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Looks like we Virginian OCers touched a nerve on Democratic Underground
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I caught a line tonight in "Riding with the Devil" where a Southerner(paraphrasing a bit)stated he thought the South was not going to win the war because the Yankees were concerned with how everyone lived, and wanted to change the lives of everyone, whereas Southerners were just concerned with how each other lived, and how facing someone who was so concerned with how others lived they would never give up the fight until they won.
I see the same attitude with those who are against the Second Amendment, they simply can't leave us alone, they are always fighting against our rights.
I caught a line tonight in "Riding with the Devil" where a Southerner(paraphrasing a bit)stated he thought the South was not going to win the war because the Yankees were concerned with how everyone lived, and wanted to change the lives of everyone, whereas Southerners were just concerned with how each other lived, and how facing someone who was so concerned with how others lived they would never give up the fight until they won.
I see the same attitude with those who are against the Second Amendment, they simply can't leave us alone, they are always fighting against our rights.
tripledipper
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Rebfan, an excellent analogy.
Rebfan, an excellent analogy.
marshaul
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I wonder what it feels like to have your beliefs disproved by reality, and subsequently fade into history.
I wonder what it feels like to have your beliefs disproved by reality, and subsequently fade into history.
SouthernBoy
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rebfan wrote:
Another thing is economics. This information is several years old, but I will report it anyway. If the 15 Southern states were considered as a separate country, they would be the third most powerful country in the world, surpassed by the United States as a whole and Japan respectively. As a distinct region, the South is the wealthiest region in America. Once again, this information is perhaps four years old, but I would imagine it is still pretty solid.
Many of the western states share the spirit and attitude of Southerners when it comes to individual freedom and limited government. Makes you wonder what went wrong with the Northeast in particular since that is where the Revolutionary War began. Why have they cast aside those fundamental traits of Americanism? Don't they remember and hold dear Lexington and Concord and Revere's ride? I do.
rebfan wrote:
Interestingly enough, things have changed a whole lot since 1861-1865. The South has the highest firearms ownership percentage of any distinct region in the country (78%). Compare that to the Northeast where it is only around 22%.
Another thing is economics. This information is several years old, but I will report it anyway. If the 15 Southern states were considered as a separate country, they would be the third most powerful country in the world, surpassed by the United States as a whole and Japan respectively. As a distinct region, the South is the wealthiest region in America. Once again, this information is perhaps four years old, but I would imagine it is still pretty solid.
Many of the western states share the spirit and attitude of Southerners when it comes to individual freedom and limited government. Makes you wonder what went wrong with the Northeast in particular since that is where the Revolutionary War began. Why have they cast aside those fundamental traits of Americanism? Don't they remember and hold dear Lexington and Concord and Revere's ride? I do.
TFred
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marshaul wrote:
Nothing generates so much silence as confronting a person with an undeniable truth which is contrary to that person's beliefs.
marshaul wrote:
Here's a good quote that a friend of mine used to use for his e-mail sig:
Nothing generates so much silence as confronting a person with an undeniable truth which is contrary to that person's beliefs.
Sea_Chicken
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Thats true what southern boy said about the west, I'm from Washington and as a whole with the exception of major cities like seattle we have a southern train of thought.
Thats true what southern boy said about the west, I'm from Washington and as a whole with the exception of major cities like seattle we have a southern train of thought.
GWRedDragon
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It's really a rural vs. urban thing. Once people get crammed close enough together in cities they seem to lose all sense of reality, becoming popular culture addicts and thinking that everything everyone does is their business.
It's really a rural vs. urban thing. Once people get crammed close enough together in cities they seem to lose all sense of reality, becoming popular culture addicts and thinking that everything everyone does is their business.
