:

    The Great Allegheny Passage is a segment of the Potomac Heritage National Scenic Trail, one of eight nationally designated scenic trails.
    The PHNST is part of the National Park Service/DOI.....ergo, sidearms are a no-go...for now.
    Ah, but after Jan 9th it's a different story, then, long as you have a CHP, I take it.

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    [size=Does the NPS actually have "sovereignty" over this land, or do there merely name it? In the same way a "historical house/land" may have a state designated plate in front of it, but that doesn't mean it's ran by the state...
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    *rolls eyes* The trail is not a National Park.

    You must watch out for wording when you carry a firearm in to a national land. For example, you can carry a firearm, even openly in to a National Forest. National fish & wildlife refuges and BLM land are also legal places to carry if state law permitted.

    I'd contact someone at the manage of the trail. In fact, being a furry... we know drama... I'll contact them when I find the information.

    Also, the system is a connection of trails. I'm curious if some of them don't have any policy.

    No firearms signs have no legal bearing in PA anyway, and do you think an agent or the owner(s) of the trail are going to come down asking you to leave?
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    The Great Allegheny Passage is the name for a series of connected trails that run from Pittsburgh to Cumberland Maryland . . . each section is privately owned and managed by a non-profit trail group.

    The umbrella organization is known as the Allegheny Trail Alliance . . .

    http://www.atatrail.org/

    Since each section is privately owned, I think legally they can make whatever rules they want.

    Where did you see "website says loaded firearms prohibited?" I looked for, and couldn't find that listed anywhere.

    Please post the link, THANKS



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    http://www.atatrail.org/visit/prep.cfm

    I'm curious why the trails are privately owned. Places where I live the trails belong to the city. Odd.
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    Some of the trails in Pittsburgh are owned and managed by the City of Pittsburgh.

    The portion of the Great Allegheny Passage that runs through Ohiopyle State Park is owned/managed by the state (DEP).

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    insane.kangaroo wrote: Thanks for the link . . .

    Rule #11 says "Do not discharge or carry loaded firearms on or near the trail."

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    This is not a thread about your wierd...whatever.

    Back on topic: I still don't quite understand this mish-mash of a trail system. Apparently parts of the trail are owned by different parties? Which would be what, cities, or private organizations?

    I agree that if you're riding a bike through the woods nobody is going to challenge you, but the parts of the trail which pass through towns I wonder. Were I to ride this trail I would likely be carrying concealed anyway (Safepacker), so my concern isn't getting stopped, it's being legal in the event it becomes known that I am carrying.

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    Tomahawk wrote:
    This is not a thread about your wierd...whatever.

    Back on topic: I still don't quite understand this mish-mash of a trail system. Apparently parts of the trail are owned by different parties? Which would be what, cities, or private organizations?

    I agree that if you're riding a bike through the woods nobody is going to challenge you, but the parts of the trail which pass through towns I wonder. Were I to ride this trail I would likely be carrying concealed anyway (Safepacker), so my concern isn't getting stopped, it's being legal in the event it becomes known that I am carrying.
    Yeah sorry, aran reads too much encyclopedia dramatica and likes to troll forums.

    Anyway...

    Yeah, I think it would be nice if they listed if any parts of the trail went through a National Park. I'm not exactly sure myself what parts are really private property, property of the state, and/or property of the federal government.

    If you find out, I'd love to know.

    EDIT: National Park... I keep saying Forest cause it's what I visit here in Alaska :P
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    I travel this trail all the time, and you can be assured that what I already posted is true . . . all of these sections, from Pittsburgh to Cumberland are owned by private non-profits, excepting the state park, Ohiopyle.

    None of it is under federal control until you leave the passage, at Cumberland, and then continue on the C&O Canal National Park.

    Note: If you are concealing, nobody will know, nor challenge you. Probably not the best place to try to open carry though, unless you are looking to test the rules.

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    This is exactly why I jog in the city on public sidewalks in the morning when I'm in Pittsburgh.

    Though I see what you're saying, just conceal carry in a backpack and shouldn't have any issues.
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    Farmer Troy wrote:
    Note: If you are concealing, nobody will know, nor challenge you. Probably not the best place to try to open carry though, unless you are looking to test the rules.
    That's fine, I usually CC using a Safepacker holster while riding, anyway. Like I said, I'm not worried about getting caught. Unless, of course, I get into an accident and the EMTs find the pistol, or worse, I have to draw for some reason. That's why I wonder what the legal issues are.

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    Tomahawk wrote
    Like I said, I'm not worried about getting caught. Unless, of course, I get into an accident and the EMTs find the pistol, or worse, I have to draw for some reason. That's why I wonder what the legal issues are.
    What are the legal implications for drawing down and shooting someone for self defense, in an area that guns are prohibited? I would hope that the law would be on the side of the person defending him/herself, as long as you are following the rules of deadly force, etc.

    Any one know if there are any cases in this area for reference?

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    Don't bet on it, the law won't be on your side if a person has the intent, orattempts to break and enter and sustains an injury while on your property

    obviously the state is prepared to accept the fact that their will be innocent victims while touring or hiking these firearm forbidden zones..

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