SFCRetired
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That said, is it perhaps the perception of a small percentage of police officers that we "civilians" are trespassing on what they perceive as "police prerogatives"?
What does this story have to do with opencarry or gun rights? Or are we just throwing jabs at police officers again? The story is below, it has NOTHING to do with open carrying (which is very misleading in the thread name)
This story is about a man wearing a "police" t-shirt. NOT OPEN CARRYING.
I've been trying to understand why some police officers have such a negative reaction to a citizen legally open carrying a firearm.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that, prior to WWII, open carry was quite common in most areas. After WWII, open carry became a privilege of the police while on duty.
That said, is it perhaps the perception of a small percentage of police officers that we "civilians" are trespassing on what they perceive as "police prerogatives"?
BTW, check out this link:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,474324,00.html
I would never have thought, not in a million years, that wearing a T-shirt with the word "Police" on it would constitute impersonating an officer.
nitrovicI couldn't agree more. It really irritates me, it's like saying everyone in the military are war mongers, when we know that isn't true. Are there bad cops? Sure but what job doesn't have panty wastes. but that doesn't mean everyone is bad. some folks have had bad experiences, I for one have not had any at all. The debate is good though and hopefully those LEO's that read this forum will see that not everyone are cocked and loaded at the smallest infraction of their action and remember that they too are human. Then again there are those here who have had bad experiences and understandably it has tainted them against most LEO's. The quest, at least for me, is to talk about it, debate it and come to a mutual understanding. Getting into the skull of our police is a good excercise to understand what we are up against when it comes to the open carry movement of all statesthat don't have it yet.It just better arms us to have a civil conversation with our local PD about our God given rights, or Darwin given rights if you are so inclined.I'm not doubting you had no ill intentions with this post. I just know from experience that the police haters will come on here and pile on. Happens every time here.
+1 Devils AdvocateFirst off... we all worry about fake cops breaking down our door and not knowing if they are real or not.
Why would we NOT thinkthat wearing such logo apparel would be illegal? Knowing it is permissible for anyonetowear "POLICE" logo apparel is rather scary.
Since when has it become fashionable to wear clothing thatmakes you appear to be the "POLICE" ??? People who are not actually the police and wearsuch ashirt are mall ninjas.
In Virginia, you can wear policelabeled clothingand even a badge that says the same. The impersonation only comes when you actually try to use the position of a police officer to gain something.
So your post about police reaction was fine. But why you needed to post about the POLICE shirt worn by a guy in a bar was pointless.
I suspect the police do not like people pretending to be them. They already have 1% of cops giving them a bad name and now they can increase the number due to citizens that want toplay police while they get drunk in the bar. Nobody knows the guy is not a cop. All they see a man wearing a shirt clearly identifying the wearer as a the POLICE and getting stupid drunk.
From my knowledge theposition of a police officeris very competitive and you are lucky to even get selected to attend the academy. Then you have to attend the academy for 6 months and hope you make it. Then another 3 months with a training officer.
If you make it through all that youearned the right to wear that title "POLICE" on anything you wear. But now you have people who have not done any of it wanting to get credit for something they have not accomplished.
I would be upset if some citizenstarted wearing military medals they were not awarded. But it is actually against the law in Virginia while wearing a POLICE shirt is not!!
Go figure!
The charge was dismissed. As it should have been.I would never have thought, not in a million years, that wearing a T-shirt with the word "Police" on it would constitute impersonating an officer.
I see a group of people who have been stung by or heard abouta bad LEO interaction. TheyWANT to believe that this is how all LEOs arebecauseit is so easy to hate. It comes easy and you do not have to open yourself up to more heart break.nitrovic wrote:nitrovicI couldn't agree more. It really irritates me, it's like saying everyone in the military are war mongers, when we know that isn't true. Are there bad cops? Sure but what job doesn't have panty wastes. but that doesn't mean everyone is bad. some folks have had bad experiences, I for one have not had any at all. The debate is good though and hopefully those LEO's that read this forum will see that not everyone are cocked and loaded at the smallest infraction of their action and remember that they too are human. Then again there are those here who have had bad experiences and understandably it has tainted them against most LEO's. The quest, at least for me, is to talk about it, debate it and come to a mutual understanding. Getting into the skull of our police is a good excercise to understand what we are up against when it comes to the open carry movement of all statesthat don't have it yet.It just better arms us to have a civil conversation with our local PD about our God given rights, or Darwin given rights if you are so inclined.I'm not doubting you had no ill intentions with this post. I just know from experience that the police haters will come on here and pile on. Happens every time here.
These statements are not accurate. Your knowledge is outdated. Departments nationwide are having to lower standards just to attract applicants, the application process is no longer "competitive". 33% of the most recent police academy graduating class in Atlanta, Georgia had criminal records when hired. And allacademies are not 6 months long, depends on the jurisdiction that hires you. And the actual time with a FTO (field training officer) varies. It can be 3 months, 6 months, 1 year, or an extended probation period depending on the rookies performance and evaluations.From my knowledge theposition of a police officeris very competitive and you are lucky to even get selected to attend the academy. Then you have to attend the academy for 6 months and hope you make it. Then another 3 months with a training officer.
Yes, the charge was dismissed. Only because the state code requires something more to occur then display the work "POLICE" on your shirt.SFCRetired wrote:The charge was dismissed. As it should have been.I would never have thought, not in a million years, that wearing a T-shirt with the word "Police" on it would constitute impersonating an officer.
You are a dark cloud on this board and every time you show up you have nothing good to post about anything. You really are disgruntled. How long ago did they let you go?Devils Advocate wrote:
These statements are not accurate. Your knowledge is outdated. Departments nationwide are having to lower standards just to attract applicants, the application process is no longer "competitive". 33% of the most recent police academy graduating class in Atlanta, Georgia had criminal records when hired. And allacademies are not 6 months long, depends on the jurisdiction that hires you. And the actual time with a FTO (field training officer) varies. It can be 3 months, 6 months, 1 year, or an extended probation period depending on the rookies performance and evaluations.From my knowledge theposition of a police officeris very competitive and you are lucky to even get selected to attend the academy. Then you have to attend the academy for 6 months and hope you make it. Then another 3 months with a training officer.
There was a case somewhat similar to this in Alexandria not long ago. But the victim was not a real cop as the media reported. He was a cop for a few years back in the 80s. He went out on disability. At the time of the impersonation he was a janitor in a church. The suspect was a 5'4" hispanic male, 140 pounds, black hair and no mustache. And according to the victim, the suspect was driving a 1997 or older dark blue Crown Victoria. He said he was VERY familiar with Crown Victorias and knew the difference between the 1997 and older models versus the 1998+ models.It is funny when they pull over a real cop who is smart enough to ask for identification.
Thank You! I rest my case.DC was forced to lower the standards or have nobody to work the streets.