SouthernBoy
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GWRedDragon wrote:
GWRedDragon wrote:
With a few exceptions, I think you're right about that. However, I think the urban and inner city areas attack people who want to be there rather than people going there and then changing. For example, there is no way on earth I would live in Washington, D.C.
mkl
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SouthernBoy wrote:
In 2005 the southern states received more federal tax dollars than they paid in. Virginia receives 1.50$ for every $1 paid in federal taxes. While states in every other region besides the south pay more into the system than they receive.
http://www.nemw.org/taxburd.htm
Here is a list of the Gross State products of the states:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP_(nominal)
SouthernBoy wrote:
In 2005 the southern states received more federal tax dollars than they paid in. Virginia receives 1.50$ for every $1 paid in federal taxes. While states in every other region besides the south pay more into the system than they receive.
http://www.nemw.org/taxburd.htm
Here is a list of the Gross State products of the states:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_GDP_(nominal)
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More people move from the NE and upper Midwest to the South, thenthe other way around. So, I think some of the clash comes whenthe anti-gunners move to areas that support the Second Amendment and set about trying to turn their "new""home" into their old home. I simply do not understand that at all.
More people move from the NE and upper Midwest to the South, thenthe other way around. So, I think some of the clash comes whenthe anti-gunners move to areas that support the Second Amendment and set about trying to turn their "new""home" into their old home. I simply do not understand that at all.
Citizen
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TFred wrote:
TFred wrote:
'Cept when you are confronting the Brady Campaign or Million Mom March.
TFred
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Citizen wrote:
TFred
Citizen wrote:
Yes, they just tend to lie louder.
TFred
Citizen
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TFred wrote:
TFred wrote:
Oh! You've been to one of their meetings, too, I see.
Mayday
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:banghead::banghead:
Oh my God....I almost puked when I read some of the replies; especially from the one degenerate named "iverglas" that cant seem to grasp the idea of debate. I looked through many pages of her replies, I believe her to be mentally deranged or retarded in some way.
In addition, her lack of class and upbringing are evident on just about every post -- all she does it post insults and duck questions. Class act all the way -- not!
:banghead::banghead:
Oh my God....I almost puked when I read some of the replies; especially from the one degenerate named "iverglas" that cant seem to grasp the idea of debate. I looked through many pages of her replies, I believe her to be mentally deranged or retarded in some way.
In addition, her lack of class and upbringing are evident on just about every post -- all she does it post insults and duck questions. Class act all the way -- not!
Neplusultra
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GWRedDragon wrote:
GWRedDragon wrote:
True, if you think of it the psychological effects of living in a large city can make sense. In the small town I live in it would be impolite not to say hi, or at least acknowledge someone when you pass them on the street. That would be impossible to do in NYC for instance. If your neighbor needs help you know him and he's only one person. In a large city their may be huge neighborhoods with tens of thousands that need help so an organized, read governmental, system is not so unreasonable. Although still not best IMO.
Neplusultra
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mkl wrote:
mkl wrote:
Yep, the borrower shall become the slave of the lender. What a price we'd pay to be a truly sovereign state.
marshaul
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I've seen "iverglas" around before. She has a particularly deep hatred for Oleg Volk. Apparently, he is "misogynist trash" or something like that. After some time it came out that really she just hates pornography, finds it offensive as being inherently demeaning to women, and believes Oleg's work to be pornographic.
How someone so illiberal can be considered a "liberal" in modern times is beyond me. However, such authoritarianism is disgusting.
I've seen "iverglas" around before. She has a particularly deep hatred for Oleg Volk. Apparently, he is "misogynist trash" or something like that. After some time it came out that really she just hates pornography, finds it offensive as being inherently demeaning to women, and believes Oleg's work to be pornographic.
How someone so illiberal can be considered a "liberal" in modern times is beyond me. However, such authoritarianism is disgusting.
marshaul
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We should feel fortunate to have for enemies people so utterly shrill and smug. Such abrasive self-satisfaction could damage even a just cause. One so unjust as the prohibition of self-defense will eventually be undermined completely by such attitudes.
We should feel fortunate to have for enemies people so utterly shrill and smug. Such abrasive self-satisfaction could damage even a just cause. One so unjust as the prohibition of self-defense will eventually be undermined completely by such attitudes.